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This week’s very special episode of Dirtcast comes via listener request!

After last week’s Trading Spaces revisit, listener Ana Stebbins wrote in with a suggestion that we were thrilled to take her up on—a deep dive on the new generation of HGTV shows that are rushing to fill the void that Chip and Joanna Gaines—hosts of the recently concluded Fixer Upper—have left behind.

There are many contenders for who will take the throne, but in our episode, we sat down with Kelly Faircloth, Jezebel staff writer, and author of the most delightfully deranged piece about Fixer Upper’s design tics and its sneaky appeal, to talk about the show itself, why we like it, why we hate it, how Madeleine has never even seen it, and whether or not Joanna Gaines and her carpenter, Clint, will ever consummate their forbidden love.

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Thanks to Kelly Faircloth. Our show is produced by Levi Sharpe. Mandana Mofidi is our Executive Director of Audio. Our theme music is by Stuart Wood. This episode was mixed by Jamie Collazzo.