Apparently words can mean anything you want them to now! It’s an interesting tactic—appealing to a woke era’s desire for health and self-care through “wellness” by using trendy language without having to actually practice what you preach. It works the other way, too: by saying something is not “about weight loss,” even though it clearly is about weight loss, Hudson will help people believe WW is not about weight loss. Simple enough.

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She concluded the interview by name-dropping her athleisure brand and unleashed this choice line: “The community of women and active wear are always looking for ‘How do I get started on my health?’ and it’s always, for me, number one, food.”