David Stephan told Tommey said their case is becoming “a parental rights issue for medical choice, for how we need to treat our children.” He added, “And ultimately it comes down to whether we have the right to vaccinate or not vaccinate without being held reliable. Or whether or not we have to rush our children to the doctor every time they even just get the sniffles, in fear that something may just randomly happen and we’re held reliable.”

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David Stephan also denied aspects of their case that have been widely reported; the media reports relied on trial testimony and interviews the couple gave to police. CBC reported that the couple gave Ezekiel “various home remedies, such as water with maple syrup, juice with frozen berries and finally a mixture of apple cider vinegar, horse radish root, hot peppers, mashed onion, garlic.” Stephan said that wasn’t true, suggesting to Tommey that Ezekiel died because the ambulance the couple finally called wasn’t properly equipped:

This isn’t the way the media has played it out to be. They’ve tried to distance us from the average person by trying to say that he [Ezekiel] was too stiff, stiff as a board, to get into his carseat, that he had to be fed somehow through an eyedropper, he was being treated for meningitis with maple syrup and various — that’s not the case at all. We were treating our child with different homeopathic remedies, different herbal remedies like tens of thousands of people do. Nothing out of the ordinary and he wasn’t severely ill. Then everything just came to a crash on an evening, he ended up in an ambulance that didn’t have the right equipment and he subsequently ended up brain-dead.

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Prosecutors said the Stephans failed to seek medical help for Ezekiel until he had stopped breathing.

It’s interesting to contrast this gentle, supportive interview with how people with autism who protested Vaxxed say they were treated at another screening in Kansas City. Jennifer Raff of the science blog Violent Metaphors wrote about her experience seeing the film (she went with her husband Colin, who has written about a cruise for conspiracy theorists that I also attended).

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The protesters with autism objected to the film’s portrayal of autism as a life-ending disorder that inevitably leaves children irreparably “damaged.” The protesters tried to engage Wakefield in a debate; the following day, Raff notes, the Vaxxed Facebook page put up a video mocking them, titled “Protesters stumble over responses when questioned about why they were protesting the film.” On Reddit, one protester wrote that she felt mocked and reviled by the film and its audience:

one of the protesters here - gonna be flat out, this was some of the worst fucking treatment i’ve ever received for being autistic. being straight up fucking mocked for having symptoms of autism and then those who didn’t show symptoms got spoken over

we’ve had people choose to leave because they couldn’t handle all the vitrol the loving and caring parents were throwing at us

the best line from the movie is when that representative said that “unlike other diseases, people with autism don’t drop dead, and take up taxpayer dollars”

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Vaxxed has screenings scheduled in the U.S. and Canada through the end of June.


David and Collet Stephan. Screenshot via YouTube/Reasonable Hank