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BenDeLaCreme’s charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent shines as bright as the top of the Chrysler Building. So naturally, we had to sit her down for a chat.

For fans of Rupaul‚Äôs Drag Race and its cattier spinoff, Rupaul‚Äôs Drag Race All-Stars, watching DeLa throughout the years has been a thrilling journey, culminating with the self-elimination that cracked the faces of almost everyone watching. DeLa‚Äôs All Stars run was legendary‚ÄĒchallenge after challenge, knocked out of the park‚ÄĒuntil it ended abruptly with her own name scrawled in Wite-Out on an elimination lipstick.

Where did Ben get the Wite-Out? What’s it like filming a TV show that demands such high levels of artistry, every single episode? Is lip-syncing for one’s life the high-pressure, high-stress nightmare that it appears to be on television? BenDeLa was remarkably candid with us about the rigors of reality television in this very specific medium.

‚ÄúEverybody‚Äôs totally nuts, you don‚Äôt have any of your normal contacts in the world,‚ÄĚ she said of the way the show is made. ‚ÄúI think a lot of the time when everybody‚Äôs like ‚ÄėThis person acted like this‚Äô...it‚Äôs like, yeah, well we‚Äôre not exactly at our best...We‚Äôre all really trying to navigate a lot of various things that the audience at home doesn‚Äôt necessarily think about.‚ÄĚ

On the curse of reality TV editing and its ability to make a person look good, bad, or just horrid, Ben was pleasingly frank and above all, diplomatic: ‚ÄúWhether we come out looking like an angel or a devil, we‚Äôre all actually just like, whole people, and y‚Äôall probably have a little bit of a devil or an angel inside you, too.‚ÄĚ

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Thanks to BenDeLaCreme. Our show is produced by Levi Sharpe. Mandana Mofidi is our Executive Director of Audio. Our theme music is by Stuart Wood. This episode was mixed by Jamie Collazzo.