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From the campy Glee to the Emmy-sweeping American Crime Story, Ryan Murphy knows how to give us exactly what—and who—we want. Now that he’s signed a multi-year, multi-hundred million dollar deal with Netflix, it’s clear we’ll be watching Sarah Paulson, Kathy Bates, Connie Briton, Jessica Lange, and the rest of the “Ryan Murphy Players” for years to come.

What better time then to look into our love-hate relationship with the man, our hate-hate relationship with Darren Criss, and our love-love relationship with Emma Roberts? To dive into the Murphy canon, Maddie and Megan are joined once again by Murphy connoisseurs Jaye Hunt and Robert Ackerman of the podcast “One More Thing.”

What is the symbiotic relationship between Murphy and his amazing stable of actors? Does he exploit them, or does he enable their sensational performances by giving them a stage? Honestly, do we even care what the plot is if Sarah Paulson is in it? The experts also analyze how Murphy has grown over the years, both in style and in awareness. As Robert puts it: “On one hand he’s my Daddy, and on the other hand he’s my son.”

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This episode was produced by Rachel Withers. Mandana Mofidi is our Executive Director of Audio. Our theme music is by Stuart Wood. This episode was mixed by Jamie Collazzo.