In a new interview with Elle, Zac Efron speaks about how his life has changed since getting sober. “What I found is structure,” he says. “That led me to a balance of opposites: You get out of life what you put in.”

Efron adds:

“There was a moment when my morning routine was, like, Get up and Google yourself. But that stopped, dramatically and instantly, probably three years ago. I realized that viewing yourself through other people’s pictures is not living your own life. I wasn’t really being myself. A lot of my hobbies had gone out the window. I couldn’t skateboard or surf for fear of being followed. Crossing the line of fear is what leads to greatness.”

As for when he crossed that line:

“I was in Hawaii recently, and I went shark diving with some researchers. I came face to face with a shark. I could either turn and try to beat the shark to the boat, or I could look it in the eyes and let it know I’m present and I’m not afraid. It went right past me, and I put my hand out and I actually rode the shark for 10 or 15 seconds.”

I don’t think it was your courage that made that shark not eat you, but I’m proud of you anyway, Zac.

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