The two certainly seemed to be having a good enough time in the unearthed NBC footage. The scene was shot in November 1992, when the lifestyle of the newly divorced Trump was featured on the talk show A Closer Look. NBC reports that the women were “largely cheerleaders for the Buffalo Bills, in town for a game against the Miami Dolphins.” When they weren’t dancing, they were offering “glowing testimonials” about their host, Trump.

News outlets are already having a field day gawking at this morsel of footage, which features largely indecipherable dialogue. But there’s something so banal about this interaction between Trump and Epstein, a familiar scene virtually every woman has seen play out at a party: The men who consider themselves “alpha males” scanning the room, ogling women and rating them on a one-10 scale, complete with crass commentary, crude laughter, and boundless entitlement. Considering the track records of an alleged sexual abuser like Trump—and Epstein, a man who preyed on underage girls for years and mostly got away with it—imagining the way they viewed the women around them isn’t a particularly laborious challenge.