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    Image of DorothyZbornak DorothyZbornak
    12/07/09

    In reply to Legendary Magazine Designer Has Righteous Rage At Today's Glossies
    You can read text on paper or the internet. The thing that sets actual magazines and newspapers apart is the visual layout. A fantastic layout does not transfer to the internet. You can't see it the way you can printed on paper. So, for magazines and newspapers to play down the one last card in their deck is just ridiculous to me.

    I mean, let's be real, most people at newsstands pick up magazines based on the cover photo/art, not the cover lines or articles inside.
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    Image of viklane viklane
    12/07/09

    @DorothyZbornak: Agreed -- if I saw any of those classics styles on the newsstands, I'd probably be intrigued and want to buy it. I'm so absolutely bored by seeing the same concept again and again that I've stopped buying my usual magazines altogether. Well, that and "Cover Lies."
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    Image of DorothyZbornak DorothyZbornak
    12/07/09

    @viklane: Same concepts, same cover models, same cover lines. It never changes. I mean, if I have to see one more Vogue with Keira Knightly on the cover, I'm going to strangle someone. It's all just so boring and unimaginative now.
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    Image of viklane viklane
    12/07/09

    @DorothyZbornak: It's fascinating how people view Anna Wintour as this dominating force in the world of fashion. Maybe that's precisely the problem -- she's all domination and no imagination.
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    Image of DorothyZbornak DorothyZbornak
    12/07/09

    @viklane: Yep. Have you seen "The September Issue?" It was really interesting to see her shooting down really gorgeous, creative things Grace Coddington put together. I think if Grace were calling the shots, Vogue would be a lot better, or at least, more creative.
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    Image of viklane viklane
    12/07/09

    @DorothyZbornak: And that's what I don't get. If you're in a business that is all about change, why do you want your magazine to look exactly the same every single month? It should say something that a woman in the fashion industry has been wearing the same look and the same hair for 20 years. Being able to run a tight ship is nice, but when did this stop being about art?
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    Image of bess marvin, girl detective bess marvin, girl detective
    12/07/09

    @DorothyZbornak: really? grace is just as unimaginative as anna only her ideas cost more money. how many jumping models against gray backgrounds (which are inexplicably set in an expensive environment never featured) can you feature? hundreds apparently and dear old coddington will continue drumming them out.

    also, when you appeal to a large group, innovation is usually a killer. as seen with most artists, when they try to go outside their comfort zone whether it's reese witherspoon doing a smart comedy (i.e. election) or kanye experimenting with auto-tune (i.e. 808s and heartbreak), their sales usually diminish. very few people succeed with providing the public with different things.
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    Image of BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
    12/07/09

    In reply to Legendary Magazine Designer Has Righteous Rage At Today's Glossies
    At this point, I think a few of the ladymags deserve to go out of business. They are nothing but bullshit frankly - sexist, sizeist, racist bullshit. Maybe if a big one goes under, the rest will pull their heads out of their size 0 asses and take stock of what they have become. I don't buy them anymore and haven't for at least a year now.
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    Image of activearchivist is lovely, in a moist, fluffy sort of way activearchivist is lovely, in a moist, fluffy sort of way
    12/07/09

    @BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit): Agreed. This is also why I have a two year subscription to Bust. A lack of sizest, sexist bullshit is awesome.

    I don't think they're particularly racist, but they also aren't any better than the rest of the magazines in featuring diverse models and stories in my recollection. Two out of three at anyrate.
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    BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) promoted this comment activearchivist is lovely, in a moist, fluffy sort of way was starred activearchivist is lovely, in a moist, fluffy sort of way was unstarred
    Image of BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
    12/07/09

    @activearchivist is lovely, in a moist, fluffy sort of way: I only say racist because of the lack of women of color on covers.
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    Image of activearchivist is lovely, in a moist, fluffy sort of way activearchivist is lovely, in a moist, fluffy sort of way
    12/07/09

    @BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit): Bust isn't much better in that respect, unfortunately. But thanks for the clarification!
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    Image of Grim Reaper of the Forest Grim Reaper of the Forest
    12/07/09

    In reply to Legendary Magazine Designer Has Righteous Rage At Today's Glossies
    That blonde paired with Gwyneth Paltrow looks strangely like Paris Hilton.
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    Image of DorothyZbornak DorothyZbornak
    12/07/09

    @Grim Reaper of the Forest: I was just thinking the same thing.
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    Image of soykatrina soykatrina
    12/07/09

    In reply to Legendary Magazine Designer Has Righteous Rage At Today's Glossies
    It's not just the covers. I find the inside spreads to be just as drab, lackluster, and lacking of creativity. But, I'm kind of a design snob. Still, I shouldn't be able to look at things created by professionals and know I could have done better with my basic knowledge of indesign and photoshop and layout design from few undergrad classes taken 4 years ago.
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    hortense promoted this comment Edited by soykatrina at 12/07/09 2:16 PM soykatrina was starred soykatrina was unstarred
    Image of Diziet_Sma Diziet_Sma
    12/07/09

    In reply to Legendary Magazine Designer Has Righteous Rage At Today's Glossies
    He's not taking into account how much the readership has changed. Vogue is now mass-market, not niche, as it was back in the day (despite its high profile), so its visual style is more middle of the road to appeal to the highest number of readers. There are a gazillion niche fashion/art titles that have taken up the baton of visual experimentation, especially on their covers - Pop, Flaunt, Love, V spring to mind, as well as Black Book itself.

    That said, his work is awesome.
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    Image of Irin Irin
    12/07/09

    @Diziet_Sma: Very true. But it's not a long shot to think that Vogue is going to become a more niche product again as the media landscape keeps fragmenting. It's one way to save itself, I'd say.
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    Image of Diziet_Sma Diziet_Sma
    12/07/09

    @Irin: Wouldn't that be great? I'd love it if it rediscovered its edge.
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    Image of cookieman cookieman
    12/07/09

    @Diziet_Sma: Agreed. I have to say that his gripe should be more with Condé Nast for how they turned Vogue into a recognizable brand name that needs to be "protected" and mainstreamed the magazine rather than blame Vogue itself for not maintaining their edge. I'm not even going to get into the editorial leadership and mass market pablum issues, but strictly speaking from a corporate point of view, generic "man in suit" counting advertiser revenues and subscription numbers is going to need a little purple pill if he were to get a load of a Liberman-esque cover or complete content layout. I like risky. Bean counters do not like risky.

    Cookieman as a graphic design professional, worships at the Liberman altar. I have known for a long time I have to find my creative fix outside of the mainstream print media (and even leeching over into museum/gallery) culture.
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    Image of Tchotchke Tchotchke
    12/07/09

    In reply to Legendary Magazine Designer Has Righteous Rage At Today's Glossies
    I think there are still some great magazines, visually-speaking, they just tend to be very expensive ($15-$20) and have a very limited circulation.
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    Image of Trulymadlyme Trulymadlyme
    12/07/09

    In reply to Legendary Magazine Designer Has Righteous Rage At Today's Glossies
    I actually think the problem isn't the visuals--it's the lackluster, boring writing that passes as features or basic journalism these days. You can almost feel the crouch of public relations on content via the innocuous, inoffensive, unthinking celebrity profile that reads like a mad lib.

    When I found out Joan Didion's "On Self Respect" actually originally ran in Vogue , I was shocked. I couldn't imagine something similar being published today absent there being some sort of sell in terms of sex or consumerism or celebrity. That's the problem with magazines. Outside of the generic article about "diseases" or "downtrodden oppressed women in generic third world hell hole (and aren't we lucky to live in America!)" or its journalistic cousin the "oppressed American female who suffers with nobility" or my favorite, the post-modern take on "I hate ___ but I really should love ___ because society says so," they are all just so unthinking, unexamined.
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    Image of Alohamaid Alohamaid
    12/07/09

    @Trulymadlyme: I agree, and the PR teams have taken down most beauty blogs as well when they threatened to take over too much space from magazines. When PR firms began to realize blogs had been key in starting major "lemmings" for certain products they descending with a vengence. Offering bloggers freebies galore, hell Lancome even took some on a free trip to Paris. Now most of the formerly great sites like Blogdorf Goodman or All Laquered Up are little more than thinly veiled industry press releases and uniform glowing reviews of products.
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    Image of Tchotchke Tchotchke
    12/07/09

    @Trulymadlyme: Vogue and Elle do suffer from a lack of true journalism and interesting stories. Far too often, both magazines' print content focuses on topics such as: "Finding the right nanny is hard!" or "Ground-breaking discoveries in the realm of injectable fillers!"

    In small doses, stories about those issues are fine, in my opinion, because they do represent reality for a certain fraction of those magazines' readership. However, almost every issue includes stories about cosmetic procedures, regaining your pre-pregnancy body, and the like. If there was balance, like articles on women's issues or contemporary political debates, I wouldn't be inclined to complain. In short, these magazines are in dire need of balance in all senses of the term, visual and otherwise.
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    Image of Trulymadlyme Trulymadlyme
    12/07/09

    @Alohamaid: The FTC finally stepped in to end that nonsense thankfully. But yes, it's kind of hilarious to see the influence of PR on journalism because of the whole impossible tenet of "objectivity" you hear constantly thrown around.
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    Image of Trulymadlyme Trulymadlyme
    12/07/09

    @Tchotchke: But I also think there's just less thinking. Point blank.

    It's been a long time since I've read a piece of writing that could be (1) described as a feature; (2) contained insight that was somewhat cerebral or fascinating; and (3) and the ideas behind the story didn't try to make me want to have sex with it; buy it; or wear it; eat it; drink it; or simply want to be it.

    I honestly think Jenna's "I Am The Anonymous Model" was probably the closest thing I've seen in years. And that was on this blog. I really doubt that feature, in its present form, would have ever run in a national glossy magazine.
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    Image of Tchotchke Tchotchke
    12/07/09

    @Trulymadlyme: Oh, I agree 100%. One thing that I find particularly painful is the obligatory description paragraph in celebrity features. Every magazine will dedicate an entire paragraph to describing what the subject looks like, what they wore to the interview and what his/her appeal to the opposite sex may be. First of all, those things are usually self-evident and secondly, it strikes me as an obvious attempt to use up space because when you get to the root of it, the people just aren't that interesting.

    Another problem? In the non-celebrity profiles, they blatantly look for a subject who will garner sympathy and look glamourous doing it. Thus, we have Anna Wintour rejecting story ideas because the subject is not photogenic enough for her taste.
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    Image of Trulymadlyme Trulymadlyme
    12/07/09

    @Tchotchke: the root of it, the people just aren't that interesting.

    Exactly. I'd actually kind of find it stunning if I read a celebrity profile that evinces this point. I would love, love to see a celebrity doing an interview about their fashion line be stumped with questions about the mathematics of textile design. I would cackle with joy.
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    Image of badmutha badmutha
    12/07/09

    In reply to Legendary Magazine Designer Has Righteous Rage At Today's Glossies
    Fashion Mags used to be about fashion. And fashion used to be so beautiful and artistic. Now you have to have the botox article, the accessories piece, the interview with the starlet on the front, various spreads about very expensive shit, and little that is wearable or accessible to the reader.
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    Image of funnyface funnyface
    12/07/09

    In reply to Legendary Magazine Designer Has Righteous Rage At Today's Glossies
    I wish we could go back to the days of an arresting image not drowning under tons of teaser text (though I know that would make the maghag posts significantly less fun).
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    Image of likepenguins likepenguins
    12/07/09

    @funnyface: Agreed. I don't actually need to know that, by opening the cover, I'll learn 313 things I previously did not know about Natalie Portman, or read about which jeans work for my figure for the 800th time.

    Just give me a photo that makes me want to buy the magazine, people. It cannot possibly be that difficult.
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    Image of Mary McCarthyite Mary McCarthyite
    12/07/09

    @likepenguins: Here!
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    Image of Pizza!Pizza!Pizza! Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
    12/07/09

    @funnyface: If I told you there were 47 commenters interested in 63 ways to improve 99 percent of magazine covers, would you be interested? No? Maybe it needs more Photoshop.
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    Image of HannahBethD HannahBethD
    12/07/09

    @funnyface: The version of Elle that subscribers get is often very very beautiful. Just a great photo and very sparse text.

    Here's the one with Drew Barrymore

    [2.bp.blogspot.com]
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    Edited by HannahBethD at 12/07/09 2:00 PM HannahBethD was starred HannahBethD was unstarred
    Image of likepenguins likepenguins
    12/07/09

    @Mary McCarthyite: See! how cute is that? And the minimal text about the inside story is worked into the actual artwork!
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    Image of Mary McCarthyite Mary McCarthyite
    12/07/09

    @funnyface: Agreed, and see above to minniebaninnie's comment. I think the yours and hers are related.
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    Image of Lymed Lymed
    12/07/09

    @Mary McCarthyite: I love the red in that cover. Illustrated Vogue covers were incredible.
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    Image of TheFormerJuneBronson TheFormerJuneBronson
    12/07/09

    @Mary McCarthyite: See? That is so fun.
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    Image of PrairieGirl PrairieGirl
    12/07/09

    @funnyface: Yeah, exactly. The cover shouldn't include the table of contents. If Vogue wants me to see what's inside I should have to actually pick it up.

    Of course, I would immediately put it down again once I discovered the absolute dreck that's inside. So a concomitant improvement between the covers would have to happen to get me re-interested in anything Vogue has to say.
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    Image of Diziet_Sma Diziet_Sma
    12/07/09

    @HannahBethD: British Elle has done some nice covers lately.
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    Image of Tippi Hedren Tippi Hedren
    12/02/09

    In reply to Style Tips From Tippi Hedren's Model Life
    It's true, my glamorous lifestyle is a LOT of work.
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    Image of WashingMyHair WashingMyHair
    12/02/09

    @Tippi Hedren: You wear it well!
    P.S. How are the kitties?
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    Edited by WashingMyHair at 12/02/09 3:44 PM WashingMyHair was starred WashingMyHair was unstarred
    Image of MargaretMoony MargaretMoony
    12/02/09

    In reply to Style Tips From Tippi Hedren's Model Life
    Heh, I love the Tampax ad.
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    Image of hello.kitty hello.kitty
    12/02/09

    @MargaretMoony: Yes, that is the most fascinating piece of this story! Somehow I have trouble accepting that prim 50's housewives--who undoubtedly vacuum in high heels--would be, uh 'open' to using tampons!
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    Image of Jenna Jenna
    12/02/09

    @hello.kitty: BUT THEIR 'INTERNAL' PROTECTION IS SO DAINTY AND DISCREET!
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    Image of LucilleMcGillicuddy LucilleMcGillicuddy
    12/02/09

    @MargaretMoony: did you ever read nora ephron's "heartburn"? her parents get rich buying tampax stock. it's a good, quick read.
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    Image of MargaretMoony MargaretMoony
    12/02/09

    @LucilleMcGillicuddy: Nice! When I was younger, I always told my parents I would invest in two things: condoms and tampons because people would ALWAYS need them.
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    Image of hfree hfree
    12/02/09

    In reply to Style Tips From Tippi Hedren's Model Life
    Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm guessing a 1953 size 7 is a size 0 or 2 today, just based on the copy here.
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    Image of Aesop's Foibles. YES. Aesop's Foibles. YES.
    12/02/09

    In reply to Style Tips From Tippi Hedren's Model Life
    I noticed in #3 it says "Tiny size-seven Tippi". I will refrain from making a sizes have changed joke. I just wanted to point that out.
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    Image of curiousgeorgiana curiousgeorgiana
    12/02/09

    In reply to Style Tips From Tippi Hedren's Model Life
    Need the polka dot dress in number 4. Immediately.
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    Image of netfe netfe
    12/02/09

    In reply to Style Tips From Tippi Hedren's Model Life
    i was wondering about the earn extra money add in #5. what do you think it is for, and also - do you think it's too late to apply?
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    Zombie Ms. Skittles promoted this comment netfe was starred netfe was unstarred
    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    12/02/09

    @netfe: I think it was selling magazines door to door.
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    Image of netfe netfe
    12/02/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: but they say from my home when ever it's comfterbale to me! i feel defraud! damn you Cosmo!
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