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    Image of Ginmar Rienne Ginmar Rienne
    09:47 AM

    In reply to Black Barbies: A Question Of Representation
    I guess if you tell white people or men to please not be an asshole and make it all about them it's the same thing as censorship. Good to know. Also, another thing I've learned is that if you post something on the internet, people think they can say whatever they want and do whatever they want. Does anybody else see a problem with that?
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    03:49 AM

    In reply to Is Taylor Swift Being Set Up For A Fall?
    I am 28, and firmly on Team Taylor. The points I'd make in her defense have already been made down thread by far more articulate commenters than I, so I will simply say that, regardless of the EXTENT to which she has sexytimes, I do hope she is getting at least some frequent hugging action from young Mr. Lautner.

    In all seriousness, though, a couple folks have thrown out Dolly as an example of someone who's some kind of feminist icon, and I love me some Dolly, but please, have you ever listened to the lyrics of "Jolene"? And I see some mentions of Alanis, too, but even she released "Head Over Feet" as a single (rather than, say, "Not the Doctor" or "Right Through You"). I don't know, I guess I am sort of wading into the fray here, but I see "Fifteen" and "Fuck and Run" as two sides of the same coin, that coin being, "Wish I hadn't dated/smooched/boned/fallen in love with that dude, since he turned out to be an asshole and now I feel bad about it." In closing,

    LEAVE TAYLOR ALONE!!!1!1!!11!
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    Image of BetteD BetteD
    12/05/09

    In reply to Jersey Shore: "Like a Horror Movie"
    This show is a hot mess, and obviously rife with stereotypes and exploitation, the two genre's in which MTV now specializes.

    But two other elements are at play here--one is scripting, which is rampant in MTV and VH1 "reality" shows, and which I noticed obvious examples of many times during the first two episodes, and the other is the fact that people like this (although not necessarily this exagerrated) DO exist.

    I know this because I grew up in a primarily Italian-American East Coast community, and at least a third of the people I went to High School with self-identified as Guidos/Guidettes/Stellas.

    Maybe it's the bias of having gone to a school where fitting in meant being either WASP-y or Guido, but I don't have that much sympathy for these kids. They are looking for fame and are willing to exagerrate their most foolish and sometimes detestable personality traits in order to obtain it.

    Additionally, most of them have horrible attitudes towards members of both the opposite and their own sex, treat each other callously, and bathe in self-satisfaction.

    I have to admit, I have no shame in laughing at them. I probably should, since I realize on a intellectual level that MTV should be ashamed for promoting this type of attitude in one respect while simulataneously holding it up for ridicule.

    I do hate that these are the images that we choose to spotlight without any accompanying social context. But then I remember that it's fucking MTV.
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    12/05/09

    In reply to Is Taylor Swift Being Set Up For A Fall?
    I love and adore Taylor and I am weirdly protective of her. Also, she's growing up. I am convinced she has a Jagged Little Pill album in her. We just have to wait. I don't see what being mean towards her accomplishes. She's nice! And doesn't dress skanky!
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    12/05/09

    In reply to Is Taylor Swift Being Set Up For A Fall?
    What is it about niceness that offends so many people? Is it envy? Misanthrophy? Paranoia? (I'm lookin' at you, Hess) I have no issue with Swift delivering nice love songs that make numerous listeners feel good. As a music critic, I'm often told that so much supposedly "honest" music is about rage, murderous hatred, depression or explicit lust - and yet, too many artists who deliver those goods are the opposite of their schtick when the step off the stage. Just another phony act. Now if Swift delivers nice love songs simply because that's just she wants to do then fine. I'm not expecting her to jam with Japanese noise artist Merzbow anytime soon or pull a Kathleen Hanna and scrawl "whore" on her belly and scream, "Suck my left one." While I find the instrumentation of her music to be bland and not contributing much to country-pop, it's fruitless to quickly suspect that her princess-fantasy is diabolically phony and must be ruined for society's sake.
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    Image of jenalicious jenalicious
    12/05/09

    In reply to Jersey Shore: "Like a Horror Movie"
    i have to say, ive never met a "guido" that was offended by the term. and ive met many a guido.
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    Image of Jenloveshercurves Jenloveshercurves
    12/05/09

    In reply to Is Taylor Swift Being Set Up For A Fall?
    Maybe we want her to be more adult. I don't like current country music because it's all bland and boring and nothing like Johnny Cash or even Pasty Cline or even Dolly. Are we expecting her to act like an adult when she is a product of her background? A fairly protected girl who writes about love and romance without knowing anything about it because she hasn't been allowed to feel anything but the sanitized version. Even Alanis Morisette who wrote some really amazing songs at Taylor's age was still showing her youth a little because as she aged she realized that love isn't as all encompassing as she felt it to be at 19. As adults, we have to encourage our youth to look at more. I have quite a few students that are doing the whole waiting until marriage thing and I want to be a mom and I say, that's great, but maybe you should give yourself room for reality. I try to let them know that their decision is their decision, but their decision to be a virgin is no more right or wrong than someone else's decision to not be one. I try to give them the wisdom of the few years I have on them while still letting them be age-appropriate. They're all about Taylor's age too.
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    Image of Le Kangourou de Kataroo Le Kangourou de Kataroo
    12/05/09

    In reply to Is Taylor Swift Being Set Up For A Fall?
    I would like to go on record that we should be referencing her as Taylor Swift, country-singer, pop-princess, and aspiring rap star.

    Anyone who makes such an AWESOME video with T-Pain deserves as much. In fact, in the video she MOCKS her nice girl status "I KNIT SWEATERS, YO." in a way that's refreshing and kind of like "I get that I'm not that exciting of a person because I like to knit and bake but that's what I like to do let me wrap about it with T-Pain!" Because I'm 24, and I like to knit and bake.
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    12/05/09

    @Le Kangourou de Kataroo: Everytime I see this video I laugh so hard. Knitters stand up!
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    Image of brendahamLincoln brendahamLincoln
    12/05/09

    In reply to Is Taylor Swift Being Set Up For A Fall?
    My only problem with Swift is that her music is terrible. Keep on rocking those sparkly dresses and being fake-shocked when you win awards live via satellite, Taylor, but I'm gonna listen to L7 in my little corner over here.
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    Image of Copper Copper
    12/05/09

    @brendahamLincoln: Agreed. Her music is not to my taste so I don't listen to her.
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    Image of Justine Justine
    12/05/09

    @brendahamLincoln: Yeah, that. Which in my mind, makes what Kanye did to her even more inconsiderate. Him and Beyonce will be back to various award shows time and time again, year after year. Taylor's time in the sun is limited unless she makes some drastic changes, so she needs to enjoy it while it lasts. Even for a pop star, her music is saccharine, I'm talking shades of Debbie Boone.
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    12/05/09

    @Justine: Wow, I didn't even think of that, but you're right. I'd be surprised if she's not playing county fairs in a few years time. She's super popular now, but I don't see her having the staying power of her "tormentor" or Beyonce.
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    Image of limber limber
    12/05/09

    In reply to Is Taylor Swift Being Set Up For A Fall?
    I'm totally out of step with music culture, I had no idea that she was meant to be a sparkly princess. All I knew was that she wrote one of the Jonas brothers into a breakup anthem, and then twisted the knife with her "Hey Joe, I'm doin' real well, and hosting SNL!" singalogue. Which made me laugh and laugh.

    So if she's meant to be a pure little lamb, I had no idea. Her songs are annoyingly catchy, and I find her (pretty tame) vindictive streak sort of awesome. Who HASN'T wanted to take a jab at their jerk ex-boyfriend/personal Kanye, while smiling sweetly?
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    Image of Bar Belle Bar Belle
    12/05/09

    @limber: I agree I had not really thought of what her public persona was set up to be.

    I've always liked her simply because her songs are exactly like a teenager diary. At 20 going on 21 I'm at an age where I'm not in a teenage world anymore but I wouldn't know it by the teenage behavior this is still prominent in my work and university life.

    When her first songs came out I was her prime target audience. I felt like she gave teenage girls away to be sad that didn't have the so-called emo vibe to it. It was a sparkly happiness that cried in her(my) room when relationships I had bigger dreams for fell to pieces.

    For this reason I'll always support the (current) music she is putting out. And I'm going to enjoy myself at her concert this May :)
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    Image of suck_it_monkeys suck_it_monkeys
    12/05/09

    In reply to Is Taylor Swift Being Set Up For A Fall?
    You know what? I've always had a sort of demure, sweet, old-fashioned manner. It's not affected, it's just my personality. Which means that when people project their inaccurate assumptions and prejudices onto me, they are surprised to find out that I'm smart as a motherfucking whip, with frequently subversive ideas. Just because she isn't fitting strangers' ideas of what a feminist acts and looks like doesn't mean she isn't one, or won't be when she has some age and experience and good reading material under her belt.

    Let her wear cute dresses and write songs about boys, but don't use those things to make guesses about her intelligence or beliefs.
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    Image of fembot111 fembot111
    12/05/09

    @suck_it_monkeys: Oh ho! Thank you, that was exactly what I was trying to say ^

    After all, feminism is a lot about accepting women how they accept themselves.
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    Image of rixatrix rixatrix
    12/05/09

    @suck_it_monkeys: Well said - just because she isn't controversial doesn't mean that she's not smart, feminist, strong, or anything else. In fact, a female musician who can play both sides of the card in regards to femininity/feminism may reach a broader audience than anyone else could. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
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    Image of smizmar smizmar
    12/05/09

    @suck_it_monkeys: Thank you...I'm the same way and frequently misunderstood! There may be a lot the public doesn't know about her.
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    Image of imamouse_duh imamouse_duh
    12/05/09

    @suck_it_monkeys and @fembot111:

    Even though it totally irked me to hear college-age girls belt out "Romeo save me, I've been feelin' so alone," I would have been totally inclined to agree with you because a feminist certainly does not need to be overtly sexual. But then I saw her "15" video, which Sady Doyle discusses in the link hortense listed, and I was swayed Doyle's analysis. The judge-y attitude goes beyond "I'm a cute, doe-eyed romantic" and into the dangerous realm of slut shaming.

    But one song does not a career make, so I guess we'll see what happens when she gets older. Luckily 15 wasn't one of her more popular hits.
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    12/05/09

    @imamouse_duh: Except the girl she sings about is her best friend. And the redhead in the video is actually the best friend. I don't really see the slut shaming. The problem isn't that she lost her virginity, but that the guy she had sex with was an ass. At least, that's how I always read it.
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    12/05/09

    @suck_it_monkeys: rrrmmmm THANKYOUMUCH.

    Let's get together and send her a "THIS IS WHAT A FEMINIST LOOKS LIKE" t-shirt, please?
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    12/05/09

    In reply to Is Taylor Swift Being Set Up For A Fall?
    Sometimes the simplest answer is more than likely the truth; that Taylor Swift is a 19 year old girl with a lot of talent. Yours truly had some pretty ridiculous notions about life, the world, and relationships when I was 19, and I'm definitely not singing the same tune (ha ha, see what I did there) 13 years later. I doubt she will be either.
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    12/05/09

    In reply to Is Taylor Swift Being Set Up For A Fall?
    This may date me, but when I grew up I worshipped Marie Osmond when she was 18. Her and her family were unlike anything I grew up around and I would spend every Friday night watching her and her brothers on their corny variety show. In sharp contrast, girls my age were doing drugs, dressing slutty and getting pregnant at 13, while I lived in an arrested development of pure ignorant bliss.

    Although Marie has had her troubles (two divorces and a very public postpartum depression period), she still remains the sweet, innocent girl I looked up to. If Taylor has the right people around her, she can survive the trappings of Hollywood. I really hope she can.

    Between her goofy appearance on Dancing with Stars and those creepy dolls she sells on QVC, I still love Marie Osmond!
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    Image of Tartan_Tart Tartan_Tart
    12/05/09

    In reply to Is Taylor Swift Being Set Up For A Fall?
    I always forget that she's older than I am. I like her and find her refreshing, and like Sadie, developed a girl crush on her style against my will.

    Part of the reason she seems so likable may have to due with the fact they we're surrounded by the opposite as far as young entertainers go.

    I have to say though, I kind of love Nick Jones (the youngest, I think). He has type 1 Diabetes, and so does my 12 y.o. cousin. She wrote him a letter and got to meet him...she was encouraged and absolutely thrilled.
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    Image of Rare Affinity Rare Affinity
    12/05/09

    In reply to Is Taylor Swift Being Set Up For A Fall?
    I have never seen or heard Taylor Swift perform. I find it odd that her detractors believe that a "wholesome" image can only arise from a cynical ploy to sell more albums. Actually, at Taylor’s age I would have related far more to her than to a Britney or Xtina and I would much rather under age girls followed her style of dressing than that shown by the nine year old sister of Miley recently in Jezebel. As for deriding the lyrics for not being edgy, well that sentiment just about consigns the entire output of western popular music to the rubbish bin.
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