1. These are cases that would be covered in civil court, therefore the parties can agree by contract to arbitrate instead of using the judicial system.
2. There's no criminal aspect that can be prosecuted by the US courts because these actions are taking place in foreign countries so there's no US jurisdiction and no military court jurisdiction (since these are contractors).
@sportz.star: ok, so there's no US jurisdiction and no military court jurisdiction. I hate to ask this question, but is rape not illegal in Iraq? Are Iraqi courts functional at all? Or would that be such a shitshow of failure that its not even worth trying?
@CherriSpryte: Don't know details, but if I had to guess, the political implications of the Iraqi courts bringing actions against American contractors, who are ostensibly there to rebuild their country, are probably a not insignificant part of why there aren't trials in Iraq. Also, depending on the legal system and interpretations of Sharia (sp?) law, there can be very different views on rape than what we may have in the US.
@sportz.star: Most of the difference in arbitration comes down to lack of a jury and lack of an open record - the judges are usually the same people formerly employed by regular courts. The panel judges must approved by both parties prior to initiation of proceedings.
Arbitration can be appealed to a proper court as well, but only for gross procedural errors.
*IANAL - but I asked a litigator friend about this who has very recent experience in arbitration, after decades in court. Also - I am not "pro-arbitration" - just kicking a little info out there.
@CherriSpryte: It's written into the Iraqi constitution that US contractors are not subject to Iraqi law. Which is not surprising, since US contractors probably wrote that constitution.
@somnambulance: So if US contractors are not subject to Iraqi criminal law, and also not subject to US criminal law, does that mean no one can prosecute their employees for crimes?
This is single-handedly the most frustrating/horrible situation ever. The silver lining is that now everyone can see the major flaws of binding arbitration (it's unconstitutional - arbitration is a good idea for petty disputes but not cases like this one). Tracy Barker is truly a hero. To go through something like that and continue fighting no matter how terrible/unjust the situation may be is the definition of heroic.
So it's like racism then. What the culture has pounded home to these people is that the term is bad, not the acts themselves. "I'm a good person. Rape/racism is bad. Therefore I cannot be a rapist/racist, regardless of my factual actions." #rape
I was driving home one night, and I heard this radio show, where a woman called in and talked about how she's refused the advances of her close male friend many times, but then one night she was drunk, he took advantage of her state, and now she doesn't know how to deal.
The male host started cross-examining her, with this skeptical hard edge to his voice that I so often hear men, even feminist men, use when the subject of rape comes up, like "When you say 'took advantage', what exactly do you mean?" I flipped the station, because that sort of thing triggers so many horrible memories for me. After flipping around, I accidentally flipped it back to the station and I heard the female host telling her "Honey, the first thing is to realize that he raped you and it's not your fault"
I still turned the station, because I wanted to cheer up with some music, and I didn't want to hear it if the guy had a counterpoint. I guess my point is, it's good for us to raise one another's consciousness. It helps us deal with the pandemic of rape in the world we live in. But it's not enough when so many men think it's okay, and think it's our problem, or think vigilance against false accusations is equally important. It will never end until men decide to cut it out. #rape
@Hana Maru: I know what you're talking about, but I don't think it is always that the man thinks its the woman's problem. I think a lot of non-rapist guys have a hard time understanging rape and have this irrational fear of being falsely accused. It can be incredibly frustrating and I wish more men understood that when a woman tells you she has been raped you should not be trying to figure out whether or not it is true, you should be trying to support her. #rape
@clevernamehere: I don't think all men are like that, and I don't think it's necessary to always include a "what about the menz! They're/we're not all bad eggs!" caveat. Being skeptical of rape victims, even if they don't name it as rape, is a really prevalent attitude, even among men who identify as progressive or feminist.
Commiserating among women has really been hugely helpful in my healing; I just wanted to point out the limitations of that, and where men, generally speaking, are falling short, because it's to our detriment. #rape
"The other is that one common assumption about date rape or "gray rape" — that it's usually the result of miscommunication and happens when good guys get the wrong idea — appears to be wrong."
People have a fantastic capacity for denial when it comes to their own wrongdoing. If anything, these guys just wonder why they keep getting in these situations, and if the women realized what cool, nice guys they were, they would have wanted to sleep with them anyway. Repeated instances probably just reaffirm their beliefs that women in general are too dumb to realize how awesome they are, and that the best way to get "sex" is to liquor the ladies up and be a little forceful. They will fool themselves into thinking everyone does it.
And other people will agree with them, because women will think in their head that either they'd never put themselves in a situation like that, or that they aren't so "frigid," and men will be scared that the same accusations will be used against them. #rape
@Halfmad also known as MaxAgron: Hee. Bless your heart.
(And even though I'm a sorority girl, I really mean that in the non-sorority rush way. :-) ) #rape
I wonder if 'I've got friends, so I can't be a rapist' could also apply. It makes sense that good looking men with girlfriends could assume that they can't be rapists if they're not hiding out in alleys and waving knives, even if all the evidence is there. Especially if their own friends and occasionally their victims are happy to reinterpret reality for them so they don't have to confront it. #rape
@Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!: I think that's probably very true. They have a very specific idea of what rape is and who a rapist is and it's very "worse case scenario". As you mention, the stranger in the alley with a knife. Anything that is not that is not rape to a lot of people. #rape
This is why having a positive consent standard is so critical. It's opt-in consent, versus the idea that every person is a walking "yes" until they state otherwise.
I'm taking a course on feminism and sexual assault right now, and it seems as though the change in this law has removed the idea of "gray rape" entirely- the argument of implied consent goes out the window, and the court looks for the defendant to have taken "reasonable steps" for consent. Not that the Canadian legal system totally understands everything, yet, but they're getting closer.
I'm using a lot of quotation marks, but they're necessary. Reasonable steps vary on the situation, and Gray Rape is a non-enforcable, not legal term perpetuated by Cosmo in 2007 ([www.cosmopolitan.com]) as part of their rape denial/forgiveness movement.
The more these studies are done, the more we're going to see the prevalence of sexual assault, and maybe work towards a standard where the perpetrators are targeted for their behaviours, versus the current victim-blaming standard #rape
I think part of this is due to the fact that men experience sex, and life, very differently than women do (obviously-and I'm only speaking about hetero sex here. They've been taught that rape is evil and bad and damaging, and they believe that. But, when they use coercive means to get sex, or even physically overpower a woman, if they haven't done any physical damage they can brush it off as not that big of a deal because to them it was something that lasted a few minutes and it's over and whatever, it was just sex, you're not hurt, where's the big problem? It's easy for them to think this way because they have no idea what it's like to have no control over your own body, no way of forcing someone to take you seriously, or living with the knowledge that 50% of the population can over power you (as a fairly small woman, I'm used to even children being able to take me- I was once picked up and moved by a 12 year old who didn't like me telling him to do his homework- it's pretty humiliating).
Men really need to be made more aware of the implications and effects of these things on the victim and be taught to recognize their privelleged position in society. I wish I had a good idea on how to make that happen, but I don't. I have yet to meet a male that really gets it, even the more aware ones among them #rape
@colormeroutine: The fact that they really have no idea what it's like to have no control over your body - is the exact reason why I feel they have no right to deny ME reproductive choices. #rape
@derek: I was talking about why they are unwilling to use the word "rape" but have no problem admitting to having done it if you don't use the exact word, not saying ALL men are evil rapists. Of course they aren't. But even the ones who aren't don't get the full scope of the problem, which helps make it ok for the 6% who are. And I'm sorry, but 6% is 6% too many, and, given the number of people in the world, turns into a pretty damn large number #rape
@derek: Small minority? So are you going to tell the 196+ women they raped that it's not really a problem, because it's such a small minority, or should I? I think you're missing the point of both her post and the study.
And by the by, the point of the study was not "Hey look at this tiny percentage! See, most men don't rape women. Rad!" but that these men, unwittingly or otherwise, have raped women and felt that it was perfectly fine to have sex with a woman who was too drunk to know what she was doing or to coerce a woman into a sexual act "by force or threat of force."
Only a small percent of high school kids bring guns to school and shoot their teachers and peers. I don't care that it was a small minority. It still happened.
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@Lady Saira, Vere de Vere: Calm down; you're being ridiculous. No one said anything about this not being "really a problem" and that's just an absurd interpretation of what I wrote. And I think the point of the study (well, actually more of a bl0g-post analyzing two studies) was that the guys were "witting," no?
@colormeroutine: Well, yeah. Obviously. I thought that went without saying, but yes, I agree. #rape
@colormeroutine: It's the no-control-over-your-body thing that makes it truly terrifying. My boyfriend often pins me down and tickles me until I'm practically kneeing him in the gonads to get him off. I'm completely powerless against him because he is much stronger than me. When I try and do the same thing to him, he can very easily toss me off. Even if I'm really using every ounce of strength I have, even if I'm struggling so much that I'm afraid I might hurt him. We're just no match.
Luckily I know he'd never use his powers for evil, but he has no idea what it's like to be at the mercy of someone like that.
I'm not sure how much he gets it, I have (many times) tried to explain the difference between his position as a man and mine as a woman, but there's no way for him to really get it.
He probably hasn't been overpowered by anyone since he was a child playfighting with his dad. And he certainly never worries about it happening again. #rape
@derek: See, you're proving my point right now. It does NOT "go without saying". That's exactly like these guys who admitting to having coerced women into sex saying "well it goes without saying that I haven't raped anyone, rape is terrible. but oh yeah, I've banged an unconcious chick"
When we let it "go without saying" what we're really doing is downplaying it #rape
@SleeplessNights: Beats me. I was just objecting to the gross generalizations about "men," as in "men" can just "brush it off" when they "use coercive means to get sex." This may be true of 6% of the population. #rape
@colormeroutine: I'm going to out myself as being ignorant here, but I am confused about "coercive" rape. My interpretation of this is the 'guy wants to have sex, girl doesn't, guy whines and pulls the if-you-love-me-you'll-do-it line, girl gives in' scenario. Is that considered rape? I honestly have never thought of that as rape, just as one part of the age-old male-female dynamic. I know that's happened to me, to my friends. Sometimes I've said yes just because the guy was annoying me because he kept trying and I just wanted it all over with. But I never felt raped afterwards, just kind of like, meh. Is that rape too? #rape
@TrilbyO: I'm hesitant to define rape for anyone else because if you didn't feel raped, it's certainly not my business to tell you otherwise. But I was referring to the types of coercion specifically discussed in the questions in the article- threats of physical violence, use of alcohol, ect #rape
@colormeroutine: I guess I just think of coercion and force as different things. Like, coercion is kind of "seducing" or "convincing", verbal stuff mainly. Force is holding someone down or twisting their arm, etc., as in the questions for the survey. Are they using coercion and force interchangeably? I'm very confused about the terminology. And I have actually had this question for some time now when the rape discussions happen (I had to redo my commenter account b/c the new system somehow erased me, I'm not as new as I look on my profile). People will say, "coercion is rape", "drunken sex is rape", and I'm always like "what?" Because I have been drunk and had sex, and been convinced to have sex after initially saying no, and I never thought of it as rape. But reading Jez the last 2 years, now I'm wondering if I have in fact been raped. Many times.
Sorry for rambling off all my questions and ponderings. #rape
@derek: I'm sorry if my being upset about this issue comes off as ridiculous, but, as a woman and thus much more likely to be raped, my opinions on this are not delicate.
And yes, the point of Jezebel's coverage of the studies was whether or not the rapists were unwitting or not (yes, unwitting is a word, no, "witting" is not), but, from what I gathered at least, the studies themselves were about what I said they were about in my last post.
@TrilbyO: Force is a type of coercion, not all coercion is forceful. And I get what you're saying. Sex has grey areas. It just does. The problem is, if you tell a young boy "well, sometimes a girl will be really drunk and not mind that you had sex" or "sometimes a girl will say she doesn't want to have sex with you and then change her mind" you're leaving far too much room for error. It's much better to say "never have sex with a girl who is drunk" because what's the worst that happens? They miss out on getting laid one time? And it's easy for "sex with girls who are drunk is ok" to turn into "sex with a girl who is passed out is ok" (which is where the line is definately non-negotiable) in the head of a horny drunk selfish teenager. Know what I mean? #rape
@Lady Saira, Vere de Vere: If you read the "Yes Means Yes!" post that Anna North linked to, the author says much the same thing I did: that a "relatively slim proportion" (his words) of the survey population admitted a rape or attempted rape, mostly from having sex with highly intoxicated women too drunk to resist. Yes, obviously, 6% is way too high, even one rape is horrible and way to many, etc., etc. Sure. Agreed.
But when you start using rape to make gross generalizations about "men" and what we can "brush off"-- well, my opinions on that aren't delicate, either. That's just silly and offensive, IMHO.
And it's not even supported by the facts. It's worth noting that the 120 men (of 1882) in the survey who admitted rape/attempted rape were also much more prone to other violent acts, including domestic abuse, child abuse and child beatings.
So what you have (in the words of the Yes Means Yes! post) is a "relatively small group of men, somewhere between 4% and 8% of the population, who do it again … and again … and again."
@SleeplessNights: @Lady Saira, Vere de Vere: @colormeroutine: This person is a troll. He is not arguing in good faith and he does not care about rape victims. He only shows up here when his troll-dar tells him that we are talking about rape, so he can make excuses for rapists. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL. #rape
I think it's important to note that rapists did it repeatidly, with different women. Often times the stat 1 out of 4 (or 8, depending on who you talk to) women will be raped is taken to mean that 1 out of 4 men are rapists, but actually it's a lot fewer due to the repeat offenses. In my college town, we had an alarming number of random-attack rapes in one year. They caught one guy, and then the stats went back down. He was responsible for all of them. #rape
@judgingamy: These numbers fit with the 1 in 4 stat really well. If 4% of men rape 6 women each, that comes to 24% of women, plus the 2% of women raped by single-incident guys -- 26% of the female population raped, or one fourth. Assuming no repeat victims. It feels kind of callous to talk about rapes as a math problem, but I thought it was interesting how well the numbers fit. #rape
...So anyone who "cries rape" or "plays the race card" or is a "fucking feminazi" is oversensitive, or a liar, or stupid, or all three.
I'm a big fan of the socratic method (or its mental health equivalent, motivational interviewing) - asking people questions in a non-judgmental way, highlighting the cognitive dissonance, and hoping for a "Eureka! I'm a Huge Asshole!" moment. Teaching females how to be safe is a necessary but is only a bandaid; male-focused interventions (and appropriate punishments and censure) are so key. #rape
@funzette: In high school, all of our history classes operated under the socratic method. It was the most useful teaching tactic I've seen implemented thus far. So I definitely agree that introducing such preventative measures (say, during the non-co-ed sex ed classes in school or during resident hall meetings) would be effective. #rape
@dialing_footnoterphone: That's amazingly progressive of your school! I think it takes really well-trained and supported teachers and counsellors to be able to use that kind of pedagogical tool, but man, it works. #rape
@A Small Turnip: My school was far ahead of the curve... we spent only 2 weeks on physical geography and the rest of the year on human geography and anthropology.
I was actually surprised how well it worked, because I was so stubborn back then I was convinced my teachers were hippies. So, if they can get through to me, I'm sure they could get through to those would-be rapists. Well, not the murderous freaks... but the other ones, yeah. #rape
I'm very unsurprised. And it's not just men who are confused about what makes something rape. When Observe and Report (as the above pic is reminding me) came out many women on this very website commented that they didn't think the sex with the nearly unconscious woman was actually rape. #rape
@bluebears: I honestly think this is another reason why we need comprehensive sex eduacation in schools. It seems like it's more acceptable for entertainment to blur the lines of sex and violence and we need to have a conversation that says "no, there is a clear difference."
Also, they need to bust up the MPAA, because shit like Hostel shouldn't be cool while But I'm a Cheerleader gets cut. #rape
@bluebears: It is such a disgusting and horrifying feature of our rape culture: women are objects for men to sexually conquer, and anything men do to accomplish that, pretty much, is okay. Because they are supposed to "get it" from girls. They are supposed to push and push until they get what they want. It is everywhere in our culture, that this is okay. It makes me sick. #rape
@justcallmeangel: One day, I was watching Oprah (don't shoot me) and there was a woman on there talking about her experience with a guy (stranger). It seems she went into the bathroom and the guy followed her in there, pushed her against the wall and made out with her. She liked it, but I was like a)why the hell did this guy think it was okay and b)why the hell is this woman sitting on national TV promoting this act like it's something that all women want. If a man did that to me, I'd take him out with pepper spray. #rape
@Triana Orpheus: No one woman wants to be, or enjoys being, raped or assaulted by someone - but plenty of women will consent to behavior that for me is way too close to the line between consent and force.
I know a lot of women who like being aggressively pursued and pressured by a guy (as long as he is attractive to her, of course), and like an element of force in sex. I also know a lot of couples who have gotten together after the man has pursued the woman in a way which I consider totally inappropriate creepy red-flags-everywhere stalking. Some of them seem quite happy and functional.. I dunno.
I'm like the total opposite and get extremely skeeved even by aggressive flirting, so I can't relate. But unfortunately I think there really is a pay-off, that's often accepted, enjoyed, or encouraged by certain women, to the kind of aggressive sexual behavior by guys that isn't rape or assault (as well as the 'pay-off' for some men in actual rape or assault). I don't know how this problem can be solved.. the education and guidance of boys could go a long way though...
@rhubarbarin: I totally know some women enjoy aggressive behavior. I just don't understand how they could be cool with that behavior right off the bat with no sort of discussion. She was eyeing him across the room, but eyeing someone is not consent to them following you into the bathroom and forcing themselves on you. Mind boggling. #rape
@Triana Orpheus: I guess the key is "she liked it." I mean, that SHE is the one who said she liked it. It's not okay if the man says "but she liked it." I have to hope that she conveyed in some way to this creep--ahem, this man--that she did want to be (ick) pushed up against a wall and kissed. I can understand that there is an element of being pursued that is a turn-on. I wouldn't personally want to be kissed by a stranger against a urine-stained wall but hey...it takes all kinds. My point is, yes, consent is always always always needed. But there are a lot of messages about sexual behavior in our society that are confusing. I'm not being very articulate. I do think this woman talking about this on national television (was the topic of the show anything to do with sexual assault?) is a little dangerous. I don't think the incident itself sounds THAT dangerous, although it certainly could have escalated and become something very different. #rape
@Triana Orpheus: Boggles my mind too. I would FREAK if some dude grabbed me. I don't care if he looked like Johnny Depp. I don't care if he WAS Johnny Depp. Never, ever would that be sexy or acceptable to me. #rape
@justcallmeangel: No, the topic was about what turned women on, which enraged me because while I respect her right to like whatever she does, I feel it was incredibly dangerous to promote that sort of behavior. No one said "Okay, she likes that, but not all women do, so err on the side of caution and respect." #rape
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1. These are cases that would be covered in civil court, therefore the parties can agree by contract to arbitrate instead of using the judicial system.
2. There's no criminal aspect that can be prosecuted by the US courts because these actions are taking place in foreign countries so there's no US jurisdiction and no military court jurisdiction (since these are contractors).
That's how I understand it.
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Arbitration can be appealed to a proper court as well, but only for gross procedural errors.
*IANAL - but I asked a litigator friend about this who has very recent experience in arbitration, after decades in court. Also - I am not "pro-arbitration" - just kicking a little info out there.
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The male host started cross-examining her, with this skeptical hard edge to his voice that I so often hear men, even feminist men, use when the subject of rape comes up, like "When you say 'took advantage', what exactly do you mean?" I flipped the station, because that sort of thing triggers so many horrible memories for me. After flipping around, I accidentally flipped it back to the station and I heard the female host telling her "Honey, the first thing is to realize that he raped you and it's not your fault"
I still turned the station, because I wanted to cheer up with some music, and I didn't want to hear it if the guy had a counterpoint. I guess my point is, it's good for us to raise one another's consciousness. It helps us deal with the pandemic of rape in the world we live in. But it's not enough when so many men think it's okay, and think it's our problem, or think vigilance against false accusations is equally important. It will never end until men decide to cut it out. #rape
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Commiserating among women has really been hugely helpful in my healing; I just wanted to point out the limitations of that, and where men, generally speaking, are falling short, because it's to our detriment. #rape
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People have a fantastic capacity for denial when it comes to their own wrongdoing. If anything, these guys just wonder why they keep getting in these situations, and if the women realized what cool, nice guys they were, they would have wanted to sleep with them anyway. Repeated instances probably just reaffirm their beliefs that women in general are too dumb to realize how awesome they are, and that the best way to get "sex" is to liquor the ladies up and be a little forceful. They will fool themselves into thinking everyone does it.
And other people will agree with them, because women will think in their head that either they'd never put themselves in a situation like that, or that they aren't so "frigid," and men will be scared that the same accusations will be used against them. #rape
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They just don't want to be called rapists. #rape
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(And even though I'm a sorority girl, I really mean that in the non-sorority rush way. :-) ) #rape
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I wonder if 'I've got friends, so I can't be a rapist' could also apply. It makes sense that good looking men with girlfriends could assume that they can't be rapists if they're not hiding out in alleys and waving knives, even if all the evidence is there. Especially if their own friends and occasionally their victims are happy to reinterpret reality for them so they don't have to confront it. #rape
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I'm taking a course on feminism and sexual assault right now, and it seems as though the change in this law has removed the idea of "gray rape" entirely- the argument of implied consent goes out the window, and the court looks for the defendant to have taken "reasonable steps" for consent. Not that the Canadian legal system totally understands everything, yet, but they're getting closer.
I'm using a lot of quotation marks, but they're necessary. Reasonable steps vary on the situation, and Gray Rape is a non-enforcable, not legal term perpetuated by Cosmo in 2007 ([www.cosmopolitan.com]) as part of their rape denial/forgiveness movement.
The more these studies are done, the more we're going to see the prevalence of sexual assault, and maybe work towards a standard where the perpetrators are targeted for their behaviours, versus the current victim-blaming standard #rape
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Men really need to be made more aware of the implications and effects of these things on the victim and be taught to recognize their privelleged position in society. I wish I had a good idea on how to make that happen, but I don't. I have yet to meet a male that really gets it, even the more aware ones among them #rape
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And by the by, the point of the study was not "Hey look at this tiny percentage! See, most men don't rape women. Rad!" but that these men, unwittingly or otherwise, have raped women and felt that it was perfectly fine to have sex with a woman who was too drunk to know what she was doing or to coerce a woman into a sexual act "by force or threat of force."
Only a small percent of high school kids bring guns to school and shoot their teachers and peers. I don't care that it was a small minority. It still happened.
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@colormeroutine: Well, yeah. Obviously. I thought that went without saying, but yes, I agree. #rape
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Luckily I know he'd never use his powers for evil, but he has no idea what it's like to be at the mercy of someone like that.
I'm not sure how much he gets it, I have (many times) tried to explain the difference between his position as a man and mine as a woman, but there's no way for him to really get it.
He probably hasn't been overpowered by anyone since he was a child playfighting with his dad. And he certainly never worries about it happening again. #rape
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When we let it "go without saying" what we're really doing is downplaying it #rape
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Sorry for rambling off all my questions and ponderings. #rape
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And yes, the point of Jezebel's coverage of the studies was whether or not the rapists were unwitting or not (yes, unwitting is a word, no, "witting" is not), but, from what I gathered at least, the studies themselves were about what I said they were about in my last post.
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But when you start using rape to make gross generalizations about "men" and what we can "brush off"-- well, my opinions on that aren't delicate, either. That's just silly and offensive, IMHO.
And it's not even supported by the facts. It's worth noting that the 120 men (of 1882) in the survey who admitted rape/attempted rape were also much more prone to other violent acts, including domestic abuse, child abuse and child beatings.
So what you have (in the words of the Yes Means Yes! post) is a "relatively small group of men, somewhere between 4% and 8% of the population, who do it again … and again … and again."
[yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com] #rape
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Racists don't think they're racists
Sexists don't think they're sexists
...So anyone who "cries rape" or "plays the race card" or is a "fucking feminazi" is oversensitive, or a liar, or stupid, or all three.
I'm a big fan of the socratic method (or its mental health equivalent, motivational interviewing) - asking people questions in a non-judgmental way, highlighting the cognitive dissonance, and hoping for a "Eureka! I'm a Huge Asshole!" moment. Teaching females how to be safe is a necessary but is only a bandaid; male-focused interventions (and appropriate punishments and censure) are so key. #rape
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I was actually surprised how well it worked, because I was so stubborn back then I was convinced my teachers were hippies. So, if they can get through to me, I'm sure they could get through to those would-be rapists. Well, not the murderous freaks... but the other ones, yeah. #rape
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Not much else to say to this. #rape
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Also, they need to bust up the MPAA, because shit like Hostel shouldn't be cool while But I'm a Cheerleader gets cut. #rape
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I know a lot of women who like being aggressively pursued and pressured by a guy (as long as he is attractive to her, of course), and like an element of force in sex. I also know a lot of couples who have gotten together after the man has pursued the woman in a way which I consider totally inappropriate creepy red-flags-everywhere stalking. Some of them seem quite happy and functional.. I dunno.
I'm like the total opposite and get extremely skeeved even by aggressive flirting, so I can't relate. But unfortunately I think there really is a pay-off, that's often accepted, enjoyed, or encouraged by certain women, to the kind of aggressive sexual behavior by guys that isn't rape or assault (as well as the 'pay-off' for some men in actual rape or assault). I don't know how this problem can be solved.. the education and guidance of boys could go a long way though...
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