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    "A Spinster Lady Can Turn Into Something Of A Battleaxe"

    Maureen Dowd, Sports, & The Perils Of Slamming Sexism

    "Perceived Negatively When You Share Your Success With Others?" That's Bingo!

    Vintage Honda Ad: A Cheap Car Means You Can Afford to Buy Women!

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    Image of clevernamehere clevernamehere
    10/29/09

    In reply to Maureen Dowd, Sports, & The Perils Of Slamming Sexism
    Tyrell makes some bizarre assumptions.

    Why would anyone assume that because Obama is in the top 10% of men height wise, that all the men he plays basketball with are also big?

    In what alternative world is a pick-up game of basketball a strength competition? This isn't exactly the NBA, its a bunch of middle aged guys.

    I don't particularly care about Obama's basketball games. I really doubt he has much input on things like promotions and raises. That would be more Rahm's territory.

    But it is problematic when bosses bond with employees over gender exclusive activities. When you're the boss, work and friendship need to be somewhat separate. #maureendowd
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    10/29/09

    In reply to Maureen Dowd, Sports, & The Perils Of Slamming Sexism
    This is a tough one - I'm no fan of Dowd's extremely petty Norma Desmond / Margot Channing like condescencion towards Hillary Clinton, but I see her point. Human nature is men like playing sports with men - when we play basketball we like to tell crude jokes, get gassy and all that other stuff that we are uncomfortable doing around women. But there is a professional advantage to being one of the boys, and there really isn't an answer to it. Men need to gather without women, and often our co-workers are also our friends. This isn't a men only issue. Plenty of professional women gather for "girls only" events with similar bonding to the exclusion of their male underlings. Less frequently than with men, but that misses the point. The point is this is a human nature issue, and until we change that, the problem will never be solved, least of all by "workplace guidelines" #maureendowd
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    10/29/09

    @sensitivitycop: There is a solution to the problem- men/women only time should not involve co-workers. A responsible boss should think about whether or not such events constitute favoritism.

    On another note- this is the second "That's just how guys are!" post I've seen from you in the last hour. I don't understand why someone who is so disinterested in gender roles or women as people would bother visiting this site. #maureendowd
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    10/29/09

    @sensitivitycop: And now when I read her column, which I do on occasion, I will read it in Norma's voice. "Do you want me to tell you?" #maureendowd
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    11/06/09

    @clevernamehere: where you got the idea i was "disinterested" I have no idea since I have a strong interest. I think it's senseless to deny that individuals have a strong social urge to be with people like themselves - whether it's gender, race, religion or political affilliation. Also, making rules that prohibit friends from associating just because they are co-workers is not only wrong, it's unenforceable. People are free to choose who their friends are, and the constitution protects both the right to assemble and freedom of speech, so such rules would lose in court. #maureendowd
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    11/06/09

    @sensitivitycop: The bill of rights applies to the government, not companies. Just like a company can make you sign a non-disclosure form, they can play a role in your work behavior. Freedom of speech/assembly means you can't get arrested, not that you can't get fired. #maureendowd
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    11/06/09

    @clevernamehere: If an individual associates with a co-worker OUTSIDE of the office then that behavior is outside the reach of corporate authority and protected. If 3 males or 3 females develop personal friendships with co-workers, they are free to have dinner, play soccer, or any other social activity outside the workplace. A corporation cannot regulate the company you keep once you leave the office - there can be security related rules about what you are allowed to discuss - if an individual has a specific security clearance then she or he may be restricted in what they can discuss - but not without signing a waiver first. But I guarantee you that if a company fired 3 men or 3 women just because they participated in social activities outside the office - even if they signed a waiver - the firing would not stand up in court on constitutional grounds. #maureendowd
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    11/06/09

    @clevernamehere: In this case, the bill of rights is being applied to individuals, not the corporations. #maureendowd
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    11/06/09

    @sensitivitycop: Yes, companies can regulate who you socialize with outside of work if it is expected to effect your work. No dating co-workers rules which are often enforced.

    But that really isn't the point. Your reaction to boy's club culture is "Sucks to be you, the Bill of Rights makes it okay." Not only isn't that untrue, it is myopic and selfish. #maureendowd
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    Image of Mushu_the_educated_whale Mushu_the_educated_whale
    10/29/09

    In reply to "A Spinster Lady Can Turn Into Something Of A Battleaxe"
    Oh Australia! The misogynists haven! One of my acquaintances is Australian. One day, upon seeing a woman police officer, he noted that women aren't allowed to be riot police officers in Australia, women don't have what it takes to be cops, etc. etc. I tore him a new asshole. Now if only I could do that for every misogynist ass hat in that country, we'd be in business! #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    10/29/09

    @Mushu_the_educated_whale: Yeah, if only you could take your vigilante justice to a whole 'nother country, of which you only know about through your experiences with one ex-pat male. Now if only I could do that with every mass generalisation, we'd be in business! #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    10/29/09

    In reply to "A Spinster Lady Can Turn Into Something Of A Battleaxe"
    Sadie actually posted about this not too long ago, albeit in the context of another post: [jezebel.com] #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    10/29/09

    In reply to Vintage Honda Ad: A Cheap Car Means You Can Afford to Buy Women!
    FunFact: 4 average-sized high-school senior dudes can lift one of these little Hondas and turn it sideways in a parking space in order to fuck w/ their buddy. #funfact #vintageads
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    Image of toastandlove toastandlove
    10/29/09

    In reply to "A Spinster Lady Can Turn Into Something Of A Battleaxe"
    Dude who wrote this memo:

    After some deliberation, it is difficult to find reasons to support NOT peeing on your car. #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    Image of Kivrin Kivrin
    10/29/09

    @toastandlove: At first glance I read "on your ear," which might be even better. (Or he might like it…) #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    10/29/09

    In reply to Maureen Dowd, Sports, & The Perils Of Slamming Sexism
    Given the choice, I'd rather play Scrabble with the POTUS than basketball. Possibly because I'm more into his quiet intelligence than his athleticism.

    And Tyrrell's last sentence makes the English major in me cringe. It's so awkward.
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    Image of Ailatan Ailatan
    10/29/09

    In reply to "A Spinster Lady Can Turn Into Something Of A Battleaxe"
    How is being a battleaxe bad? You get sharper! #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    Image of bluetrain84 bluetrain84
    10/29/09

    In reply to "A Spinster Lady Can Turn Into Something Of A Battleaxe"
    Point (V) is awesome because it's like, well, she already has all of this OTHER work to do, so if we let her choose some work she might want, then she'll have TWICE as much work, because we can't give any chores to anybody else! #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    10/29/09

    @bluetrain84: they are so nice, you see! they don't want to have the ladies overworked, but more importantly they don't wish to share the workload. #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    Image of Tippi Hedren Tippi Hedren
    10/29/09

    In reply to "A Spinster Lady Can Turn Into Something Of A Battleaxe"
    I'm willing to bet that a woman had to type this bullshit up. #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    Image of Doreen DelPurgatorio Doreen DelPurgatorio
    10/29/09

    @Tippi Hedren: maybe she's the one who wrote the checkmarks and stars in the margins...thinking "these are the phrases I'll spit back at him when I stab him with the letter opener." #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    10/29/09

    @Doreen DelPurgatorio: I'm more of a "bludgeon with a typewriter" kinda gal, myself. #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    Image of toastandlove toastandlove
    10/29/09

    In reply to "A Spinster Lady Can Turn Into Something Of A Battleaxe"
    I can't help but laugh at the little checkmarks and stars next to the various items, as though someone went though this like, "Yes, yes, oh yes, good point." #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    10/29/09


    @toastandlove: Really?
    I thought more on the line of other kind of stars. #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    10/29/09

    In reply to "A Spinster Lady Can Turn Into Something Of A Battleaxe"
    I love point (iv) and by love I mean I find it disgusting. #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    Image of HarpMadness HarpMadness
    10/29/09

    In reply to "A Spinster Lady Can Turn Into Something Of A Battleaxe"
    "Most mens clubs, for instance, do not allow women members".

    Ah, yes, the old "justify my bias with someone else's bias" routine. Makes perfect sense. #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    Image of Kivrin Kivrin
    10/29/09

    In reply to "A Spinster Lady Can Turn Into Something Of A Battleaxe"
    Battleaxes are forged in the flames of rage ignited by exactly this kind of male assholery. #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    Image of Doreen DelPurgatorio Doreen DelPurgatorio
    10/29/09

    @Kivrin: you have a very fine way of turning a phrase. Love the blacksmith metaphor (plus the punctuation of "assholery"). #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    Kivrin promoted this comment Doreen DelPurgatorio was starred Doreen DelPurgatorio was unstarred
    Image of Kivrin Kivrin
    10/29/09

    @Doreen DelPurgatorio: Hey, thanks! I almost made a comment about battleaxes being born, not made, and then I thought—No, a battleaxe is forged… ;) #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    Image of LBB LBB
    10/29/09

    @Kivrin: *applause* #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    Image of Doreen DelPurgatorio Doreen DelPurgatorio
    10/29/09

    In reply to "A Spinster Lady Can Turn Into Something Of A Battleaxe"
    Not just spinster women, cocktard! Haven't you ever seen a Lockhorns cartoon?
    I want to see the next page, so that I can read HOW a man usually mellows....like fine wine? like stinky cheese? #reasonsnottohirewomen
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    10/29/09

    @Doreen DelPurgatorio: Stinky cheese, definitely. Limburger. #reasonsnottohirewomen
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