I think the fabulous ladies at "Wronging Rights" say it best...
"why it was a good idea to single women out as rape victims, without presenting anything more about their lives or identities. (Sad that you still live in poverty? Depressed because your whole family was murdered? Sorry, this exhibition is vaginas-only!)
...Because right now, I see basically the same thing: women whose presentation to me starts and ends with the sexual trauma inflicted on them.I know, I know. It will "raise awareness." And that's important, because the Rwandan genocide is totally a secret."
@Smartipants: You do realize the proceeds are going towards rehabilitating and improving the lives of those affected, right? And that MANY people have forgotten about the genocide already because the world's attention span is short?
@musicpup rodstaff: Just because the proceeds may go towards addressing the issue doesn't mean it isn't exploitative. Read the Wronging Rights whole post...
@Smartipants: Wow. I think that's a really weird thing to say.
I don't think there is enough awareness of how rape is used and committed during war; it's something that there is a certain amount of silence around. And there definitely hasn't been a lot of talk about the children born from such atrocities.
Also, I really don't like the tone of that last line, because I'm pretty fucking sure most people couldn't tell you much more about the Rwandan genocide than "Uh...I know there was a Rwandan genocide..."
@Smartipants: Having seen the book, I think maybe that's not quite right. The book interviews many of the women, and they talk about how their lives have been affected by the genocide, which yes, does include rape, yes. But one of the things that many of these women struggle with is the fact that everyone they know is dead, and the only family they have left are the children they gave birth to after repeated rapings. As I said above, it's a really interesting and beautiful book.
@Smartipants: I just read the post and I'm having a hard time really seeing that side of it. My perspective is that rape in general, all over the world, has traditionally been "hushed up". I think having a forum where survivors of rape can tell their stories is a positive thing. Until people see the real faces of those who have been harmed, it's really easy to just ignore it.
I don't know -- that post and some of the comments that followed it felt as though those people do not think that those who have been raped should speak about their experiences, but to me, that is a very harmful attitude to have. That is why so many rapes, even in our own country, go unreported -- there is still so much shame on the part of the person who was raped, when really it should be the rapist who should feel shame.
I also really take issue with the sarcasm around raising awareness. Obviously, we need our awareness raised because this sort of thing continues to go on in the world.
@Smartipants: I did and I still cannot agree. The women (and the one man) would not have agreed had they felt this would exploit them. The victims of these rapes are brave for standing up for themselves, for being honest about what happened to them. Many of them contracted AIDS through the rape. Do you think they should not be receiving money so they can somehow build up their country, which is still half in ruins, again? Their names are only public to the rest of the world; in their own countries, they will never be recognized because almost everyone has experienced the same situation.
Africa is a continent absolutely ravaged by warfare, crime and violence. Women usually are those to suffer the most. As someone else on here already said, people are still shooting each other in the Congo. People are being murdered and raped in masses in Darfur. There MUST be awareness raised; fact is, people react to the soulful eyes of those who have lost the most. We westerners take for granted that we mostly live in peace and there is at least the chance of justice being served to those who rape and murder. The world watched as the Hutu slaughtered the Tutsi in Rwanda, just as they watch the massacres in Darfur.
You can't tell me awareness should not be raised to this by consenting women.
@kelsium: Yes, and how fucking amazing is it that the International Court in The Hague is actually charging the Sudanese president with rape?!
I mean, yes, it's causing a lot of problems for aid workers, but I think holding the highest leader accountable for atrocities like these, committed by people he invited in, is a tremendous step in the right direction.
@kelsium: It's big news here since, well, I live around the corner from the ICC, so I've been following it quite religiously.
When they first came out with the charges, I thought, 'yeah, blah blah, it'll just be a generic "crimes against humanity"-thing' and then it was all murder, pillaging, rape, displacement of local populations WTFZOMG?!
I do hope that some time, some day, the ICC will get their hands on Al-Bashir, and can try and convict him, and then MAYBE leaders will know that what they do has consequences other than other leaders going "you've been a bad boy".
Yay, I'm so glad you guys mentioned this book! I'm selling it into stores right now, and its tough sell. Please, if you're interested, go to your local bookstore and ask about it! There's another amazing book coming out soon to: [www.dmpibooks.com]
That picture still breaks my heart. I know I've mentioned it before, but it was featured in a German magazine last year, along with interview snippets with the victims and the photographer.
The picture the editors picked is particularly gut-wrenching: The child you see in the back is the result of the mother's rape. She can't bond with the girl. While she does not abuse the girl, she cannot feel anything but contempt for the child and is apparently very much attached to her other daughter, whom she is holding in the photograph.
@musicpup rodstaff: When I hear something like this, I am simultaneously SO GLAD that little girl in Brazil was able to get her abortion and SO FUCKING PISSED at the people who would have wanted to stop her. How could you put both the mother and child through that much more trauma, in addition to the horror already suffered?
@Cerridwen: I think that's an important issue this book raises. The right-wingers only go "SAVE THE BABIES!!!!!" and never think to support those who were violated. Nobody gives a shit about the women who actually have to live with the consequences. Nobody cares about the fact these women can't want or love those children because they are so emotionally scarred. The women in Rwanda did not have the option; look how that turned out.
Just reading about this makes myheart break. I can not imagine how difficult it would be to hold it together face to face with women who have been through these things. Ashley Judd must be a very strong woman.
Angeline Jolie is an ambassador for the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees and is a member of the Council for Foreign Relations. I think she's plenty respected by the people she cares to be respected by.
@TheGuvnah: also it's not like all humanitarian work is the same. They are working on totally different issues. Just another way calling humanitarian work "disaster tourism" is a simplification, even though I DO think there is sometimes an actual helpful critique behind that term sometimes.
@ANin: Well, the Council on Foreign Relations loved their celebrity membership. I doubt she's doing any of the deep-thinking for them. That said, anyone who tries to channel her fame into something useful is head and shoulders above at least 80% of humanity.
If Jolie could express herself this way she would garner more respect and definitely more attention for the issues. Because even though I do respect Jolie all I see is pictures of her and when she does an interview it's mostly platitudes and Brad Pitt. Maybe she just doesn't have the ability to articulate it as well as Judd.
@captainolimar: actually Angelina does an incredible amount of work behind the scenes advocating directly with UN agencies, donors, etc. She is actually very well respected within the human rights world as smarter, more educated and humbler than she comes off.
As for the issue of Goma, it is true that there are horrible forms of gender based violence going on and that inequality fuels a lot of it. That being said it is not like men are any less victims of atrocities. It is a political problem that needs a political solution, and is fueled by resource theft in mineral rich Congo. There are multinational corporate interests at play here as well as regional and border conflicts. The humanitarian work is barely a band aid.
Don't fight the grief, Ashley. Let it find a little place in your heart to live on...That way you'll always remember and always have the grace and sincerity to keep spreading the word and working toward change.
@morninggloria: When going to volunteer with our campus's director of sexual assault services, my one question for her was "How do you do this without coming to hate men?" Her answer, in which I found significant solace, was "most men would never do this sort of thing. Unfortunately, those who do, do it a lot."
On the other hand, scenarios like the situation in Congo may belie that claim.
"Extremely articulate" is right. I would probably just be speechless, as I pretty much am after reading her statement. Major credit to Ashley Judd for having her priorities in the right place and working on things that truly matter.
@lippybug: there are a bunch but I really believe that MSF/Doctors Without Borders does some of the best work and stays in places when no one else will (like Somalia). They are pretty good at keeping their overhead down too so your money is going to straight up medical services. You're doing good.
@lippybug: DWOB is a truly exceptional organization. If you want to focus specifically on women, this group works directly with survivors of war and conflict: [www.womenforwomen.org]
@hussein persepolis hussein: Thank you for telling me about this organization. I'm signing up for a monthly sponsorship as I write this.
I sometimes feel so powerless when I hear about these horrors. I know it is not much, but at least I can give money to those who can directly impact these women's lives.
@Cerridwen: Yeah for you! I just received a handwritten letter from a woman who is supported by this organization. It is very humbling and forces me out of my own selfish perspective on the world.
Christopher Dickey says: "Inevitably, there are people who say that you are a voyeur." Responds Judd: "Let them come with me-Come 'voyeur' with me."
Any one who would call her a "voyeur" is really an insensitive asshole. I really hope no one would go to the Congo to just look around, I hope that if they did go they would also see how horrible it is and try to help, like the beautiful Ms. Ashley Judd is.
@UnSeelie...aah! 5 to E-DAY: A voyeur, seriously? It's not like she went to a peep show in pre-Giuliani Times Square. Does that make all witnesses to atrocities voyeurs? Grrrrr.
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"why it was a good idea to single women out as rape victims, without presenting anything more about their lives or identities. (Sad that you still live in poverty? Depressed because your whole family was murdered? Sorry, this exhibition is vaginas-only!)
...Because right now, I see basically the same thing: women whose presentation to me starts and ends with the sexual trauma inflicted on them.I know, I know. It will "raise awareness." And that's important, because the Rwandan genocide is totally a secret."
[wrongingrights.blogspot.com]
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I don't think there is enough awareness of how rape is used and committed during war; it's something that there is a certain amount of silence around. And there definitely hasn't been a lot of talk about the children born from such atrocities.
Also, I really don't like the tone of that last line, because I'm pretty fucking sure most people couldn't tell you much more about the Rwandan genocide than "Uh...I know there was a Rwandan genocide..."
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(I don't know why I am replying to you, because I have to say in response to your comment is "word")
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I don't know -- that post and some of the comments that followed it felt as though those people do not think that those who have been raped should speak about their experiences, but to me, that is a very harmful attitude to have. That is why so many rapes, even in our own country, go unreported -- there is still so much shame on the part of the person who was raped, when really it should be the rapist who should feel shame.
I also really take issue with the sarcasm around raising awareness. Obviously, we need our awareness raised because this sort of thing continues to go on in the world.
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Africa is a continent absolutely ravaged by warfare, crime and violence. Women usually are those to suffer the most. As someone else on here already said, people are still shooting each other in the Congo. People are being murdered and raped in masses in Darfur. There MUST be awareness raised; fact is, people react to the soulful eyes of those who have lost the most. We westerners take for granted that we mostly live in peace and there is at least the chance of justice being served to those who rape and murder. The world watched as the Hutu slaughtered the Tutsi in Rwanda, just as they watch the massacres in Darfur.
You can't tell me awareness should not be raised to this by consenting women.
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I mean, yes, it's causing a lot of problems for aid workers, but I think holding the highest leader accountable for atrocities like these, committed by people he invited in, is a tremendous step in the right direction.
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When they first came out with the charges, I thought, 'yeah, blah blah, it'll just be a generic "crimes against humanity"-thing' and then it was all murder, pillaging, rape, displacement of local populations WTFZOMG?!
I do hope that some time, some day, the ICC will get their hands on Al-Bashir, and can try and convict him, and then MAYBE leaders will know that what they do has consequences other than other leaders going "you've been a bad boy".
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The picture the editors picked is particularly gut-wrenching: The child you see in the back is the result of the mother's rape. She can't bond with the girl. While she does not abuse the girl, she cannot feel anything but contempt for the child and is apparently very much attached to her other daughter, whom she is holding in the photograph.
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it's not a competition between Ashley and Angelina, people. Both are awesome.
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As for the issue of Goma, it is true that there are horrible forms of gender based violence going on and that inequality fuels a lot of it. That being said it is not like men are any less victims of atrocities. It is a political problem that needs a political solution, and is fueled by resource theft in mineral rich Congo. There are multinational corporate interests at play here as well as regional and border conflicts. The humanitarian work is barely a band aid.
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On the other hand, scenarios like the situation in Congo may belie that claim.
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I sometimes feel so powerless when I hear about these horrors. I know it is not much, but at least I can give money to those who can directly impact these women's lives.
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Any one who would call her a "voyeur" is really an insensitive asshole. I really hope no one would go to the Congo to just look around, I hope that if they did go they would also see how horrible it is and try to help, like the beautiful Ms. Ashley Judd is.
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