I'm not even going to lie: this doesn't surprise me. Maybe I've been around too many asshole guys (I once worked on Wall Street), but this just elicits a shrug from me. I had one guy confess to having raped a woman, in which he even called it "rape," and then asked me out right after. He was totally surprised I didn't fall for his "honesty."
Because a) sure, she's going to go out with you when she's already in a relationship and b) because nothing says "keeper" like a guy who steals your stuff.
There was a Lifetime movie with Richard Grieco similar to this where a woman got raped and then the rapist asked her out and they got married. Sometimes Lifetime imitates life and other times life imitates Lifetime.
@EdnasEdibles: That's part of the plot of Atonement as well. At least it is in the book; I don't know if they stuck with it in the movie, though since it was a major plot point I think they probably had to.
@slowpoke.r: In Atonement there was no actual rape though. The younger sister caught the older sister mid-act and interpreted it as a rape out of confusion because she thought it looked violent and was already mad at the guy
In the movie, it wasn't clear that the younger girl knew that her bridegroom had assaulted her, although there was the possibility that she was in denial.
@slowpoke.r: It's also a plot point in Watchmen. Well, actually Sally Jupiter never marries the Comedian but she does later have sex with him consensually and becomes pregnant with Laurie. I thought it was actually an interesting plot point that added a lot of dimensions to the character in the graphic novel. In the movie...eh.
@Seeräuber Jenny: Wait, it isn't clear that Briony knew that the rich guy had raped Lola? Who was the bridegroom? And who did he assault? Was Briony in denial, or Lola?
Guess I should rent the movie, but I have an unjustifiable and totally irrational dislike of Kiera Knightly.
@Cerridwen: I haven't seen or read Watchmen, but I know that it was a very compelling storyline in Atonement and didn't feel outlandish or unreal but rather like something that actually happens. When many men still believe that it's impossible for a husband to rape a wife, it's not that unlikely that women can come to see things that way too, if only to mentally protect themselves in an unavoidable and terrible situation. I know that's sort of the reverse of marrying one's rapist but I think it's related.
@Cerridwen: In the graphic novel, Laurie is the product of Sally's rape. There is no humanizing of the Comedian afterwards, he is an unapologetic rapist. Apparently Zack whatshisface decided that was too much of a gauntlet to throw in the movie and inserted that crap about them hooking up later in the movie. Which was BS.
@hortense: I've seen this movie already. A man breaks into a woman's home, steals some stuff, including her diary. He reads it, falls in love with her, then seduces her. I think it's called Thief of Hearts, from the 80s. My mom thought the guy was hot. I just remember something about Rum Raisin ice cream
The Other Paper is getting some pretty heinous comments on the story from sleazes who found it by way of mensactivism.org. Hopefully the posting here will generate some more thoughtful discourse over there.
It would be a better public service campaign to show pictures of ordinary homes, clubs, restaurant, college campuses and have the stencil or a voice over that "someone was raped here", since all of those are more common places.
@theysaidwhat: Yes. People assume women who are 'really raped' are attacked in alleys by strangers. It's more startling to know that most are raped in their own apartments or dorm rooms, on dates, in the backs of cars.
@scarlet gray: They are meant to be disconcerting and to jar the conscience. I'm not saying that this is the best way to go about raising awareness, but you finding them disconcerting indicates that they are doing their job.
I find it difficult to distinguish between this and the very anti-feminist, violent, threatening scrawlings all over NYC. I'm not sure how much of a difference the intent makes if the impact is similar.
@Eriu: I see your point here, but there is something to be said for reclaiming an art form that is threatening and turning it around to create awareness of a force that is countering the threat.
@kelsium: I'm not saying the method of graffiti art can't be used in a way that is positive. Just that this particular one strikes the exact same feeling into my heart that any violent, misogynistic graffiti does, so I don't find this particular example to be effective in doing what you mention. I'm also not sure that if I just saw this on the street, not knowing anything about the intent or the person who put it there, I would necessarily know it's intent or consider it feminist. Maybe I'm a pessimist or not cultured enough to "get it", but I'd probably think the worst and assume it was meant to cause fear.
@Eriu: I think what you said about intent is important. It would be harder to organize, but perhaps graffiti tags by the victims that say "Someone raped me here." would be more effective?
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I could say this 100 times a day: What is wrong with men?
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In the movie, it wasn't clear that the younger girl knew that her bridegroom had assaulted her, although there was the possibility that she was in denial.
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Guess I should rent the movie, but I have an unjustifiable and totally irrational dislike of Kiera Knightly.
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"Because sometimes you need to be robbed in order to realize that your heart has been stolen."
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shaved_ape wrote on Apr 24, 2009 5:32 PM:
" When rape happens to your Mom, your Daughter, or your son, you might not laugh so hard. They probably won't tell you, because you shame them.
Or if more women start to carry handguns. It won't be so funny then. Thinning the herd might be a really good thing.
Men that laugh about rape have never been to prison. Or served as an Altar Boy. "
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