I never heard about this concentration camp brothel thing. It seems to me that sex is almost never present in Nazi narratives, which I think is odd. Has there ever been a war where rape wasn't a weapon or privilege?
From the article:
"the women -- many of whom had been interned by the Nazis on the grounds they were "asozial" or anti-socia"
I would just like to release a service announcement that, contrary to popular opinion, Obama will be your president for FOUR whole years. So if we could hold up on the 'outrage' and 'betrayl' that would be good.
@battleaxonista...is a humorless bitch: But, but...he's been president for SIX whole months? why hasn't he fixed the economy, gotten every single person a job, ended all wars and generally fixed every single problem thats taken generations to create?
Ummm...Was anyone else shocked to read that the average age that teens from low income families became sexually active was 12.77? Because I really, really was.
the report really didn't offer many solutions for this *problem except maternity education. But we need a serious revamp of the sex ed programs in our schools. Serious sex ed classes, free condoms, the works. But also: after-school activities, better classroom environments, more opportunities for higher education...I feel like this is merely a symptom of some much bigger problems.
*(and I know calling this a problem might spark controversy, but I really don't think sex at that age is ever a good thing).
Just sad and repulsed. Especially after I interviewed college students who said they'd lost their virginity early--one as young as twelve, the median age probably being 13/14.
The girl who lost it at 12 (18 at the time of the interview)had a BIG smile on her face when I asked if she used a condom that first, "unpleasant, accidental" time (as she described it...her partner was 17) because she answered "yes" and was proud of that knowledge ( as she should have been).
Then she said she'd had an abortion earlier that year and despite feeling awful about it and remaining sexually active, she hadn't switched to the Pill, nor was she using condoms.
That is why the people who study this and take this issue seriously know that if we took comprehensive sex-ed seriously as a country it would have to be aggressive and would start in middle school...and ideally would tackle everything from rape/rape culture, peer pressure, and why pregnancy prevention/avoiding STIs (and getting tested regularly once one becomes sexually active) are all incredibly important.
ok I'm a little naive about this but the whole situation with Mad Men is it because the majority of the workforce is men and women are the minorities of the company? Damn I wish I could have cable, watch it online, or rent it. It weird because in my field it's mostly 50/50 so when I interned a few years back (my only work experience) I didn't see much harrassment or anything of the sort. Alas, those sort of situations make me glad that I'm currently unemployed.
I'm excited to see how they play that out (much more excited to see that than any JFK reference that has been played to death). I can only imagine how politics worked when Congress was debating whether to give legal protections to minorities (women were only an afterthought), and then the workplace impact that it had after when sudden legal protections for women and minorities existed. They may not have been enforced, but I'm sure a topic of many conversations and a "problem" that businesses now had to learn how to address.
@envirodesigner: In MM, numerically the women probably outnumber the men, but the men are execs and the women are secretaries. Today, men and women have equal opportunities except women are expected to clean up the break room and restock the copier with paper while the men look on with faux-helplessness.
@formergr: There's an older woman at work who does this to me. She doesn't like answering the phone so she'll let it ring and ring until I have to drop what I'm doing, walk back to the desk and answer it. And she refuses to learn the computer system so again, I have to handle every single whining patron's demands when I work with her. Today she tried to get me to go pull a book off the shelf for her when I was doing the holds list, which is a timed activity that I have 1/2 hour todo first thing in the morning, and that's with th whining patrons and this woman's uselessness. I ignored her and she did it herself. She's not as blind and deaf as she wants us to think she is.
Re: Mad Men sexual harassment. I used to work with an older woman who'd been in the workplace for decades. She said there were places you didn't want to work late cuz the bosses would chase you around the desk.
@Maulleigh: I'm in my mid 20's and I have worked alongside two women who were laid off for being pregnant or for giving birth and taking too much time off afterwards when her baby was born premature and had to be in the NICU.
@Maulleigh: Not so unbelievable. It happened last year to an associate of, I believe, Jones Day et al. (Jezzie covered it.) Or was it Paul Weiss et al.?
Well, you get my point.
(And those are law firms. They dressed the dismissal up to make it look pretty, but ...)
@Maulleigh: Mid-eighties, I worked in a bank where one female employee (with a Master's in Finance) was turned down for a management position because "you might decide to get married and have children soon". Kid you not.
@Maulleigh: My first job out of college was as a data entry clerk at a very small company. One of the salesmen (the boss's son in law) spent every free moment trying to massage my shoulders. I reported him and was fired. It paid five cents more than minimum wage, so it wasn't worth fighting. That was in 1994.
Last year, my boss at a start up told one woman she needed to stay home and raise her babies the right way, told another he only hired women for the eye candy, called all of us sweetie, honey and sugar and then put a line in our termination contracts saying we'd lose our severance package and incur a $2000 fee if we said anything negative about him OR implied all the women in the company were fired on the same day because of any sexism on his part. If you have enough money, apparently the rules don't apply.
I'm proud to say I know just as many men who are not sexist holdovers from the fifties as are, but it's a damn shame when 50% is something to celebrate.
I used to think the Mad Men situations were a product of the period, but the last two weeks at work have me convinced I am Peggy Olsen and although I am No. 2 in my office, I will never be treated that way by certain people (not all of them men, but most of them) who remain ignorant that condescending behavior is rude by any measure, but especially to a woman who outranks them.
I will be taking notes the rest of the season to see how Peggy handles her office. Maybe I could learn a few tips from her (well, maybe not the baby-having-and-hiding part).
@willwriteforfood: The further along I get in my career, the more Mad Men seems relevant. Example: in my office (and the profession as a whole) something like 80% of the workers are women. But 80% of the top bosses are men.
@Flackette Goes Retro: The people whom I directly supervise are all respectful and I have never had a problem with them. I find most of the attitude comes from underlings in other departments who don't have me as a boss, or from other department heads who rank at the same level or higher. You'd think they'd be more aware and sensitive, given their rank, but it's not that way at all. And it has nothing to do with age; one of the more annoying offenders is a Pete Campbell type who is three years younger than me but goes around passive-aggressively telling me how to do my job.
My boss's attitude is "be an adult, brush it off" but after awhile I get very tired of being the only adult in the room. When do I get to act like a child, huh? I call this the burden of the competent. You will always have to do more than you should, because no one else will.
@Lymed: It's not a $15K claim, that's just the amount you have to check on the jury claim form in Connecticut. At this stage you don't have to quantify your claim that specifically.
My husband is constantly shocked by the treatment of the women at Sterling Cooper, but aside from the election day episode where Ken chases the woman down to look at her panties, it's not far off the mark for current workplace treatment.
Those morning sickness bags are officially the stupidest pregnancy-related product I've ever seen. And that is REALLY saying something, because pregnancy is fertile ground for stupid products.
I completely believe this about Mad Men. Dear God, it's like watching the last four years of my llife in a New York law firm in recap. It actually makes it kind of hard to watch the show...but at least I know I wasn't crazy. That really WAS what I thought it was. Bastards.
Although compared to life in a concentration camp brothel...!
Researchers have found that increased sexual activity can lead to increased productivity in the workplace. Apparently, sex can improve problem-solving skills and creativity.
Immediately followed by:
A new book, Das KZ Bordell, details the horrible reality of life in concentration camp brothels. The Nazis suspected that their prisoners would work harder if they were given an incentive, so they enlisted women from the camps to work as prostitutes, which were segregated according to race and closely monitored (read: peepholes) by SS officials.
Is kind of...twisted and ironic. Please tell me the placement was an accident.
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: I actually thought about separating them after I finished writing, but I think you guys would have made the connection anyway, no matter how many articles I put in between the two summaries. It is not so much twisted or ironic, but evidence of the horrible logic that went into the organization and management of concentration camps.
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08/17/09
From the article:
"the women -- many of whom had been interned by the Nazis on the grounds they were "asozial" or anti-socia"
Read: Lesbian. Forced to have sex with men.
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FFS.
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the report really didn't offer many solutions for this *problem except maternity education. But we need a serious revamp of the sex ed programs in our schools. Serious sex ed classes, free condoms, the works. But also: after-school activities, better classroom environments, more opportunities for higher education...I feel like this is merely a symptom of some much bigger problems.
*(and I know calling this a problem might spark controversy, but I really don't think sex at that age is ever a good thing).
08/17/09
Just sad and repulsed. Especially after I interviewed college students who said they'd lost their virginity early--one as young as twelve, the median age probably being 13/14.
The girl who lost it at 12 (18 at the time of the interview)had a BIG smile on her face when I asked if she used a condom that first, "unpleasant, accidental" time (as she described it...her partner was 17) because she answered "yes" and was proud of that knowledge ( as she should have been).
Then she said she'd had an abortion earlier that year and despite feeling awful about it and remaining sexually active, she hadn't switched to the Pill, nor was she using condoms.
That is why the people who study this and take this issue seriously know that if we took comprehensive sex-ed seriously as a country it would have to be aggressive and would start in middle school...and ideally would tackle everything from rape/rape culture, peer pressure, and why pregnancy prevention/avoiding STIs (and getting tested regularly once one becomes sexually active) are all incredibly important.
08/17/09
Shocker!
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I'm excited to see how they play that out (much more excited to see that than any JFK reference that has been played to death). I can only imagine how politics worked when Congress was debating whether to give legal protections to minorities (women were only an afterthought), and then the workplace impact that it had after when sudden legal protections for women and minorities existed. They may not have been enforced, but I'm sure a topic of many conversations and a "problem" that businesses now had to learn how to address.
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And she got let go once because she got pregnant.
Unbelievable!!
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Well, you get my point.
(And those are law firms. They dressed the dismissal up to make it look pretty, but ...)
08/17/09
08/17/09
Last year, my boss at a start up told one woman she needed to stay home and raise her babies the right way, told another he only hired women for the eye candy, called all of us sweetie, honey and sugar and then put a line in our termination contracts saying we'd lose our severance package and incur a $2000 fee if we said anything negative about him OR implied all the women in the company were fired on the same day because of any sexism on his part. If you have enough money, apparently the rules don't apply.
I'm proud to say I know just as many men who are not sexist holdovers from the fifties as are, but it's a damn shame when 50% is something to celebrate.
08/18/09
08/17/09
I will be taking notes the rest of the season to see how Peggy handles her office. Maybe I could learn a few tips from her (well, maybe not the baby-having-and-hiding part).
08/17/09
08/17/09
My boss's attitude is "be an adult, brush it off" but after awhile I get very tired of being the only adult in the room. When do I get to act like a child, huh? I call this the burden of the competent. You will always have to do more than you should, because no one else will.
08/17/09
I might be biased though, because Marriott's continental breakfast service was what kept me alive when I was snowed in at JFK with no money.
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Those morning sickness bags are officially the stupidest pregnancy-related product I've ever seen. And that is REALLY saying something, because pregnancy is fertile ground for stupid products.
08/17/09
Although compared to life in a concentration camp brothel...!
08/17/09
08/17/09
Immediately followed by:
A new book, Das KZ Bordell, details the horrible reality of life in concentration camp brothels. The Nazis suspected that their prisoners would work harder if they were given an incentive, so they enlisted women from the camps to work as prostitutes, which were segregated according to race and closely monitored (read: peepholes) by SS officials.
Is kind of...twisted and ironic. Please tell me the placement was an accident.
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