As a straight ally, I don't want to co-opt any LGBT person's legitimate frustration today, which like election day when the news about Prop 8 hit here in CA, was devastating for anyone with any sense of justice...but I firmly believe we'll get there.
It should be now, of course. No one should have to wait for equality. It's disgusting and unfair that civil rights issues like this take as long as they do, have as many setbacks as they do, and require so much work and frustration and disillusion.
There's no way to change every mind, but it's heartbreaking to see something that should never, ever, be up to popular vote...be legitimized in some way and go counter to the basic tenants of our system. Which is that the rights of the minority should NEVER be subject to the whims of the majority. That is a fundamental issue in our system. The fact that many people seem to believe they have the right to decide what version of equality other people get to have saddens me. Something is broken in anyone who believes that.
I wish I could tell my LGBT friends that this will change soon. That this fight will not have to go on for years, or decades, and we'll see this in our lifetimes. I hope that we will. I think we move for change in the world faster than we used to. I can only hope we do. And continue to fight for it.
Bigotry will, I think, always exist. But we can't ever let it dictate our lives and access to equality. So we'll always have to fight. And though it's frustrating and discouraging...it's worth it.
@tiredfairy: Well at least it was only 53% not ... 83%, you know? 20 years from now people are going to look at events like this and say, "Grandma & Grandpa, WHAT THE FUCK were you thinking??" #gaymarriagemaine
It's sad, I really wasn't expecting this to happen at all.
Regarding the whole Catholic situation, I think it's possible to overcome that. Look at Spain, one of the first countries to approve gay marriage. You have many religious people there, many non-religious too, and they seem to respect each other.
Also many young people there who identify themsleves as Catholics but who don't agree with many conservative issues. A few call them hypocrites, I call them just people who move with the times and who have decided to be dissidents from within.
I still feel sad though, but I have a bit of hope.
@MerryLilly: American Catholicism is one of the strictest Catholic cultures in the world, and in many ways it's a totally different beast from the Churches in Spain, France, or even Italy. Catholic Spain may have found a way to make it work, but the American Church is unlikely to let it pass. #gaymarriagemaine
@rodmanstreet: That's a good point. However, I believe it will change in America too. Just look at Spain during Franco's era (extreme restrictions) and look at it now. #gaymarriagemaine
@MerryLilly: I wouldn't really place a lot of the anti-equality sentiment on the American Catholic church. A lot of it is built up in the Southern Bible Belt, an area that is overwhelmingly Evangelical and very outspoken against gay marriage. While the Catholic church is also against gay marriage, I wouldn't say that it's the main religious stronghold against marriage equality in the US. #gaymarriagemaine
@GF_AdventureGrl: Agreed! However, some people just seem to throw the word "catholic" at everything. While the Vatican itself has very strict norms, I believe many Catholics are way more progressive when it comes to these issues. #gaymarriagemaine
@MerryLilly: Franco was a tyrant who imposed his way of thinking to Spain, here there is no autocrat in close history who imposed his beliefs to the country, wich means that they believe it by self-conviction and that's harder to erase than drop impositions someone had on you #gaymarriagemaine
@not_kinky: Well, I admit that's a very valid point.
I guess I was trying to find a silver lining somewhere. It's a long battle anyway, similar to women's rights. We've come a long way, but there are still many things that need to change. #gaymarriagemaine
"There’s good news and bad news here. The good news is that even in one of the most liberal States in the Union, Maine, the people have once again rejected the ridiculous and oxymoronic notion of ‘same sex marriage.’ The momentum has again shifted – hopefully for good this time – in favor of protecting legitimate marriage. A counterfeit is a counterfeit. An orange is an orange no matter how much you want it to be a turnip. This isn’t about ‘marriage.’ It’s about hurting and broken people desperately seeking affirmation of an objectively deviant lifestyle. One that, even in their heart of hearts, they know to be a dead end. As for the militant ‘No on 1’ homosexual activists? I’m reminded of spoiled children dressing up and playing house, refusing to come in when mom calls for dinner. Here’s the bad news. The margin of victory could have been greater. Many behind the ‘Yes on 1’ campaign, rather than simply telling the truth, chose the Neville Chamberlain approach. They merely circled the wagons around the word ‘marriage,’ even suggesting that ‘domestic partnerships’ (‘gay marriages’ by another name) are acceptable. This makes no sense. If that’s a viable compromise, then why not simply allow 'gay' duos the word ‘marriage’? It’s an incongruity that demands an explanation. This is an historic battle for the minds and souls of our children – for our very culture. The mealy-mouthed approach must end. This is not just about ‘marriage.’ It has everything to do with forced affirmation of homosexuality – under penalty of law." —Liberty Counsel and Liberty Alliance Action director Matt Barber, on Maine's outcome
@gracie1117: Seriously, how do you even start to analyze this? How many synaptic misfires were necessary for this statement to be made? #gaymarriagemaine
@JessickerFletcher: Talk about acting like children. This guy is essentially closing his eyes and covering his ears saying "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" thinking that they are just going to go away. That, magically, homosexuality is going to one day cease to exist. Someone needs to grow up and open their eyes. This isn't over. #gaymarriagemaine
@JessickerFletcher: This whole thing makes me want to puke. Forced affirmation of homosexuality, under penalty of law? Mr. Barber, I'd like to vote against being forced to support your very existence. #gaymarriagemaine
@gracie1117: Actually, I think it's worth pointing out that even this bigoted asshole gets the arbitrariness of people feeling that civil unions are ok but marriage is not. #gaymarriagemaine
@JessickerFletcher: I love that he is part of an organization with not one, but two liberties in the name, but the organization is actively seeking to repress people. #gaymarriagemaine
@lilyHaze: I know! That name is hilarious. They should've just named it the "US American Freedom Liberty Patriotic Freedom Eagle Red, White, and Blue Coalition for the Judeo-Christian Roots of Our Country God Bless Us with God Given Liberty Organization." Sigh#gaymarriagemaine
This is Maggie Gallagher, the President of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), the group that actively campaigns against gay marriage and the LGBT community in general. She is a hateful, hateful woman.
There's a four-letter word she deserves to be called. I'll leave it all to you to decide what that word is.
Going into the election, I think most of us in the LGBT community knew Maine was going to be a difficult, and close, battle. And while the results here in Washington State are looking favorable for our "everything but marriage" law, it's still heartbreaking. And frustrating that out-of-state groups and donors are effectively dictating state laws and policy, intentionally misleading voters. And for what? To preserve their already admittedly broken and ruined marriages? Their infidelities and lies?
Fuck that.
I'm tired of these groups running behind the pearly white robes of Jesus to justify their hatred. Tired of the lies, and the claims that they're doing this because they care about children and families and preserving the 'natural order.' If you cared so much, then the tens-of-thousands of dollars spent on hateful advertising to stop gay marriage could be better used to helping family and children that are homeless, or starving, or in need of medical care. Not fattening their own wallets so they can afford expensive cars and homes and clothing for their non-stop media appearances.
So tired of this shit, and tired of having to fight for what should just be. I don't blame the citizens of Maine, there was always going to be those who voted in favor of Question 1, but those behind the campaigns? The NOMs and religious organizations? You. You I blame. And you will go down. Because you're a dying breed.
@hovy: I was speechless with rage when I heard that Larry Stickney (the guy running the R-71 thing in Washington) was from Oregon and had a history involving one domestic violence charge, two divorces, and three marriages. STFU, Stickney.
But after about three seconds, I started talking to everyone I knew about the importance of approving R-71. Unfortunately, I can't talk to all of eastern Washington, but it's nice to see that (hopefully) the western half will carry the vote through to keep the domestic partnership law on the books.
I want to know how my dentist and his husband or my aunt and her partner are personally affecting Stickney, Gallagher, and every person in Maine and Washington who voted against him. Nobody's willing to answer that one (you cowardly, close-minded, hateful fucks). #gaymarriagemaine
In the rush of Maine hating lets not forget that thousands of Mainers volunteered, donated, and rallied for No on 1. And that we did so with minmal support from the big national LGBT orgs, and no support whatsoever from the DNC/White House. #gaymarriagemaine
@BlueMorpho: Thank you for saying this. I am very angry/hurt/disappointed but you can't judge the whole state on what happened yesterday. 99% of the people I know voted No on 1 and are crushed this happened.
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The opponents' argument reminds me of Betty Draper's comment to Carla when JFK is shot. The white person telling the black person that perhaps the country is not ready for civil rights. If the majority was willing to hand over civil rights to a minority, then there would be no need for a civil rights movement. We need the movement because there is oppression.
Yesterday's vote is sad. But I remember sitting in the women's center at my college in Vermont 13 years ago listening to somebody talk about the campaign for gay marriage and compare where we were then to where we are now. While we have lost many battles, we are slowly winning the fight. #gaymarriagemaine
@Lymed: It makes me so sad that you have to fight. Here in the UK there was, undoubtedly, some opposition to gay marriage, but nothing particularly 'mainstream'. It was passed into law with very little fuss in the end. Amazingly, British society has not collapsed. It is really hard for me to understand what the big deal is for so many Americans. It's a bit like the Janet Jackson 'wardrobe malfunction' breast-flash. Watching the outcry, the reaction of most Europeans was "WTF?" #gaymarriagemaine
@Lymed: Possibly because a lot of the people who felt oppressed just turned around and oppressed anyone who wasn't like them as soon as they hit the shore. Unfortunately. #gaymarriagemaine
"The democratic franchise turns from one of humanity's most noble inventions to one of its most odious when the rights of a minority are submitted to the brute electoral power of the majority. It is democratic vigilantism, an electoral lynching mob, a psychological pogrom that replaces the torch and the noose with the wounding and terrifying language of hate, prejudice and bigotry."
Can somebody stop the world? Because I'd really like to get off now.
I really wish I could say something meaningful and intelligent now, but I'm at a complete loss. So far, the only argument I've heard against marriage equality is based on religion. Silly me, but I thought in the US, the government/masses weren't allowed to force their religious views on others. Guess I was wrong. #gaymarriagemaine
Right now, this is so disheartening. But! There is good news.
History is on our side.
Yes, it might not happen today. Social change won't come overnight. It won't come quickly. But it will come. Just look at the leaps and bounds the GLBTQAII (I call them the Alphabet Soup Brigade, since I cannot remember all the letters) community has made. From Harvey Milk and Stonewall up to Queer as Folk and The L Word, gay people are now part of mainstream society.
There is still danger for many members of the Alphabet Soup Brigade, but you know, in not so many years, things will be different. 40 years from now, people will look at what has been happening and be baffled. How could people think such strange, outdated things?
This is one setback. There will be more. But there will also be progress. The more positive representations of gay (and other minorities) in the media, the more people are willing to interact openly with one another, the more we talk about these issues, the more accepted everyone will be. That "nice couple down the street" will just happen to be gay. Meeting someone's parents for the first time and seeing that they are the same sex won't be such a shock. These things will come. We just have to keep pushing for them, keep trying, and keep opening the door for dialogue, even when someone slams it in our faces. #gaymarriagemaine
@boxspelunker: That will be great for the people just starting out their lives 40 years from now, but, uh, I'll be tiptoeing into my 80s at that point and really don't want to be half of that adorable little old couple rolling up the aisle in their wheelchairs.
I want my fellow citizens to deign to allow me to do it now, while I can still sprint and skip with happiness. #gaymarriagemaine
Um, even if homosexual marriage were taught in public schools, only fucktards still think that it will "turn their kids gay." I mean, I knew about homosexuality since I was a little girl, growing up with gay family members...and um, with all that gay education I've managed to not "turn gay." Odd. I must be an exception. Or, you're born gay and all the homosexual marriage teachings in the world won't change that.
But that's not even the point, is it? The point is people, who typically are of the same group that wants government to stay out of their lives and calls Obama a socialist for bailing out the banks and wanting universal healthcare, do an about-face when it comes to gays because it's "icky" or "sinful" to them. YOU MAKE NO SENSE, ASSHOLES! Telling people who they can and cannot marry is government intervention, you fucking "conservative" hypocrites. #gaymarriagemaine
@JinxyMcDeath: that's why I think there just has to be an undercurrent of gay self loathing in the anti gay movement. What straight person thinks, "once people hear about gay marriage, EVERYONE will want to do it!" It is so bewildering. #gaymarriagemaine
@JinxyMcDeath: Uggh, my least favorite part of the GOP (and there are many, many things I had to think through to come to this) is that they want as little government as possible, EXCEPT when it involves the most personal aspects of your life, like your lover, potential children, etc. HYPOCRISY. #gaymarriagemaine
The fear mongering is absolutely revolting. Please tell me how allowing a couple deeply in love to marry and make their union legally recognized by the state does ANYTHING to their fancy little church marriage? Do you think they want to kidnap you and force you to marry them? And to hear people CHEERING for inequality makes my heart ache. #gaymarriagemaine
@ElleL: I don't get it either. NOT allowing a couple deeply in love to marry and make their union legally recognized by the state CHEAPENS and DEGRADES my church marriage (for the record - it was the Episcopal church). I am more strongly committed to equality in marriage now than I was when I was single because I'm ashamed to be part of such an elitist institution. #gaymarriagemaine
@Antrack: It's just so upsetting... to hear people who are supposed to be championing the teaching of Jesus, whose #1 rule was LOVE EVERYONE, using this to deny others? No.
Congratulations on your marriage, I know not all congregations feel that way, and you shouldn't be ashamed of marrying in a church. We all have to work harder to make equality happen. #gaymarriagemaine
@TheFormerJuneBronson: I can't believe that some folks still can't see gays as people with real love. They still see it as a lifestyle. I can't even...GODDAMMIT! #gaymarriagemaine
@Triana Orpheus: I know. I have a pile of my own shit to deal with today, and it's sucking up my outrage, but I'm just sad and sick about this happening. I've been so proud of New England. I know Mainers are better than this. I want to be proud of them too. #gaymarriagemaine
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It should be now, of course. No one should have to wait for equality. It's disgusting and unfair that civil rights issues like this take as long as they do, have as many setbacks as they do, and require so much work and frustration and disillusion.
There's no way to change every mind, but it's heartbreaking to see something that should never, ever, be up to popular vote...be legitimized in some way and go counter to the basic tenants of our system. Which is that the rights of the minority should NEVER be subject to the whims of the majority. That is a fundamental issue in our system. The fact that many people seem to believe they have the right to decide what version of equality other people get to have saddens me. Something is broken in anyone who believes that.
I wish I could tell my LGBT friends that this will change soon. That this fight will not have to go on for years, or decades, and we'll see this in our lifetimes. I hope that we will. I think we move for change in the world faster than we used to. I can only hope we do. And continue to fight for it.
Bigotry will, I think, always exist. But we can't ever let it dictate our lives and access to equality. So we'll always have to fight. And though it's frustrating and discouraging...it's worth it.
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Regarding the whole Catholic situation, I think it's possible to overcome that. Look at Spain, one of the first countries to approve gay marriage. You have many religious people there, many non-religious too, and they seem to respect each other.
Also many young people there who identify themsleves as Catholics but who don't agree with many conservative issues. A few call them hypocrites, I call them just people who move with the times and who have decided to be dissidents from within.
I still feel sad though, but I have a bit of hope.
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"There’s good news and bad news here. The good news is that even in one of the most liberal States in the Union, Maine, the people have once again rejected the ridiculous and oxymoronic notion of ‘same sex marriage.’ The momentum has again shifted – hopefully for good this time – in favor of protecting legitimate marriage. A counterfeit is a counterfeit. An orange is an orange no matter how much you want it to be a turnip. This isn’t about ‘marriage.’ It’s about hurting and broken people desperately seeking affirmation of an objectively deviant lifestyle. One that, even in their heart of hearts, they know to be a dead end. As for the militant ‘No on 1’ homosexual activists? I’m reminded of spoiled children dressing up and playing house, refusing to come in when mom calls for dinner. Here’s the bad news. The margin of victory could have been greater. Many behind the ‘Yes on 1’ campaign, rather than simply telling the truth, chose the Neville Chamberlain approach. They merely circled the wagons around the word ‘marriage,’ even suggesting that ‘domestic partnerships’ (‘gay marriages’ by another name) are acceptable. This makes no sense. If that’s a viable compromise, then why not simply allow 'gay' duos the word ‘marriage’? It’s an incongruity that demands an explanation. This is an historic battle for the minds and souls of our children – for our very culture. The mealy-mouthed approach must end. This is not just about ‘marriage.’ It has everything to do with forced affirmation of homosexuality – under penalty of law." —Liberty Counsel and Liberty Alliance Action director Matt Barber, on Maine's outcome
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I'm all for everyone having their opinions but this is flat out hatred. Let's just go ahead and call a spade a spade, shall we?! #gaymarriagemaine
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This is Maggie Gallagher, the President of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), the group that actively campaigns against gay marriage and the LGBT community in general. She is a hateful, hateful woman.
There's a four-letter word she deserves to be called. I'll leave it all to you to decide what that word is.
Going into the election, I think most of us in the LGBT community knew Maine was going to be a difficult, and close, battle. And while the results here in Washington State are looking favorable for our "everything but marriage" law, it's still heartbreaking. And frustrating that out-of-state groups and donors are effectively dictating state laws and policy, intentionally misleading voters. And for what? To preserve their already admittedly broken and ruined marriages? Their infidelities and lies?
Fuck that.
I'm tired of these groups running behind the pearly white robes of Jesus to justify their hatred. Tired of the lies, and the claims that they're doing this because they care about children and families and preserving the 'natural order.' If you cared so much, then the tens-of-thousands of dollars spent on hateful advertising to stop gay marriage could be better used to helping family and children that are homeless, or starving, or in need of medical care. Not fattening their own wallets so they can afford expensive cars and homes and clothing for their non-stop media appearances.
So tired of this shit, and tired of having to fight for what should just be. I don't blame the citizens of Maine, there was always going to be those who voted in favor of Question 1, but those behind the campaigns? The NOMs and religious organizations? You. You I blame. And you will go down. Because you're a dying breed.
(OK, that was more ranty than I anticipated.) #gaymarriagemaine
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But after about three seconds, I started talking to everyone I knew about the importance of approving R-71. Unfortunately, I can't talk to all of eastern Washington, but it's nice to see that (hopefully) the western half will carry the vote through to keep the domestic partnership law on the books.
I want to know how my dentist and his husband or my aunt and her partner are personally affecting Stickney, Gallagher, and every person in Maine and Washington who voted against him. Nobody's willing to answer that one (you cowardly, close-minded, hateful fucks). #gaymarriagemaine
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Sometimes people need, as a group, to be taken by the scruffs of their necks and SHAKEN. And I'm serious about that.
Was the national Constitutional amendment giving suffrage to women put to a popular vote? #gaymarriagemaine
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Yesterday's vote is sad. But I remember sitting in the women's center at my college in Vermont 13 years ago listening to somebody talk about the campaign for gay marriage and compare where we were then to where we are now. While we have lost many battles, we are slowly winning the fight. #gaymarriagemaine
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I really wish I could say something meaningful and intelligent now, but I'm at a complete loss. So far, the only argument I've heard against marriage equality is based on religion. Silly me, but I thought in the US, the government/masses weren't allowed to force their religious views on others. Guess I was wrong. #gaymarriagemaine
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History is on our side.
Yes, it might not happen today. Social change won't come overnight. It won't come quickly. But it will come. Just look at the leaps and bounds the GLBTQAII (I call them the Alphabet Soup Brigade, since I cannot remember all the letters) community has made. From Harvey Milk and Stonewall up to Queer as Folk and The L Word, gay people are now part of mainstream society.
There is still danger for many members of the Alphabet Soup Brigade, but you know, in not so many years, things will be different. 40 years from now, people will look at what has been happening and be baffled. How could people think such strange, outdated things?
This is one setback. There will be more. But there will also be progress. The more positive representations of gay (and other minorities) in the media, the more people are willing to interact openly with one another, the more we talk about these issues, the more accepted everyone will be. That "nice couple down the street" will just happen to be gay. Meeting someone's parents for the first time and seeing that they are the same sex won't be such a shock. These things will come. We just have to keep pushing for them, keep trying, and keep opening the door for dialogue, even when someone slams it in our faces. #gaymarriagemaine
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I want my fellow citizens to deign to allow me to do it now, while I can still sprint and skip with happiness. #gaymarriagemaine
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But that's not even the point, is it? The point is people, who typically are of the same group that wants government to stay out of their lives and calls Obama a socialist for bailing out the banks and wanting universal healthcare, do an about-face when it comes to gays because it's "icky" or "sinful" to them. YOU MAKE NO SENSE, ASSHOLES! Telling people who they can and cannot marry is government intervention, you fucking "conservative" hypocrites. #gaymarriagemaine
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Congratulations on your marriage, I know not all congregations feel that way, and you shouldn't be ashamed of marrying in a church. We all have to work harder to make equality happen. #gaymarriagemaine
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