I actually don't have too much trouble with that law. Those types are on the books everywhere. In Charlotte, NC it is illegal for women to appear in public wearing less than 16 yards of fabric and they're not supposed to wear red shoes in Charleston, SC. It's silly that they've never bothered to repeal it, but there are laws like that all over the place that just never got repealed. As long as no one is actually being arrested for wearing trousers in public I don't particularly care. #paristrousers
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: I have no problem with these laws unless they're enforced. Like when I can't by liquor in my beloved homestate of CT on a Sunday, or how more than 6(?) women can't live together in MA. I just don't GET Blue Laws. As my husband says, "They're not like the laws of physics: you can change them!" #paristrousers
@LaComtesse: I do hate blue laws something fierce. I used to cashier at a grocery store and people would get all pissy about it, like I had some say in the matter. Our cash registers wouldn't even LET US ring up liquor Sunday mornings. Write your congresspeople!
Also, in Florida it's illegal to shower while naked. #paristrousers
@LaComtesse: Some laws, however, I wish would be enforced -- in some parts of TX it is illegal to spit on the sidewalk. I wade through about 3" of spit on my way out to my car on a thursday or friday night. Texas rednecks HATE to swallow their own spit. And they love activities which require them to spit (like dip). #paristrousers
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: In CT, more than 6 (or maybe 7) women in a house constitutes a brothel and it's considered illegal. That's why there are hardly any sororities at Connecticut schools. #paristrousers
@femme-bot: I can tell you personally that the sizable Orthodox Jewish community in Bergen, who can only do their leisure shopping on Sundays, do NOT appreciate this. #paristrousers
@femme-bot: I can tell you personally that the sizable Orthodox Jewish community in Bergen, who can only do their leisure shopping on Sundays, do NOT appreciate this. #paristrousers
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: I feel you, Zombie. I live in Georgia and worked at Kroger last summer. EVERY single Sunday, people would angrily lecture me about the stupidity of banning Sunday alcohol sales, and I was always dumbfounded. I mean, seriously? What, you think I, a college-age cashier, wrote the legislature regulating alcohol sales? #paristrousers
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: @PipPipCheerio: I'm pretty sure my mother and grandmother do this everywhere they go. One day my grandmother even tried to make the argument that since they didn't live in the state, it shouldn't matter. In their defense, they really do want their gin. Really.
P.S. @PipPipCheerio: I really like your commenter name and avatar. A LOT.
@femme-bot: There's no Ikea in Short Hill *shakes fist*! Besides, it's shooting the county in the foot--that's a LOT of business they're missing out on.
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: My two favourites: In Atlanta you can't tie a giraffe to a telephone pole. And in Lexington, KY you can't carry an ice cream cone in your pocket. #paristrousers
@colormeroutine: In Ireland, they repealed a law against Jews owning certain kinds of armour about four years ago. Which makes me (as an Irish Jew) desperately wish I'd bought some armour before that point, just to stick it to the man. #paristrousers
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: I care about these laws, since they set a precedent for dress codes. In workplaces here in CA, women are sometimes expected to wear skirts or dresses for "formal" attire. Companies often use dress codes as an excuse to fire women, not to promote women, or not to hire them in the first place. It's not unusual to hear a working woman's outfit get labeled "provocative" (a label never used on men), or to hear a woman who wears pantsuits get called "dowdy" and "unfeminine" (or other things Hillary Clinton was called during the '08 campaign.)
Dress codes are both written and unwritten, and the fact that women in CA could still be forced to wear skirts in the workplace up until 1995 is depressing (in 1995, women in CA got the right to wear pants to work. Until then, there were cases where workplaces could pressure or force women to wear skirts.) #paristrousers
@roxythekiller: This is why, if God loves me, I will never ever have to have a job where jeans are not acceptable. So far I've managed pretty well. #paristrousers
I have no tolerance for any dress codes, except for those advocating cleanliness and safety. Basically, a person's right to freedom of expression ends when my or their health is seriously threatened (or I can smell them before I see them.) That's always been my take.
However, these concepts are sometimes confused with pseudo-science, and pseudo-science is sometimes used in furthering prejudicical dress code rules. For example, curly hair is not messy of flea-ridden, although the prejudice that it is has lead to written and unwritten dress codes that forced women to straighten their hair in order to be "clean."
I'm familiar with this because I have very curly hair, and wore short skirts in high school. Somehow, the former was translated to "messy" (since most people in my school were born with straight hair, and thought I had fleas. Some people suggested I buy a brush in order to look "neater.") Short skirts translated not only to being labeled as "slutty", but lead to me getting pulled out of class multiple times--- and to several angry phonecalls from a cranky school official who threatened my mom with child negligence. Apparently, wearing a short skirt causes you to get colds!
When I did get sick, it wasn't from the cold... it was from the stress and lack of sleep caused by high weekend-homework loads as well as the stress of constantly being insulted and belittled by adults for the way I chose to dress (and it usually was adults. The classmates who criticized me were often trying to copy the adults, and seem like "good girls" or "moral young men." This was actually why I wore the skirt... I did not like how dress codes divided girls in my school into "Good" and "Bad.")
The situation grew so frustrating that I played sick so I could work from home, and not have to deal with bullies. I was not the only one who did this.
And, before anyone starts making the "short skirts are distracting" argument, let me just say that cute boys with long, dark bangs are also distracting to a sex-deprived girl like me, but that it would be silly to call them out of class for being "provocative" and "distracting." Anything that isn't Christian, Straight, White, Upper-middle-class and "mainstream" has been singled out in a dress code at one point or another throughout US and European history.
I know that not everyone understands where I'm coming from, and that I will have to compromise at some point by putting on a suit and tie. However, I will actively choose to not be a member of the Fashion Police. We all have the power not to single out people who buck dress codes, and we can all avoid judging people by their clothing. #paristrousers
@A Small Turnip: The only good comments on that thread are the suggestions that women go to their local police stations en masse and ask for permission to wear trousers. I'm a firm believer in repealing stupid laws through driving those responsible for their enforcement crazy enough to complain to their elected officials.
Last year, I started eating Activia regularly because I thought it was good for my diet but then it actually gave me digestive problems, of the worst kind. I thought I was developing hemmorhoids, sorry TMI but ever since I stopped eating it, I've been fine with no problems! I knew something was up with this stuff! :[
Thing is, pretty much any yogurt can help get you regular again...they just gave their active cultures a special magical name and pretended it was better than the stuff that's in every other brand of yogurt, so they could charge you more for it.
But I also had a constipation problem. I reduced the amount of milk and cheese I eat (drink a glass of soy milk every day instead), and eat yogurt with granola every morning. Regular as clockwork now.
@Blitzgal: Yep, I remember freshman year I ate one everyday at lunch (fear of other things in the dining hall really) and it was literally clockwork, just as you say ..
Yeah, but in the commercial it doesn't REALLY say what it's for. It doesn't say "it makes you poop." It just implies it's good for your belly...so I can see how people are confused. PS...is there a real market for the chronically constipated? Does anyone else know a middle-aged woman with this problem?
@PoisonPixie: YES, and most sufferers are women (most ads for stuff like this is aimed at women for that reason: they are the market). It really, really sucks. I have literally gone to the hospital with constipation. It is the second most pain I have ever been in and when you consider that the first worst is a chronic neurological syndrome then you know it’s bad. (Also, I'm only 26.)
@CurtCole: Aw! JLC is awesome. A Fish Called Wanda? Trading Places? Plus, she's married to Christopher Guest.
I was hoping the poop yogurt would be a passing thing for her.... so to speak...
@CurtCole: Point taken. I had blocked out Freaky Friday. I still love her. She seems like one of the few actresses who is actually enjoying getting older.
I agree with the courts decision, not only because it represents both parents, but because the young girl should be exposed to the diversity present in modern America.
I grew up in a Christian neighborhood, and the reaction when my publicly schooled, non-religious, large family moved in was disastrous. Christian children weren't allowed to play with non-Christian children. Non-Christians couldn't use the common green space on Sundays.
What kind of values are these? What happens when little Jimmy and Sally Christian grow up? What kind of job will they be able to get where only Christians are hired?
Children should learn acceptance. Plain and simple.
@Erinthebitch: But do the courts have a right to mandate acceptance and diversity of ideas? Should the Supreme Court close religious schools, or just dictate that their approach to comparative religions is sufficiently relative and inclusive?
The question is this: do parents have a right to choose what values and beliefs they will teach their children? I think they do. And frankly, while I may think parents have an ethical obligation to allow their children to play with children from different backgrounds, they have no LEGAL obligation to do, and the state does not have the right to impose one.
@lizdexia: Guess what? The court in this case completely agrees with your second paragraph.
The state is not trying to impose a damn thing that at least one of this girl's parents doesn't want. No matter how they ruled, they would have gone against the wishes of one of her parents and with the wishes of the other. And since the parents are the ones who wanted it this way, I don't see the point in getting all bunched up about it.
What we should all glean from this is that we need to be adults and learn how to work out our differences with others- including former spouses- and learn to compromise lest we be tempted to take them to court, thereby running the risk of a verdict against our wishes. If her parents were able to be adults about this (and from the court docs, it sounds like maybe her dad is and her mom isn't) then this wouldn't have ever even been a case.
@slowpoke.r: I'm not actually arguing with the legal reasoning - the case was about balancing the rights of parents with the interests of the child. The home schooling was the object of their conflict, not really an issue of itself. My issues was with the argument of the poster to whom I replied.
Hmmm. I'm a homeschool graduate (5th-12th grade). And although my parents' main reasons for homeschooling me and my sibling were mainly religious, they made every effort to fully educate and socialize us.
This seems like a pretty outrageous case of the courts intervening where the parents should have maybe worked it out between themselves.
That said, homeschoolers ARE super wary of the courts taking away their right to educate at home- the laws vary pretty wildly from state to state, and they often ARE forced to take legal action in order to not lose that right completely.
@OK_NiceLegs (formerly: thevickinator): If you read the decision, you'll see that the parents were completely incapable of working this out for themselves. They asked the court to decide it for them.
@slowpoke.r: Yeah, I did read it (after posting my intial-reaction comment) and all of the legal-ese comments below.
It seems, at first blush, to be pretty outrageous, but I see now that the 'homeschool community' is over-reacting and not understanding the legal complications that the custody issues are adding to the situation. 'Cause most homeschoolers, are 2 parent households and mom stays home to teach (most religious ones anyway, not all).
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Also, in Florida it's illegal to shower while naked. #paristrousers
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P.S. @PipPipCheerio: I really like your commenter name and avatar. A LOT.
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Dress codes are both written and unwritten, and the fact that women in CA could still be forced to wear skirts in the workplace up until 1995 is depressing (in 1995, women in CA got the right to wear pants to work. Until then, there were cases where workplaces could pressure or force women to wear skirts.) #paristrousers
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However, these concepts are sometimes confused with pseudo-science, and pseudo-science is sometimes used in furthering prejudicical dress code rules. For example, curly hair is not messy of flea-ridden, although the prejudice that it is has lead to written and unwritten dress codes that forced women to straighten their hair in order to be "clean."
I'm familiar with this because I have very curly hair, and wore short skirts in high school. Somehow, the former was translated to "messy" (since most people in my school were born with straight hair, and thought I had fleas. Some people suggested I buy a brush in order to look "neater.") Short skirts translated not only to being labeled as "slutty", but lead to me getting pulled out of class multiple times--- and to several angry phonecalls from a cranky school official who threatened my mom with child negligence. Apparently, wearing a short skirt causes you to get colds!
When I did get sick, it wasn't from the cold... it was from the stress and lack of sleep caused by high weekend-homework loads as well as the stress of constantly being insulted and belittled by adults for the way I chose to dress (and it usually was adults. The classmates who criticized me were often trying to copy the adults, and seem like "good girls" or "moral young men." This was actually why I wore the skirt... I did not like how dress codes divided girls in my school into "Good" and "Bad.")
The situation grew so frustrating that I played sick so I could work from home, and not have to deal with bullies. I was not the only one who did this.
And, before anyone starts making the "short skirts are distracting" argument, let me just say that cute boys with long, dark bangs are also distracting to a sex-deprived girl like me, but that it would be silly to call them out of class for being "provocative" and "distracting." Anything that isn't Christian, Straight, White, Upper-middle-class and "mainstream" has been singled out in a dress code at one point or another throughout US and European history.
I know that not everyone understands where I'm coming from, and that I will have to compromise at some point by putting on a suit and tie. However, I will actively choose to not be a member of the Fashion Police. We all have the power not to single out people who buck dress codes, and we can all avoid judging people by their clothing. #paristrousers
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They systematically dismantle the lovely idea that with education comes sense, one ill-chosen word at a time. #paristrousers
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But I also had a constipation problem. I reduced the amount of milk and cheese I eat (drink a glass of soy milk every day instead), and eat yogurt with granola every morning. Regular as clockwork now.
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Something tells me Jamie Lee Curtis will have to start doing movies again...so everybody loses.
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I was hoping the poop yogurt would be a passing thing for her.... so to speak...
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I grew up in a Christian neighborhood, and the reaction when my publicly schooled, non-religious, large family moved in was disastrous. Christian children weren't allowed to play with non-Christian children. Non-Christians couldn't use the common green space on Sundays.
What kind of values are these? What happens when little Jimmy and Sally Christian grow up? What kind of job will they be able to get where only Christians are hired?
Children should learn acceptance. Plain and simple.
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The question is this: do parents have a right to choose what values and beliefs they will teach their children? I think they do. And frankly, while I may think parents have an ethical obligation to allow their children to play with children from different backgrounds, they have no LEGAL obligation to do, and the state does not have the right to impose one.
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The state is not trying to impose a damn thing that at least one of this girl's parents doesn't want. No matter how they ruled, they would have gone against the wishes of one of her parents and with the wishes of the other. And since the parents are the ones who wanted it this way, I don't see the point in getting all bunched up about it.
What we should all glean from this is that we need to be adults and learn how to work out our differences with others- including former spouses- and learn to compromise lest we be tempted to take them to court, thereby running the risk of a verdict against our wishes. If her parents were able to be adults about this (and from the court docs, it sounds like maybe her dad is and her mom isn't) then this wouldn't have ever even been a case.
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This seems like a pretty outrageous case of the courts intervening where the parents should have maybe worked it out between themselves.
That said, homeschoolers ARE super wary of the courts taking away their right to educate at home- the laws vary pretty wildly from state to state, and they often ARE forced to take legal action in order to not lose that right completely.
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It seems, at first blush, to be pretty outrageous, but I see now that the 'homeschool community' is over-reacting and not understanding the legal complications that the custody issues are adding to the situation. 'Cause most homeschoolers, are 2 parent households and mom stays home to teach (most religious ones anyway, not all).