@sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell: Hmm, I'm female and I have watched quite a bit of Jenna Jameson and have been appeased many times by gazing at her. And besides, so what? Why is it anyone else's business what her purpose is in doing what she is doing (or did in the past)? And do all of the models who are not porn stars in the world who also make money by being sexually alluring to men garner vitriol from you? Or is there something special about Jenna
My husband and I watch porn pretty often and have since we got married many years ago. I've noticed that as I get older, I want to watch it less and less because it seems like none of the women are really enjoying themselves and sometimes even doing things they don't want to. There was one that we had to turn off because we were so concerned for the woman that we couldn't really get into it. I'm now at the point that I really only want to watch girl on girl because it seems more about pleasure and less about how hard some gigantic dude can pound a small woman or gag her with his dick. My sister and her husband exclusively watch porn from the 70s and 80s for this reason as well.
I didn't watch the show, but if Oprah seemed like she wasn't buying what Jenna was selling, why did she have her on her show? Oprah answers to no one so it doesn't make sense that she would do a show on a topic that offends her. I know it is hard to fill a season with shows, but Oprah has enough influence on her show and her audience to decide what she broadcasts. #jennajamesonoprah
@PersonOfInterest: I read that Oprah's ratings have been sliding and she is facing the loss of syndication. If either are true, it might explain why she would want to take on such a controversial subject.
I do recall seeing a documentary about Jenna (I am pretty sure it was her) a number of years back. At the time I really felt sorry for her as her life seemed in such a mess. I am glad she has managed to turn things around.
I think that it should be mentioned that Oprah probably had to go softball on Palin to book her on the show. That deal was negotiated to the n-th degree, unlike the typical situation with an Oprah guest.
As for Jenna, lets also remember that Oprah herself probably has mixed emotions about sexuality and how a woman uses it to succeed. From a business standpoint, she and Jenna have a lot in common. They are both wildly successful, self-made women. However, Jenna clearly makes other women uncomfortable by embracing her sexuality in such a way that fulfills men's desires, whereas many women have fought against sexualization at every turn to struggle to be taken seriously. Of course, Oprah also has a history of sexual victimization and dysfunction, so her relationship to sex and physical desire is probably further complicated.
In other words, I think Oprah was reflecting the general prejudice of her typical audience (and probably trying to inject some humor to ease awkwardness), but clearly has a complicated relationship to sexuality and porn herself. #jennajamesonoprah
I didn't think Oprah was so bad from these clips, except for the comment about how the other PTA mothers probably didn't want their husbands going over to her house.
That comment was very rude. It's hard to put my finger on it, because it wasn't a random jab, and it was in context, but still - it felt like she was accusing Jenna of being someone with no moral qualms about having an affair with a married man. And it was an uncomfortable reminder about her sexualization - but in a conversation that was supposed to be about the impact of her career on her children! It felt rude and inappropriate and judgmental. #jennajamesonoprah
Considering the target audience here is suburban women, I actually thought this came out pretty respectful and even-handed. With a sense of humor! Did anyone ever see the Tyra episode with Sasha Grey? That show is supposed to be "current" by comparison and that interview was so condescending and judgmental I just about cried. #jennajamesonoprah
@Awestruck: For anyone who hasn't seen it, THIS is what sexual hypocrisy looks like. Congrats, Tyra, you're hot enough that men wanted to masturbate to you in a bikini rather than naked and screwing, clearly the moral highground is yours. #jennajamesonoprah
Can someone please give Lisa Ling her own show? Maybe she can replace Lou Dobbs. She just made talking about boners sound incredibly intellectual. #jennajamesonoprah
It's interesting to not how Oprah emphasizes the conflict between motherhood and sexuality, in that it becomes problematic for "wholesome" moms to allow their families to associate with the Jamesons. Many of us have, or are mothers who at one point in life have been highly sexual beings; that Jameson's sexual experience is publicly documented seems to set her fundamentally apart from those whose sexual history is private, is a compelling statement about the deeply negative attitudes towards sex, and especially female sexuality that still persist.
I didn't catch the whole episode, but was it even suggested that not all women who like porn need to watch it? That Harlequin has been booming despite the recession? That the majority of slash fanfic readers and writers are women? No? We need to watch the same old blond T&A? Yawn. #jennajamesonoprah
I have seen some of her movies, and unless she was turning down the money to maintain her amateur status she is a "professional." And for the record, "you taught me how to give oral sex, and my husband thanks you" is not a question.
In regards to the once a porn star always a porn star thing...
I had a friend who was in a couple of videos. It was a very bad period for her and I think that she seriously regrets it now but she's told me this as well. When she breaks up with a dude it's always the first thing he throws in her face. It's sad. #jennajamesonoprah
@geeurock: That is so incredibly wrong. A person's past is not a subject for current grievances unless they're actually responsible for them (ie, cheated multiple times and then cheated in the current relationship or something). There isn't a single person alive who hasn't done something that, later, they maybe wish they hadn't. It doesn't mean they should be constantly judged for it. #jennajamesonoprah
@tiredfairy: So you're saying she's not responsible for choosing her own career?
And sorry, but there's a teensy bit of a difference between maybe having stolen a pack of gum as a teenager and having had hundreds of random guys' penises inside you, with all the delightful chances of disease that brings to you and all your future sex partners. There are things in people's pasts that are in fact worth some cause for concern. #jennajamesonoprah
@smizmar: Wow. That' s not what I said at all. And what career? A few videos isn't a career. Or hundred's of penises. A person can have some questionable sexual encounters in life and never have a "career" in it. And if she's honest with the people she's in a relationship with about that past, you don't get to throw that in someone's face forever. If it bothers you, then end it when it they tell you. Don't bring it up only at the end of the relationship if you've known all along.
I would hope any relationship would involve STD disclosure/tests before non-condom/protected sex. Regardless of whether a partner has been in porn or not.
My point was that disclosure is fine, even important, but throwing something back in someone's face when you break up later that they did BEFORE you were together is not. The fact that this girl is telling her partners tells me she IS taking responsibility. And that they're okay with it until later when they break up. That's really different.
It's absolutely fine not to get into a relationship with someone with a past you don't agree with. It's a little less fine to be told about that past, say you accept it, and then either throw it back at them every chance you get, or use it during a breakup. That doesn't strike you as somewhat different?
Sorry, but I think you entirely missed the content of my post. #jennajamesonoprah
@smizmar: Yeah but I think as long as you knew this going in to the relationship you shouldn't use it against them in the end. Well, assuming it doesn't pop up in the middle of the relationship. Like..if person A used to cheat on their S/O, then person A started dating person B. Assuming person A never cheated on B, B shouldn't be able to pull out the "YEAH WELL YOU CHEATED ON PEOPLE" card.
Same goes for porn. Assuming they've been tested several times, came up negative and didn't do more porn during the relationship..they shouldn't be able to use their porn history as ammo
@anteup: Ype, that's my take. If someone has done something in their past you don't like, you either deal with it, or don't. But bringing it up during fights or breakups if you accepted it to begin with seems screwed up to me. #jennajamesonoprah
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a why song? "Jenna disgusts me" is a quote, because you said it. When the sentence ends, your quote ends.
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I do recall seeing a documentary about Jenna (I am pretty sure it was her) a number of years back. At the time I really felt sorry for her as her life seemed in such a mess. I am glad she has managed to turn things around.
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I don't really feel free to judge.
I've also always kind of liked Jameson. I also like Megan Fox.
So sue me. #jennajamesonoprah
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As for Jenna, lets also remember that Oprah herself probably has mixed emotions about sexuality and how a woman uses it to succeed. From a business standpoint, she and Jenna have a lot in common. They are both wildly successful, self-made women. However, Jenna clearly makes other women uncomfortable by embracing her sexuality in such a way that fulfills men's desires, whereas many women have fought against sexualization at every turn to struggle to be taken seriously. Of course, Oprah also has a history of sexual victimization and dysfunction, so her relationship to sex and physical desire is probably further complicated.
In other words, I think Oprah was reflecting the general prejudice of her typical audience (and probably trying to inject some humor to ease awkwardness), but clearly has a complicated relationship to sexuality and porn herself. #jennajamesonoprah
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That comment was very rude. It's hard to put my finger on it, because it wasn't a random jab, and it was in context, but still - it felt like she was accusing Jenna of being someone with no moral qualms about having an affair with a married man. And it was an uncomfortable reminder about her sexualization - but in a conversation that was supposed to be about the impact of her career on her children! It felt rude and inappropriate and judgmental. #jennajamesonoprah
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Yeah, that interview was awful, Tyra Banks is so much more judgmental and arrogant than Oprah could ever be. #jennajamesonoprah
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Dear lord, I think I'm going to have to actually join twitter to get my fix. #lindsaylohantwitter
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Also, some stuff at Happy Ending tonight and some upcoming shows at Santos Party House. [twitter.com]
You're welcome. #lindsaylohantwitter
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I had a friend who was in a couple of videos. It was a very bad period for her and I think that she seriously regrets it now but she's told me this as well. When she breaks up with a dude it's always the first thing he throws in her face. It's sad. #jennajamesonoprah
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And sorry, but there's a teensy bit of a difference between maybe having stolen a pack of gum as a teenager and having had hundreds of random guys' penises inside you, with all the delightful chances of disease that brings to you and all your future sex partners. There are things in people's pasts that are in fact worth some cause for concern. #jennajamesonoprah
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I would hope any relationship would involve STD disclosure/tests before non-condom/protected sex. Regardless of whether a partner has been in porn or not.
My point was that disclosure is fine, even important, but throwing something back in someone's face when you break up later that they did BEFORE you were together is not. The fact that this girl is telling her partners tells me she IS taking responsibility. And that they're okay with it until later when they break up. That's really different.
It's absolutely fine not to get into a relationship with someone with a past you don't agree with. It's a little less fine to be told about that past, say you accept it, and then either throw it back at them every chance you get, or use it during a breakup. That doesn't strike you as somewhat different?
Sorry, but I think you entirely missed the content of my post. #jennajamesonoprah
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Same goes for porn. Assuming they've been tested several times, came up negative and didn't do more porn during the relationship..they shouldn't be able to use their porn history as ammo
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