I don't think wanting models to be thin has anything to do with misogyny...models are supposed to be clothes hangers and show off the clothing, not their own beauty, per se. Misogyny only comes in when you demand all women look that way and are not women if they come in other sizes, or if you criticize the women who are naturally thin (my friend, for example, is 5' 4" and 105 lbs. and she eats whatever the hell she wants). And it's understandable to be worried about models losing too much weight. But I don't think it has anything to do with gays wanting models to look like men.
@marzipane: I used to feel this way, too. About models as walking substitutes for clothes hangers. But it seems to me they could save money and just send clothes hangers down the runway on a rotating wire. Doesn't get skinnier than that!
It's hard for me to say this delicately, but... Seeing models in magazines makes me feel bad about my body. Seeing models on billboards makes me feel bad about my body. In many ways, the fashion industry has made it difficult for me to accept my own body. I know I'm not the only one.
Myers' description is filled with vitriol, yes. And I understand that it isn't the responsibility of the fashion industry to make women feel better about themselves. But are we saying that models don't snort cocaine? That most of them don't have disordered eating?
>>a comatose orchid being ravished by a series of priapic wasps<<
To me, this could describe that Calvin Klein billboard that was posted the other day; I don't think it was some conjured-up image that he wanks off to nightly. The guy was writing an *opinion* piece based on the images that the fashion industry itself proffers.
I have a hard time defending the beleaguered model minority in this case, because I just don't feel that bad for them. And I fail to see how the fashion industry is good for women, in any way. So go ahead, rip me to shreds, but I can't appreciate/support any industry that looks at my size 12 ass and thinks "FAT."
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: Only a very teeny tiny population has actual hand-ons experience in the industry, but everyone has a fucking opinion. This is also true of: how college admissions work, what foreigners are like, military culture. And I say that as a military brat/former college admissions officer who lived overseas for three years after college and now works in a fashion house in New York. Basically every life I've had has been in some sort of field that people attribute a lot of nefarious shit to, and I've spent a lot of time sighing and explaining. Most people hate it when you actually try to calmly explain some aspect of the industry/culture, because it interrupts their precious worldview.
@ChildBride: "Most people hate it when you actually try to calmly explain some aspect of the industry/culture, because it interrupts their precious worldview."
*snort*
I grew up in a family full of attorneys and academics. I truly empathize.
You work in the industry? Will you dress me?
Seriously, I need a consultant. I will listen to what you say about my colors are, and I would really appreciate it if someone could tell me whether or not the purported effects of MUFE HD makeup are a great big marketing fake.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: Ha ha ha my ex was an English professor. He also looked like a biker, which always discombobulated people (not least of all my mother) who were expecting Harold Bloom to show up. Speaking of precious worldviews, how dare I disagree with Gayatri Spivak/The Nation/NPR!
I did notice that you ignored my plea for a fashion consultant. Are you just ignoring me on the grounds that given my family/professional background I'm potentially irredeemable?
Everyone knows all models dress like lesbians these days.
(And even though I've witnessed some... 'unkind' attitudes towards womanity by gay males in the fashion industry, this column was silly and unresearched.)
So, this bloke thinks gay men want women to look as "boyish" as possible. But, I've heard other classy dudez declare that men who are open to dating larger women are teh clozet geigh. IT DON"T MAKE NO SENSE! Halp!
"This emaciated elf eats on Tuesdays and her tiny peapod of a bowel sheds a shrivelled pebble or two about once a month. She hourly snorts cocaine like a bee smothering itself with pollen. At night, she lies listlessly akimbo beneath her many lovers, a comatose orchid being ravished by a series of priapic wasps."
Oh Lord. The Irish Independent is that most pathetic of papers, a sensationalist tabloid rag in the form of a broadsheet. Kevin Myers is that most pathetic of writers, that which writes controversial nonsense just so he seems like he's 'telling it how it is', and has no truck with 'political correctness gone mad'. The last time I remember him in the headlines was when he called the children of single parents 'bastards'.
I mean why, why bother writing an article about the fashion industry when he so patently hasn't a clue about any of it, and nor does his readership. The blind leading the blind into blind ignorance, I guess.
But he would never let a little thing like ignorance of the topic at hand stand between him and the opportunity to write 842 words of thundering copy about the "fascist industry" and its "Fourth Reich" of gay designers who want all women to look and dress "like a teenaged boy" - or else.
Guys, I...I have to come clean. Karl Lagerfeld beat me up last week and made me dress like a Jonas Brother! It was terrifying!
Gay Note: If you all looked like teenage boys it would just confuse us more...to the point where we would have to card each and everyone one of you. Where's the fun in that.
@greengrey (raidersofthelostSTAR): Then you're not hanging out with the right gay men. I buy all my girlfriends a round. Just so I can say the phrase "whatever baby wants; baby gets."
@greengrey (raidersofthelostSTAR): Also, if your gay sugar daddy is super hot, gay men trying to hit on him will also buy you drinks to look good! I get free drinks all the time from guys trying to get into my friends pants.
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Myers' description is filled with vitriol, yes. And I understand that it isn't the responsibility of the fashion industry to make women feel better about themselves. But are we saying that models don't snort cocaine? That most of them don't have disordered eating?
>>a comatose orchid being ravished by a series of priapic wasps<<
To me, this could describe that Calvin Klein billboard that was posted the other day; I don't think it was some conjured-up image that he wanks off to nightly. The guy was writing an *opinion* piece based on the images that the fashion industry itself proffers.
I have a hard time defending the beleaguered model minority in this case, because I just don't feel that bad for them. And I fail to see how the fashion industry is good for women, in any way. So go ahead, rip me to shreds, but I can't appreciate/support any industry that looks at my size 12 ass and thinks "FAT."
06/19/09
supported the invasion of Iraq
praised George Bush
anti-feminist (no big surprise here)
called the children of unmarried mothers 'bastards'
called the entire country of scotland 'obese'
I'm not surprised the Indo publishes his drivel. It's a tabloid masquerading as a broadsheet and it just seems to get worse every year.
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The man is a bottom-feeder. He is also, I suspect, a closet case.The self-loathing is strong in this one.
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You know, I've noticed that this does not stop a lot of people, but especially gasbag men full of themselves, from opening their mouths.
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And I say that as a military brat/former college admissions officer who lived overseas for three years after college and now works in a fashion house in New York. Basically every life I've had has been in some sort of field that people attribute a lot of nefarious shit to, and I've spent a lot of time sighing and explaining. Most people hate it when you actually try to calmly explain some aspect of the industry/culture, because it interrupts their precious worldview.
06/19/09
*snort*
I grew up in a family full of attorneys and academics. I truly empathize.
You work in the industry? Will you dress me?
Seriously, I need a consultant. I will listen to what you say about my colors are, and I would really appreciate it if someone could tell me whether or not the purported effects of MUFE HD makeup are a great big marketing fake.
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*rights self, dries eyes*
I did notice that you ignored my plea for a fashion consultant. Are you just ignoring me on the grounds that given my family/professional background I'm potentially irredeemable?
06/19/09
"Oh snap!" flowchart is definitely in order!
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(And even though I've witnessed some... 'unkind' attitudes towards womanity by gay males in the fashion industry, this column was silly and unresearched.)
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And, I suspect, about to be way overused.
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Who the hell is this wankshaft, LL Tolkien?
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I mean why, why bother writing an article about the fashion industry when he so patently hasn't a clue about any of it, and nor does his readership. The blind leading the blind into blind ignorance, I guess.
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Guys, I...I have to come clean. Karl Lagerfeld beat me up last week and made me dress like a Jonas Brother! It was terrifying!
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Clap....clap....clap...
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"Yes."
"Do you have a weiner?"
"Yes."
"Would you like a drink?"
"...ummm, you're scaring me."
See no fun, your logic fails sir!
06/19/09
Fuck, I wish I looked like I guy so I could trick gay men into buying me drinks!
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"Gay Sugar Daddy: All the Perks, None of the Work."
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