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Beets.Go.On is the Fat Yogini
11/23/09

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It took me three attempts to watch this completely through, because I felt like it would make me a better person or some shit, but no. It just makes my brain hurt. This is the sort of thing that makes me want to lose myself in a bottle. Goddamn.
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dcdulce
11/23/09

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I wonder how open they were be if the interviewer was from an ethnic persuasion..
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Ineedmorecowbell
11/23/09

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There should be a skill testing question prior to being allowed to vote.
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Beets.Go.On is the Fat Yogini
11/23/09

@Ineedmorecowbell: You know, that was outlawed, because it was used to discriminate against people like former slaves, their children, immigrants, and other people without access to adequate education. While I understand your sentiment, reinstating anything like that would disproportionately punish vulnerable populations more than these morons, so we must be careful with that line of thinking.
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JesiDangerously
11/23/09

@Ineedmorecowbell: Terrible idea.
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willwriteforfood
11/23/09

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The other day in the car, my bf and I were brainstorming what to get his mother for Christmas. I said what she really wanted - but would never ask her liberal sons for - is a copy of this book.

He nearly did one of those angry parent moves: Swerving across three lanes of traffic to squeal to a stop by the side of the road, gravel flying, and say "I'm turning this car around and we're going home RIGHT NOW!"

This is how much he hates Palin: He will not make his mother happy for Christmas if it means giving this political prom princess a red cent. I love a man with principles.
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missbitchy
11/23/09

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Is anyone else upset that one of them was wearing a LOTR sweatshirt? Gandalf would not approve of this shit.
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BetteD
11/23/09

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The guy in the Steelers jacket owns my life right now. Thanks peeps! I needed that laugh right now.
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mordicai
11/23/09

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GOTCHA QUESTIONS! Like: "Can you think of anything, one thing, for instance?"
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thecameralovesyou
11/23/09

@mordicai: This is like a Daily show segment. But even better cause there's no way these people know who this guy is.
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NefariousNewt
11/23/09

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It was a good interview. The only question is: will anyone actually learn from this? If you're a Republican strategist, you're probably quaking, because while Sarah Palin's personality is winning converts to the party, her lack of tangible policies and plans is going to be hard to sell to the middle-of-the-road Americans that must be courted for a candidate to win. If you're a Democratic strategist, you may be laughing to yourself at how "simple-minded" her followers seem, and that would be a mistake, because if the Reverend Jim Jones showed us anything, its that if you get people to believe in you, whether or not what you say makes sense, they will drink the Kool-Aid.
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SomeAuthorGirl
11/23/09

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Cap 'n trade, an' like, people are gonna suffer, an' Marxism, an' America, an' no compromises an' get rid of the polar bears an' stuff. Such as.

Hi, Sarah Palin supporters: This is why the intellectual elite look down on you. To quote Jon Stewart, it's all the... NOTHING.
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JesiDangerously
11/23/09

@SomeAuthorGirl: Compromise is for people who are WRONG. And we can't compromise with polar bears. We need to drill for oil, but not just oil. We also need to drill for gas.
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NefariousNewt
11/23/09

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"I don't know too much about it... but I know I don't like it."
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that's what she said
11/23/09

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"compromise is for people that are wrong"
"the state that she did govern was right across the street from Russia"

head explodes.
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DrWorm
11/23/09

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"well I watch Fox news A LOT"
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you won't say
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Wonder4A
11/23/09

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I want to give a big giant hug to that interviewer.
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BetteD
11/23/09

@Wonder4A: I'd like to give him a little more than a big hug, ifyaknowwhatImean.
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Loungist
11/23/09

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Does anyone else feel really uncomfortable watching these kind of things, where the interviewer is trying to make the people being interviewed look bad, for an audience that is on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum? It seems very unproductive, when this is exactly what Palin would call "gotcha journalism" and what these conservative Americans fear most: that to the elitist left, their way of life is backward and ridiculous.
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SUNNY1
11/23/09

@Loungist: I'm not sure he's trying to make them look bad, they look bad all on their own. I mean, he asks questions and they answer them horribly. If he's omitted the ones who answered well, then yes that's wrong. But these people are still there even if he doesn't interview them. And who knows, maybe they'll question themselves in the process.
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bluebears
11/23/09

@Loungist: I don't feel uncomfortable AT ALL. They are all clearly adults, they are all articulating exactly what they "like" about Palin and they are all unable to follow vague talking points up with actual details. Unlike the high school girl msnbc interviewed last week, they aren't asked about a slogan on a t-shirt, they're bringing up issues themselves that they have no fucking idea about. If that's "gotcha" journalism then I don't know how you would propose anyone's political views are solicited at all.
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GirlFailer
11/23/09

@Loungist: I though he was asking honest and fair questions. He didn't mock them at all. He actually tried to push them in the right direction to answer his questions. They were all clueless. She's a politician, and he asked questions that pertained to her platforms, and policies. What other questions should he have asked them? Something about her hair, or her wardrobe?
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Notes from the underwhelmed
11/23/09

@Loungist: No, if they weren't stupid, they'd be able to answer the questions and thus wouldn't look stupid. Also, yes, their way of life- or, at least, their way of thinking- *is* backward and ridiculous.
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JesiDangerously
11/23/09

@Loungist: The same thing was done to Obama supporters during his campaign, by journalists on both sides. Hell, Jay Leno does it all the time with his Jay Walking crap. Common, everyday Americans tend to be politically inept.

The funny part is that ALL of Palin's supporters seem to be more like her cheerleaders than her actual constituents, since they don't appear to know anything about the woman other than a few buzzwords.
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heykoukla
11/23/09

@Loungist: "What are some issues of hers that you agree with?"
"I'm not sure where you're going with that...where...what issues?"

He didn't really have to say much, did he?
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NefariousNewt
11/23/09

@Loungist: Why should anyone feel uncomfortable? These people are expressing their real feelings (Note: a couple of people mentioned "fairness" and "the ability to speak," as if those things are somehow being ignored under the current administration), and that's what they are: feelings. This isn't rational, logical judgment -- this is people speaking from their hearts, not their heads. And frankly, that is the difference between the left and right at its most basic: the right wants freedom and liberty, as long as it doesn't cost anything, and the left is full of big ideas without any way to pay for them. The right "feels" that things are going wrong; the left "knows" things are going wrong, but can't convince anyone they know how to fix it.
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twileen
11/23/09

@Loungist: I don't see this as the interviewer "trying to make the people being interviewed look bad." These people OUGHT to know why they are supporting someone, why they want a a person to take such an important office. This kind of reporting is essential because it proves that the conservatives are relying on an uneducated voter base.
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BetteD
11/23/09

@Loungist: I think it's insulting to the people interviewed for you to suggest that these types of questions are cruel or "gotcha."

To expect less of conservatives in terms of general intellect and political know-how is to suggest that they shouldn't be expected to be educated about their views. This assumes an innate incompetence on their part that reeks of classist judgment. I don't think anyone needs to be college educated or rich to form a cogent argument concerning an issue about which they are passionate. For the sake of both parties, everyone should be educated about the politics they support.

And no, I don't feel bad or uncomfortable laughing at/criticizing these people. They are presumably all voters, and they have just as much responsibility as I do to shape our leadership. When someone has misguided, uneducated views and votes on them, my liberty is in jeopardy.
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theysaidwhat
11/23/09

@Loungist: No, because then I would have to stop watching Stephen Colbert. My heart would break and I'd be far grumpier!
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Loungist
11/23/09

@GirlFailer: I guess the only gotcha moment I can point to as an example was when he asked the man, and you could vote for her for president, knowing nothing about her foreign policy? I thought that was unfair, because she is not actually a candidate for president. If she were campaigning, her views would be better known.

I guess the part that makes me uncomfortable is how easily I could imagine myself in that situation- being asked to explain why I support something, and kind of panicking when I realize I haven't done all the research and am going to look like an idiot. These people could care less about her policies, they're in line for her story.
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Loungist
11/23/09

@BetteD: I don't expect less intelligence from conservatives. I just don't expect much political knowledge from your average American, myself included. People who are really politically involved tend to forget that for most Americans, it's more of a gut instinct or a stance on one or two key issues than anything else that determines who we vote for.
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BetteD
11/23/09

@Loungist: I refuse to apologize for expecting of Americans a basic understanding of our political system if they are to live in this country and enjoy the rights and privledges accorded to them as citizens.

Furthermore, these interviews were not forcibly conducted. Those who participated were passionate enough about the politician in question to stand in line for an extended period of time in order to support her. Is it too much to ask of these people to describe the basics of her political convictions? I really don't think so.

"(I)t's more of a gut instinct or a stance on one or two key issues than anything else that determines who we vote for." That may be true of many people. That doesn't mean I don't have the right to find that view narrow, narcissistic, dangerous and wrong. I will say this, though: these people have about as much a clue on how governing is executed as Sarah Palin herself. Good for them.

I don't believe that our leaders should be people we want to swap recipes/play golf with. They should be competent, prepared, intelligent, highly educated, and in the posession of good judgment. Sarah Palin is not, in my opinion, such a person. Fortunately for her, many people don't necessarily agree with my standards. The video above is proof.
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Loungist
11/24/09

@BetteD: Alright then. Don't apologize. But remember we're not talking about a current politician, who, as far as we know, has no plans to ever run for office again.

If she was campaigning, people would have the issues fresh in their minds, instead of trying to remember what she said a year ago. Maybe that's why they wanted the book.

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BetteD
11/24/09

@Loungist: I sincerely doubt that either these people or Sarah Palin ever really knew what they were talking about. But I'll leave it at that.

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pantsdora
11/23/09

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This illustrates perfectly what liberals/progressives are up against: we come armed with detailed information, historical data, global context, etc., but that is not an adequate method in debate with their visceral reactions, empty slogans and catch-phrases, outright (but well-perpetuated) lies. All we can do is step back and watch them self-destruct - and hope that they don't take us down with them. IF Palin were to run in 2012, once she got put on the spot about the policies, issues, and plans, she would lose any thinking person's vote. Her inappropriateness for office will be revealed. Her "true believers" will remain, of course, because it's not important to them what she DOES, it's all about the charisma. "Protecting" us from the "others". And being white.
It is scary, presented in a video like this, and it's good to be aware of how many eedjits are out there, but beyond that we've just got to give it a big "whatevs"
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willwriteforfood
11/23/09

@pantsdora: "Her "true believers" will remain, of course, because it's not important to them what she DOES, it's all about the charisma."

That explains much of W's appeal.
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