I'm envious you can all see it so soon! It won't be out in the UK til early next year (as far as I know). It's been on at the London Film Festival and a couple of my friends managed to go and loved it. #preciousmovie
I have been mulling this for days since reading the Edelstein review and, umm, pitching an internet fit about it.
I loved this review, Latoya, but I wonder whether we can actually expect others to approach this material with sensitivity. By sensitivity, I mean with a genuine anti-oppression kind of viewpoint.
I want to believe that narratives are the way into understanding that "Others" are human, but the way this has been received by almost every writer but you worries me. #preciousmovie
@PilgrimSoul: I don't know. I'll openly admit that my relationship to dysfunction probably gives me a different view, which I will elaborate on more a bit later.
And no, I am not sure how it will be perceived. Me & The Racialicious Crew had a long convo on Precious vs. Erasure, and it's making us think some of these things *can't* be understood within our existing structures. There is too much of a chasm to bridge. But I'm still writing, my thoughts will be more clear a bit later. #preciousmovie
@LatoyaPeterson: Fair enough. I just keep coming back in my mind to the image of the New Yorker Festival crowds watching this thing. I didn't go to that screening, but from what I heard and read from people who did, I got the impression that a bunch of overeducated white types could totally miss the point. And I mean, I feel like they're the ones who need to be shocked out of their complacency.
That said I notice this has an 86% positive on Rotten Tomatoes, and film critics are dominated by overeducated white dudes. So maybe I'm being premature. #preciousmovie
@PilgrimSoul: It disturbs me that you use the words overeducated. What do you mean by that? How can one be overeducated? I understand that spending a significant amount of time in the ivory tower can shift one's perception of the world and cause a person to view all suffering in an academic light, but really, that term bothers me, in part because it is a fear mongering tactic used by conservatives: elite=overeducated=don't understand the common man. The term "overeducated white dudes" also echos the idea that education is inherently white, and that a POC who is highly educated has some sort of desire to be white. As a POC working on my PhD, I am very sensitive to that.
@LatoyaPeterson: And I think the point of literacy and her quick mind is interestingly lost in reviews that focus on the abuse and horrific circumstances. I found the book and movie to be a love letter to the power of imagination, literacy and the sheer ability of one to find hope at the bottom of what feels like the shittiest of circumstances simply through tapping into their own humanity, their own worth, their own being.
That said, I loved your review because it actually points out one of the most jarring points: Precious' imagination and her derivation of worth doesn't simply come from no where. It came from...
@DaphneNiobe: Well, I'm white, so it's quite possible I am reifying that notion, but mostly what I mean by it is educated to the point of being unable to relate to someone who is not. Apologies if I am implying that education is inherently white. I think what I am implying is that paradoxically, education can keep the privileged in a bubble. People who are not privileged tend to have a sort of double-consciousness about it. #preciousmovie
@PilgrimSoul: You're definitely making a lot of assumptions here. I attended the New Yorker Festival screening, and the crowd had a very large number of POC's. Almost all of the people who went up to ask questions during the discussion afterwards where Black, some of them said they lived, worked, and taught in Harlem. Daniels and Sapphire were very candid in their discussion, there was a lot of talk about media portrayal of black subjectivities and the exploitation of black poverty for mass consumption. Really. #preciousmovie
@PilgrimSoul: We can't really expect, but we can hope. We've so undervalued critical thinking and analysis at this point that, especially in a lot of "reviews" for nearly any movie at this point, what you're really getting is just an opinion. No real exploration. And not really a review. Just a hodge podge of impressions and feelings without a lot of critical thinking.
Which is why this one by Latoya is such a joy to read.
I do think narratives -can- be that way. I think they can, at the very least, make people question assumptions. See a different perspective. Push back from the constant "othering" we do. I don't think they can solve it. But I think they're an important component in discussing it, and working at it, and changing things.
So, I don't personally expect this film to make every white audience member questions their privilege and assumptions...but if does that for some, then that's a start. #preciousmovie
Yet another great essay Latoya! I am so happy that I get to read you on Jezebel.
I think if the story doesn't make one uncomfortable, then something is wrong with that person. It's that place of discomfort that we can start a conversation. #preciousmovie
But what I love about the book is that Precious is not a defenseless subject.
Indeed, she is not. I actually felt uplifted and inspired by her, which I was not expecting in the least.
I have not seen the movie, but I can say that the choice of Paula Patton for Ms Rain confused me. In the book, she was darker skinned, had dreadlocks, and wasn't she gay? Maybe I read into that wrong...In any case, I think it actually is a big deal.
As for the final scene, from the clip I saw when Mary says "who is going to love me," it punched me in the gut. I think I might have a harder time with the film than the book, but who knows. #miprecious
@InABook: Yeah, I was kind of excited. I think it would make an epic movie. We can take credit if they ever do end up making it. #angelinajoliesalttrailer
@nyc-caribbean-ragazza: Didn't they do a production of Othello with Chiwetel Ejifor as Othello and Ewan McGregor as Eiago? Certainly there could not have been a dry eye in the house at the end of that show (and by eye I mean panties).
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@hortense: You know, I'm not a massive fan of her acting, but I like how she is redefining a traditional 'A' list actress's career trajectory - action flicks and more serious roles a la Clive Owen, Daniel Craig, Leonardo DiCaprio etc. I can't think of another woman who's done that.
@hortense: I love her, but I wouldn't put her in the same category - she did the Alien franchise, but that was more accident than design. I can't think of any other flicks she did where she was the action hero. . . #angelinajoliesalttrailer
@snugbug: No. Again, I'm not talking about an actress who has played a kick-ass role or two because she happens to be the muse of one director (Thurman), or by default, because a film unexpectedly became a franchise (Weaver) - both of those actresses have been 'passive' in those deals and neither of them has continued in that genre. I think Angelina is different because she seems to have actively sought out a succession of action-hero roles in films by various different directors, playing different characters. There just isn't another A-list actress that has managed - or wanted - to pull that off. Even though I'm not fan of those films, I kinda like how she's not overly bothered about being 'taken seriously' as an actress. #angelinajoliesalttrailer
@Diziet_Sma: Damn! You run a tight game around these parts, sister!
I (begrudgingly) concede the point.
Truth be told, I enjoy cheeseball action heroine Angie a ton more than heaving-bosom dramatic Angie. Wanted was such an enormously entertaining laugh riot. I also remain a fan of something called Life Or Something Like It that Jolie starred in a while back. It's an imbecilic "uplifting drama" that will have you in stitches. Ditto Alexander.. Come think of it, Jolie is also extremely gifted at unintentional comedy. And yes, I like her all the more for it. #angelinajoliesalttrailer
@Diziet_Sma: well, Jolie is admittedly better in the "kick-ass" roles which seem more suited to her inherent character; she always appears to struggle with more serious, dramatic roles.
Her pursuit may be by design of her own with the knowledge that she's an otherwise "sucky" actress. (my opinion)
I'll watch her jump off things, punch people and shoot guns ANY DAY because she's so good at it. #angelinajoliesalttrailer
@SidheDragon: The 90's totally ruined shoe phones. Their spy cred got taken down a notch when teenage boys were given the opportunity to call their girlfriends on a converse sneaker. #angelinajoliesalttrailer
Mr. Singularly Garish can come have dinner with my mother any time. You might think your safe at first, but you learn when to duck really quickly. #preciousfilm
All of this reminds me of an eternal struggle of Black people: Can anything really be "for us" and not be made to represent all of us?
We must realize that our art/music/personal stories are consumed by the masses, which contains individuals who simply choose not to understand our intra diversity. These people simply choose to use our stories against us. So to what extent must we be careful about what stories we choose to tell? Do we appeal to the lowest common denominator? Or do we reveal our vulnerable places to a cold and ignorant society?
I guess the simpler version of this question is found in Dave Chappelle/ Chris Rock comedy wherein many of us truly "get" what is being satirized, whereas others just point and laugh at the most superficial level.
I am now recruiting members for the "I Don't Speak Like A White Girl, I Speak Like The Educated Black Woman That I Am Club" aka IDSLAWGISLTEBWTIAC. #preciousfilm
Can I join? I was plagued by that nonsense growing up. People don't say that to me much anymore, perhaps because I'm an adult, perhaps because things have changed. Oh, who am I kidding? #preciousfilm
@RockyMay: or its sister "compliment" "You are so well spoken, and this [essay/paper/post-it note] is so well written!" Where can I send my charter membership application, and is there a link I can forward to my friends? #preciousfilm
@meanteeth: ahh, but have you had to show your sources for that well-written work, because you HAD to have MISTAKENLY plagiarized?! That was my first semester of college. At an HBCU. With an instructor of color. #preciousfilm
I'm not sure.
'Cause you know the President had it said about him during his campaign(s) -- although I'd like to think no one had the temerity to say it to his face. #preciousfilm
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: No, just another jaded brown woman teaching too long who got surprised ONE more time. And, was, of course, my number one fan for the rest of my college career. Allison is on some ole other ish with the hair thing; she needs a sistagurl night out or something. #preciousfilm
@RockyMay: I would like to join that club. I was bullied horribly because of my actions/vocabulary/speech.
I speak out about it now to the point where I will put people in check if I hear them say "I'm blacker than you are." #preciousfilm
@prettypithy: I don't get the whole, "You speak like a white girl" anymore, but I do get people asking me if I grew up in the south. They are then astonished when I say yes. RockyMay, I would love to join your group! #preciousfilm
@brownstocking: i did have similar, but it was a predominantly white institution, with a white TA who suggested remedial english for me, because i discussed a topic she missed in lecture. yeah, no grammatical errors, just a difference of opinion. thankfully the prof stepped up. i feel your pain, brownstocking! #preciousfilm
"[T]oo singularly garish to be universal." I wish I could introduce Edelstein to my mother, who demanded that I make up for her lost welfare payments when I got a job as a teenager; who slapped me when I looked at her the wrong way; and who accused me (as a child!) of trying to steal a man she was interested in.
I think the role of "psycho mother" is unfortunately universal. #preciousfilm
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I loved this review, Latoya, but I wonder whether we can actually expect others to approach this material with sensitivity. By sensitivity, I mean with a genuine anti-oppression kind of viewpoint.
I want to believe that narratives are the way into understanding that "Others" are human, but the way this has been received by almost every writer but you worries me. #preciousmovie
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And no, I am not sure how it will be perceived. Me & The Racialicious Crew had a long convo on Precious vs. Erasure, and it's making us think some of these things *can't* be understood within our existing structures. There is too much of a chasm to bridge. But I'm still writing, my thoughts will be more clear a bit later. #preciousmovie
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That said I notice this has an 86% positive on Rotten Tomatoes, and film critics are dominated by overeducated white dudes. So maybe I'm being premature. #preciousmovie
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That said, I loved your review because it actually points out one of the most jarring points: Precious' imagination and her derivation of worth doesn't simply come from no where. It came from...
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Which is why this one by Latoya is such a joy to read.
I do think narratives -can- be that way. I think they can, at the very least, make people question assumptions. See a different perspective. Push back from the constant "othering" we do. I don't think they can solve it. But I think they're an important component in discussing it, and working at it, and changing things.
So, I don't personally expect this film to make every white audience member questions their privilege and assumptions...but if does that for some, then that's a start. #preciousmovie
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I think if the story doesn't make one uncomfortable, then something is wrong with that person. It's that place of discomfort that we can start a conversation. #preciousmovie
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Indeed, she is not. I actually felt uplifted and inspired by her, which I was not expecting in the least.
I have not seen the movie, but I can say that the choice of Paula Patton for Ms Rain confused me. In the book, she was darker skinned, had dreadlocks, and wasn't she gay? Maybe I read into that wrong...In any case, I think it actually is a big deal.
As for the final scene, from the clip I saw when Mary says "who is going to love me," it punched me in the gut. I think I might have a harder time with the film than the book, but who knows. #miprecious
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In other news, I'm apparently kind of a nerd. #angelinajoliesalttrailer
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Chiwetel Ejifor is in it.
Philip Noyce who directed Clear And Present Danger (and Rabbit Proof Fence among others) knows how to do action.
Chiwetel Ejifor is in it.
I wonder why Tom Cruise dropped out and if they had to rewrite the script once Angelina was cast? #angelinajoliesalttrailer
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I'm going to see if I can get both versions. Curious to see how it changed. #angelinajoliesalttrailer
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It is. I sobbed like a baby. The movie was hard to watch at times. #angelinajoliesalttrailer
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In all seriousness, he is a fantastic actor and I'm glad he's getting more work. #angelinajoliesalttrailer
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I (begrudgingly) concede the point.
Truth be told, I enjoy cheeseball action heroine Angie a ton more than heaving-bosom dramatic Angie. Wanted was such an enormously entertaining laugh riot. I also remain a fan of something called Life Or Something Like It that Jolie starred in a while back. It's an imbecilic "uplifting drama" that will have you in stitches. Ditto Alexander.. Come think of it, Jolie is also extremely gifted at unintentional comedy. And yes, I like her all the more for it. #angelinajoliesalttrailer
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Her pursuit may be by design of her own with the knowledge that she's an otherwise "sucky" actress. (my opinion)
I'll watch her jump off things, punch people and shoot guns ANY DAY because she's so good at it. #angelinajoliesalttrailer
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*jaw drop* #preciousfilm
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We must realize that our art/music/personal stories are consumed by the masses, which contains individuals who simply choose not to understand our intra diversity. These people simply choose to use our stories against us. So to what extent must we be careful about what stories we choose to tell? Do we appeal to the lowest common denominator? Or do we reveal our vulnerable places to a cold and ignorant society?
I guess the simpler version of this question is found in Dave Chappelle/ Chris Rock comedy wherein many of us truly "get" what is being satirized, whereas others just point and laugh at the most superficial level.
Double consciousness, indeed. #preciousfilm
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Can I join? I was plagued by that nonsense growing up. People don't say that to me much anymore, perhaps because I'm an adult, perhaps because things have changed. Oh, who am I kidding? #preciousfilm
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I'm not sure.
'Cause you know the President had it said about him during his campaign(s) -- although I'd like to think no one had the temerity to say it to his face. #preciousfilm
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I speak out about it now to the point where I will put people in check if I hear them say "I'm blacker than you are." #preciousfilm
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I think the role of "psycho mother" is unfortunately universal. #preciousfilm
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