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    Image of clevernamehere clevernamehere
    05:19 PM

    In reply to "We’re Not Just Dressing 17-Year-Olds Who Go Nightclubbing In Russia."
    I think the issue is that clothing designers don't really see themselves as out to make money. They see themselves as artists. They have an idea of what they want their clothes to look like that is more important to them than increasing profits.

    It makes sense that carrying more sizes would increase profit, but then I know Old Navy shunted their plus size stuff online. Was that a brand decision or was it honestly not selling? It doesn't really matter what size the average woman wears if the people buying clothing aren't distributed across sizes the same way.
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    Image of Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny. Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
    05:02 PM

    In reply to "We’re Not Just Dressing 17-Year-Olds Who Go Nightclubbing In Russia."
    Fuck you, Angela Missoni. This makes me want to squeeze into the smallest size you have and walk around yelling "I AM WEARING MISSONI AND I'M FAT!!! MISSONI LUVS FAT PEOPLE"
    The only problem with this plan is that it would require me to actually buy your clothes.
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    Image of rodmanstreet rodmanstreet
    04:00 PM

    In reply to "We’re Not Just Dressing 17-Year-Olds Who Go Nightclubbing In Russia."
    Someone here once said (and if it was you, please identify yourself so I can heart you) that the issue of plus sized clothing was like the battle between greed and vanity, and vanity won out. Because if these designers were greedy, they'd look at the plus sized demographic and their eyes would go $$!!!
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    Image of Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny. Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
    04:54 PM

    @rodmanstreet: That was me, but I stole it from another commenter a very long time ago and tweaked it a bit. I think what a posted (and what I think every time I see posts on clothing and plus sizes) is that it is our love of the dollar and our love of thinness coming smack dab against each other. It amazes me that a love of thinness (or hatred of fatness) is what is strongest in the end because I thought nothing could trump American's love of the almighty dollar.
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    Image of rodmanstreet rodmanstreet
    05:00 PM

    @Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: Gosh darn it, I already hearted you long ago. Well put, though.
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    Image of colormeroutine colormeroutine
    03:48 PM

    In reply to "We’re Not Just Dressing 17-Year-Olds Who Go Nightclubbing In Russia."
    I don't get what's wrong with the Missoni quote. The rest of them yes, but not that one. I cannot count the number of times I have been pushed into buying something by salespeople just trying to make a sale only to wind up donating it unworn because it in fact looks like crap. I'd rather you tell me it looks like crap so I don't waste my money on it and point me towards something else than that.
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    Image of Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny. Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
    05:00 PM

    @colormeroutine: The problem is that she specifically uses women "squeezed into an outfit" as an example of someone wearing ill fitting clothes. If she had left it at, "I don't want women to wear ill-fitting clothes," there would be no problem with the quote. However, because she chooses to focus on larger women trying to fit into a smaller size (as opposed to the myriad of short, tall or thin women that wear garments that don't fit) she is singling out fat women and revealing the true intention of her message which is, "I don't want fat people to wear my outfits."
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    Image of JennaW JennaW
    03:47 PM

    In reply to "We’re Not Just Dressing 17-Year-Olds Who Go Nightclubbing In Russia."
    Even when you can fit into stuff, though, most things in the malls and shops are aimed at such a narrow, narrow group of girls.

    Every time there's a miserable retailer "didn't hit our target" report, I just want to slap them all and shout, "I had money and NO WHERE TO SPEND IT, you MORONS!"

    I'm sorry, but I'm not going to wear clothes meant for a 17-year-old sylph. It is neither age- nor lifestyle-appropriate for me, and the only other options are active wear and suits -- what about just regular clothes that don't show my boobs to my coworkers?

    Gap used to be pretty good for me, but they've decided providing awesome, wearable jeans for people who don't look good OR don't want to go around in denim leggings is not the direction they want to go in.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    03:51 PM

    @JennaW: thank.you. Which is why I'm nervous about the aforementioned Ann Taylor makeover. anyone know any more details about this?
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    Image of awinoforever awinoforever
    03:54 PM

    @JennaW: the gap completely re-made and re-vamped their denim line this fall. it is incredible. i hated their jeans for years but tried them out because i was bored while my husband was looking for good khakis. they actually have a variety of styles to correspond with a variety of body types and the denim is very high quality. this is coming from a jean snob who usually only wears j brand, paper denim and paige premium.
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    Image of JennaW JennaW
    03:59 PM

    @awinoforever: Well, *I* liked them before. But from what they're showing on their website, they seem to have eliminated the styles I liked best without a good correlative replacement.

    However, I'll go have an actual try-on to be fair, since you say they're awesome now (still? And because they were my go-to, and I hate having start over for basics and classic stuff).

    Thanks!
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    Image of ElleL ElleL
    04:02 PM

    @bluebears: Not a big change really, they look just like Jcrew now.
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    Image of awinoforever awinoforever
    04:10 PM

    @JennaW: i thought you meant you liked them before the second to last revamp? they've redone the line so much in the last ten years i guess it's hard to keep track!

    but i would def give it a shot. i personally loved the "long and lean" cuts, "curvy" fit was nice as well. beware of the skinny though! i'll let youfigure out who that's clearly supposed to be for.
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    Image of Penny Penny
    03:44 PM

    In reply to "We’re Not Just Dressing 17-Year-Olds Who Go Nightclubbing In Russia."
    Honestly, and I am saying this from experience, a lot of people who enter into the fashion industry are self-loathing. Probably has a lot to do with it in the end. They just convince themselves that it's a financial decision or that their market will not support it.
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    Image of bellzar08 bellzar08
    03:53 PM

    @Penny: From what experience? I'm curious. :)
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    Image of Penny Penny
    03:58 PM

    @bellzar08: Just talking about a lot of people I've met in my years. Only half serious, really. Maybe 60/40.
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    Image of sportz.star sportz.star
    03:37 PM

    In reply to "We’re Not Just Dressing 17-Year-Olds Who Go Nightclubbing In Russia."
    I think that's being overly harsh of Tory and not nearly harsh enough on Stella. Tory likes seeing women feel good in her clothes (presumably why they wear them) and has a added a size rare in higher end clothing to her line. Kudos (if insufficient). Stella has been told by women that they can't wear her clothes and she has done precisely nada.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    03:36 PM

    In reply to "We’re Not Just Dressing 17-Year-Olds Who Go Nightclubbing In Russia."
    Ann Taylor is having a makeover????
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    Image of lilyHaze lilyHaze
    03:52 PM

    @bluebears: Yes, there are a lot more J.Crew-ish looks around now. They changed the head designer. They still have the fairly boring, classic workwear. But now there are more fashion-forward items now. (Think lots of ruffles.)
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    03:54 PM

    @lilyHaze: as long as they keep basic staples I'm fine with it.
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    Image of lermanzo lermanzo
    03:35 PM

    In reply to "We’re Not Just Dressing 17-Year-Olds Who Go Nightclubbing In Russia."
    oh, how nice of Burch to expand to size 14 when the average size in america is size 16, last i checked. le sigh.
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    Image of femme-bot femme-bot
    03:44 PM

    @lermanzo: I thought it was 14? But sizes are different in every store, so it really doesn't tell us much.
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    Image of lilyHaze lilyHaze
    03:54 PM

    @femme-bot: A designer 14 is different than regular 14. A designer 14 may be a regular 12.

    I've lost weight in the past 2 years. I've gone down a size or two in the low-to-mid designers. But I still wear the same size in designer clothing (bought at a discount!).
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    Image of femme-bot femme-bot
    03:58 PM

    @lilyHaze: Hm, in my experience some designers (ahem, Marc Jacobs) run pretty big and I sometimes need to go down a size or two. But yeah, some others can run small.
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    Image of LaFemme LaFemme
    04:26 PM

    @lermanzo: Yeah...that figure may be kind of misleading though since (as I think I saw on here in a linked article) that is a true average- meaning it takes in EVERYONE on both ends of the spectrum and pops out this size. For retail purposes, you would want to look more at what your biggest group is, and provide clothing based on that group. I think that is the 6-10 range, so by targetting this group you get the most number of people who will want your clothes, then go a few sizes smaller and a few larger.

    This may not be true, but judging by experience of shopping sales (where you usually find the tiniest and largest sizes on the racks) I can see it being the case. If you think of it this way it does make a bit more sense why designers wouldn't feel tons of pressure to extend their lines sizes to go into plus sizes or petites.
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    Image of lermanzo lermanzo
    04:38 PM

    @LaFemme: well, what about me? i'm not plus-sized, either. a 2005 article from the chicago trib (can't find it, only references) says 62% of women are over size 14.

    and in my experience, the only clothes that fit me are mom clothes from mom stores. also, the sale racks i see are STUFFED with 2s, 6s, and 10s
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    Image of LaFemme LaFemme
    05:09 PM

    @lermanzo: I didn't say that if if designers are targetting the largest groupings of sizes it wouldnt suck hard for a whole bunch of people, it does. I am in between size ranges, and it blows to have to sometimes pay the cost of a top in alterations alone. I just don't think every designer and clothing store out there is ignoring their bottom lines by not offering sizes 0000-30.
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    Image of lermanzo lermanzo
    05:29 PM

    @LaFemme: if 62% of women are over a 14, they aren't.
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    Image of Kilotwat Kilotwat
    01:24 PM

    In reply to Was Demi Moore Photoshopped Onto Model's Body For W? Not Likely.
    OhNoTheyDidnt turned up more pics from that same runway walk that were likely combined to form franken-Demi. It's pretty damning:

    [community.livejournal.com]

    #tips
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    Image of DearJamie DearJamie
    02:24 PM

    @Kilotwat: This is off topic, but why is EVERYONE using #tips in their posts? What is that for?
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    Image of Kilotwat Kilotwat
    02:28 PM

    @DearJamie: Scroll down this page for an explanation:

    [jezebel.com]

    It's basically another way to aggregate and search for comments. Click on #tips for a demonstration.
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    Image of DearJamie DearJamie
    02:57 PM

    @Kilotwat: thanks :)
    Also, I'm still a little undecided on whether or not that is Demi's body in this picture. The shoulder pieces and the, erm, krotch pieces look a lot different.

    #tips
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    Image of mariamariamaria mariamariamaria
    01:08 PM

    In reply to Ashro: Stop Being Such A Slob And Get Yourself A Suit, Hat & Wig
    I love Ashro in all it's Sunday style.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    12:04 PM

    In reply to Was Demi Moore Photoshopped Onto Model's Body For W? Not Likely.
    um...you all are crazy, Demi already posted the ORIGINAL pic on her twitter page. case closed.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    01:18 PM

    that was sarcasm #tips
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    Image of NewsBunny NewsBunny
    12:01 PM

    In reply to Was Demi Moore Photoshopped Onto Model's Body For W? Not Likely.
    If we, as a society, put half as much thought into issues of war and peace as we did Demi's body, the Ralph Lauren photoshop job, and Sarah freakout Palin, then we would have achieved world peace decades ago.Not a Jezebel slam; everyone's debating it, and that's Jezebel's shop. I enjoy these posts. It just amazes how much folks...care.

    Care...meaning these magazine people as well, who think a gorgeous woman just insn't good enough.
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    Image of schlegs84 schlegs84
    10:50 AM

    In reply to Was Demi Moore Photoshopped Onto Model's Body For W? Not Likely.
    I'm less concerned about the photoshopping and more worried that people are calling that a "dress". That is a leotard with swaddling, at best.
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    Image of missheidilynn missheidilynn
    10:52 AM

    @schlegs84: Gilded Depends...for the fashionable that suffer urinary incontinence
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    Image of Leucadia Leucadia
    10:58 AM

    @schlegs84: It looks like a prehistoric babe/ ancient Roman babe/alien babe costume from a 1960s B-movie. I'm picturing big fur mukluks with it.
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    Image of Skellatrix Skellatrix
    10:58 AM

    @schlegs84: It's also completely hideous. That's the real tragedy here.
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    Image of schlegs84 schlegs84
    11:10 AM

    @Leucadia: bad fight choreography with a claymation T-Rex in 5, 4, 3, 2...
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    Image of femme-bot femme-bot
    10:49 AM

    In reply to Was Demi Moore Photoshopped Onto Model's Body For W? Not Likely.
    I saw the photoshoppers on the grassy knoll!
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