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    Image of Cafezinha Cafezinha
    11/23/09

    In reply to Ashro: Stop Being Such A Slob And Get Yourself A Suit, Hat & Wig
    I am several hours late to the party, because of my time difference, but I couldn't NOT chime in, because I rock the caftan (or muumuu, more commonly found on Guam) quite often, as it is quite breezy and comfortable in tropical climates. Combine it with wrapping your hair in a scarf in a kind of tiny turban and you feel utterly fabulous, in a dowdy sort of way. I'm hoping to start a trend.

    (That, and curly, coarse hair is a bitch in humid weather, so it keeps it under control.)
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    11/23/09

    @Cafezinha: Note: not to imply that a muumuu and caftan are one and the same, but the general idea of one-piece wild and free loveliness is still there. :)
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    Image of lfw1031 lfw1031
    11/23/09

    In reply to Ashro: Stop Being Such A Slob And Get Yourself A Suit, Hat & Wig
    Actually, make that Garanimals By Sheree.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Ashro: Stop Being Such A Slob And Get Yourself A Suit, Hat & Wig
    Granny by Sheree.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Ashro: Stop Being Such A Slob And Get Yourself A Suit, Hat & Wig
    I'd order that pink rose-bud blazer, wear it with some jeans, a tee, and some heels and shut shit DOWN!
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    Image of Uncommon Whore Uncommon Whore
    11/23/09

    In reply to Ashro: Stop Being Such A Slob And Get Yourself A Suit, Hat & Wig
    I never before realized just how much I need a caftan in my life.
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    Image of Dakota_55 Dakota_55
    11/23/09

    @Uncommon Whore: seriously. i should rock that bad johnny to the law school library as payback for all the snifflers/gum smackers/loud flip flop wearers. visual distraction much?
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    11/23/09

    @Dakota_55: Do it just for the comfort factor! I love single item of clothing outfits.
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    11/23/09

    @Uncommon Whore: dresses FTW. agreed. what's your opinion on jumpsuits? a friend was just trying to tell me she found an acceptable one at bestey johnson and i dont buy it

    #tips
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    Image of MIXED MIXED
    11/23/09

    In reply to Ashro: Stop Being Such A Slob And Get Yourself A Suit, Hat & Wig
    re: the red pants in number 15...I literally said "oh...my" out loud like an old grandma. those are somethin ELSE.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Police Say Daul Kim Left A Suicide Note
    Suicide is a permanent solution to every possible problem - most of which are temporary.

    Just don't do this to the people who love you. They will feel the shame and blame themselves for the rest of their lives.

    Reach out to someone.
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    11/23/09

    @sybann: that was the response I was given by my mother when I contemplated suicide...except she basically said, "Ada, suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Get over it." You've said it much more nicely.
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    11/23/09

    @randomnessish: I've been spanked enough in here that I've learned to temper my temper. Mostly. Your MOM said it best.

    Coddling doesn't work. And suicide is the ultimate TANTRUM. From which no one recovers.

    All bets are off however if said person is terminally ill.
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    11/23/09

    @sybann: "...suicide is the ultimate TANTRUM..."

    Wow. I worked in mental health for many years and certainly there were some people for whom a suicide attempt was a cry for help or attention (e.g., cutting one's wrists but not nearly deep enough to actually bleed out). I also worked with a young woman who had thrown herself off of a highway overpass. I worked with a young man who took so much medication in an attempt to overdose that his liver was permanently damaged. I worked with a 47 year-old woman who'd been in and out of mental hospitals since she was 16. She was exhausted, hopeless, and in mental agony. These were not people throwing the "ultimate tantrum." These were people carrying an unbearable weight who truly saw death as the only way to find peace. If you had someone in your life who took his/her own life, I'm truly sorry and understand the pain that suicide foists on surviving loved ones. But categorically labeling suicide as the ultimate tantrum does no one any good.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Ashro: Stop Being Such A Slob And Get Yourself A Suit, Hat & Wig
    Number 7 has a widow-who-just-got-a-peek-at-the-will vibe to it.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Ashro: Stop Being Such A Slob And Get Yourself A Suit, Hat & Wig
    The Magnificent Dee has Biggie Shorty's name all over it...actually, I could see her in several of those wigs.
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    Image of BytheSea BytheSea
    11/23/09

    In reply to Ashro: Stop Being Such A Slob And Get Yourself A Suit, Hat & Wig
    So this is where Whitley, Mrs. Uncle Phill, and the entire cast of Dallas shopped.
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    Image of Penny Penny
    11/23/09

    In reply to Police Say Daul Kim Left A Suicide Note
    I did visit her blog the day after her death and saw that she had linked a song in her last post. I actually linked it back to my own blog because I liked it so much. Similar taste in music, who knew.

    It's infinitely creepy, how the Internet adds an element of voyeurism when there is a death. It was weird to see all the posts with 20 or so comments leading up her to last with 500+. It was heartbreaking to see the "comment removed by author" notes, knowing that someone close to her was likely monitoring her blog so soon after she died, and having to read even a small amount of people saying horrible things.

    I ache to think of her loneliness, thinking of the times when I was pushed to the floor by a pressing fog of depression...the inability to connect and understand and find peace.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Police Say Daul Kim Left A Suicide Note
    Thanks for this, Jenna. I followed her blog and loved her wickedly funny videos for NY Magazine and I've been struggling to figure out why she would want to end her life. Hopefully, we'll get some sort of closure and her poor family and friends will be able to start the looong process of moving on.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Police Say Daul Kim Left A Suicide Note
    I hope her family will find peace with the findings of the autopsy.
    So sad for everyone involved.
    (And I have to add that Le Parisien is not a gossip paper, it's a daily on Paris news. It's not the Washington Post, but still)
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    Image of aclikeslater aclikeslater
    11/23/09

    In reply to Ashro: Stop Being Such A Slob And Get Yourself A Suit, Hat & Wig
    I have to say, Today in Catalogs was what originally brought me to Jezebel, and I've never looked back. It is and likely always will be my favorite feature.

    Dodai, thanks big.
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    Image of Dodai Dodai
    11/23/09

    @aclikeslater: Thank you!
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    Image of karmasutra är svensk karmasutra är svensk
    11/23/09

    In reply to Police Say Daul Kim Left A Suicide Note
    I do think that while it is important to take all quotes from the blog in context, even talking about feeling depressed in Seoul, followed not long after by this, is an indicator - being depressed isn't a 24/7 thing, it comes in waves. That she wrote 'KIDDING' after talking about ending her life doesn't necessarily mean it was all in jest - after all, she took the time to write about it, and what else would she say? Without the 'kidding,' people would have become concerned, and probed deeper, something that she probably wouldn't have wanted, if she was actually depressed.

    So yes, context is key, but using the context to trivialize comments when they do have such pertinent topics to what has just happened won't help the issue.
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    Image of Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny. Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
    11/23/09

    @karmasutra är svensk: Yes, yes, yes. I came here to write this exact comment, but I didn't know how I would write it. You did it much better. It is easy to see signs after the fact and I agree whole-heartedly that all quotes should be taken in context.
    HOWEVER, anytime someone discusses taking their own life, regardless of whether or not it is in jest, it should be taken seriously. Joking about suicide is one of the first signs that someone is going to try it. Too many people sweep early warning signs under the rug because they are uncomfortable talking about suicide. The best thing you can do if someone you know or love bring it up (even in jest) is to say, "I know you are joking, but when it comes to suicide I don't feel I can ever be too careful. Do you ever really contemplate suicide?" The worst that can happen is that they say no.
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    Image of Chrysocolla Chrysocolla
    11/23/09

    @karmasutra är svensk: A few weeks ago I finally sought help for my deep depression. Before then, I thought about suicide quite often, even if I wasn't quite at the point where I'd actually commit it. And if I ever said something out loud, I would always end it in, "Just kidding, heehee!" and everyone would laugh, even if inside I couldn't help but think of how it would end the pain. I'm glad I sought help and I really wish Kim had. I've been on medication for two weeks now and nobody close to me knew that I had depression for many years, and nobody can guess now, that's for sure. It's so easy to hide it and make happy blog posts about how we enjoy certain things, while on the inside think the opposite. Kim's blog may be an insight into her mind, but it could just be a ruse she put out there to convince everyone that she was OK even if she really wasn't. We'll likely never know.
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    11/23/09

    @karmasutra är svensk: You're so right about the waves. I only recently had a shrink compare it to circular process. When you're in it, you're so far in it that you feel like you literally cannot speak or articulate how you feel. When you've lifted out of it, you can't fully remember how you were feeling or why, nor can you explain it. It's a lonely experience, and some people fall so deep that they can't pull themselves back out.
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    Image of funzette funzette
    11/23/09

    @Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: Exactly. Thank you. You're wonderful.

    The majority of people who complete suicide have said something to somebody at some point, and the response you suggested is elegant and empathic. The only thing I would add is about mobilizing resources - if someone you know or love talks about suicide, tell their doctor, their parents, their residence adviser or anyone else who can be helpful or reduce risk.

    Confidentiality and trust is so important, but suicide is a devastating outcome of mental illness or distress and a huge public health issue. Not everyone who talks about suicide is going to attempt, and talking about it with them doesn't raise their risk of doing so.
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    11/23/09

    @Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: You know, I agree — joking about suicide is probably a red flag. But that particular post was just so obviously a joke. The writing was overblown and silly, it came off as totally tongue in cheek. You'd have to be tone deaf to miss it.

    Daul Kim did write other posts where she hinted at suicidal thoughts in a much more serious, and concerning way; if those were being quoted as evidence of her mental state, I wouldn't object. (For example, in August of this year, she wrote a post that read, in entirety, "dont people understand / last stages / are / more / calm? // do you really think / im happy ?" And in July of 2008, she wrote this, which is frankly alarming.)

    If either of those posts were being circulated as possible warnings that were missed, that would be one thing. But they aren't, because those posts are buried deep in her blog, between re-posted Versace campaigns from the 80s and Madonna songs and ruminations on Klaus Kinski. To find them, you'd have to read.

    Far easier for a lazy journo to skip back to the first page of her blog, find a post that references suicide notably un-seriously, and quote selectively.
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    Image of Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny. Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
    11/23/09

    @Jenna: Your point came across very clear in the article, and you did not seem to be trivializing early warning signs at all. In fact, you seem to be advocating an honest look at the woman herself, rather than a cursory glance at her life for sound bites and some sort of explanation. I think that is a beautiful message, because it is one that often gets missed in the desire to "explain" why she did what she did.

    It is only because of my personal experience (and blindness to early warning signs) that I fell it necessary to state that no matter how tongue in cheek, silly, overblown and jokily someone discusses suicide it is important to remember that they are, in fact, discussing suicide. I am sure (because I trust you) that her entire post was obviously a joke but the fact that she put so much time into crafting a post that was about suicide, suggests that she was at least giving it quite a bit of thought, and in this case, it seems as though it was a warning sign (one that perhaps she didn't even recognize.)
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