I'm not sure what I think. At first glance, I was thinking, "Oh! That wasn't what I was expecting - it's kinda nice to see a Muslim woman in the media who isn't being depicted as a war/domestic violence/rape/brainwashing victim, and treated like any other woman."
Then I thought... wait, I don't like how women are treated in general. :/
Factual inaccuracies aside, I don't know if Muslims would appreciate the ad. I can't say one way or the other, but I imagine strict Muslims might not think it's so great.
The only thing I can think while watching this is how gracefully she moves through the piece. The last time I tried to put on stockings and garters, it looked like I was doing the chicken dance. #lingeriesaudi
I think that is is about as positive as an advertisement for lingerie addressing non-western women could be. In fact, I think its a more sophisticated than the lingerie ads produced here in the US. The main point of the commercial seems to be that the desire to be sexy and sexual knows no cultural bounds. This, I agree with. But I don't know if I would go so far as to consider it empowering JUST because it lacks the male gaze and is about a woman wearing lingerie that no one will see.
Lingerie is about being seen, whether it is seen or not, and the thrill of wearing sexy undergarments is the excitement you get knowing that if someone DID happen to see, they would see something really spectacular. (I was a pro at this in high school. I'd wear garters and all that shit on dates and then make sure at some point to bend over or flash some thigh and then pretend to be completely unaware that I had offered a glimpse.) And I'm not making a value judgement at all or trying to say that sexy-underpants can't make a woman FEEL empowered, but the power come from the knowledge that she is wearing something that is sexy precisely because it has been deemed sexy by the male gaze. There doesn't need to be a male present to illustrate that.
And I like that it is expressing the idea that women, even muslim women (shock!) have a legitimate sexuality to be expressed. But in the end it is an advertisement and is just as dependent on the influence of the male gaze as a victoria's secret ad. It may be a little more sophisticated, but its stemming from the same place. #lingeriesaudi
This ad makes me uncomfortable because I feel like it's just using a religion to make a clever commercial and it's a commercial that said religion would be really against. #lingeriesaudi
There's a lot going on here, but I want to point out on visual annoyance: she goes from the shower/makeup with a towel wrapped around her supposedly damp hair and when she takes it off *poof* sexylicious curls! #lingeriesaudi
I think the problem isn't so much in the commercial itself (which I must admit is incredibly hot) but the fact that it's for a company called"dangerous liaisons." I think the idea of a forbidden affair ads meaning to the commercial that is really exploitative, capitalizing on the exotic nature of the mysterious veil. #lingeriesaudi
I think that this is wonderfully positive. Everyone gets a little thrill when you're wearing your sexy panties (or no panties) if you go out. It's your secret. I think that it gives back sexuality to eastern women. Not some wanton woman in the east begging to please men, but she was doing this for herself. She is a sexy woman, she doesn't need to show it to anyone (Note how there was no man in the commercial at all?), she knows, its her secret and she is liberated by that. You could see something like that in her eyes through the burqua. I loved this ad. #lingeriesaudi
@Alwaystheangel: I think that what makes it not work for me-- it is a commercial, it's not a private moment, which undercuts any sense that this a private moment. If a woman genuinely believed in covering herself for purposes of modesty, she wouldn't be in on television nude/in her sexy undies, and I can't get past that long enough to buy into the illusion the commercial's selling. #lingeriesaudi
I interpreted this positively. Unlike a Victoria's Secret advertisement, which almost always features barely covered women writhing and purring for the pleasure of men, this ad seemed geared towards women.
The message I got was that she dressed in lingerie for herself, not because it promised to please men or because she would be showing it to anyone. Rather, I thought it effectively conveyed the idea that the right undergarments can make a woman feel confident and good about herself, regardless if anyone sees it. That said, my first reaction was, "Whaa...a lingerie ad geared towards women? Why, I have never heard of such a thing!"--That's a good thing. #lingeriesaudi
@Tchotchke: I don't know, I just as quickly assumed she was going out to meet a man or other sexual partner. Do lingerie ads usually show men or viewers? I don't watch much tv but I don't remember that. #lingeriesaudi
@J.D.Regent: Oh, sorry, re-reading my comment I can tell it wasn't necessarily clear. The standard Victoria's Secret advertisement usually portrays a slew of models in cheap-looking lingerie swirling, whirling, writhing about and then purring something about feeling sexy. The man or sexual partner isn't depicted, but the models look into the camera and engage with it. The viewer is the sexual partner, ostensibly.
A few years ago, maybe Christmas time, they went so far as to have some model writhing in a bed with satin sheets. I may be totally wrong, but I think that's pretty clear image directed at men, who don't buy the lingerie. I guess the intellectual leap is that you, as a woman, are supposed to aspire to that and therefore, men will want to sleep with you.
I thought the beauty of the advertisement above was that it sort of tricks you into believing that it is a standard lingerie ad. The twist in the end made me personally, breathe a sigh of relief and actually smile--which I've never done at a lingerie commercial.
@J.D.Regent: I figured it was aimed at women because the model spends most of the commercial looking in the mirror, not pointing out flaws, but seeming to enjoy what she saw there. That tells me that the message is more of "just for you". Also the fact that everything she wore looked actually wearable (supportive bra, non-thong underwear). #lingeriesaudi
Okay, I probably need to think about it more, but gut judgment time.
I like it. That woman, up until the 40th-second of that commercial, could have been any woman, in any country. I felt united with her-- if only in the fallacy of the commercial. #lingeriesaudi
My first impression of this ad was "Excellent. Finally someone selling lingerie to women as something for them to feel sexy about."
We've talked about this before, how lingerie is often sold as a way for women to turn men on, but here, it was just for her.
I totally get what you're saying about "under the veil" and all that, and I think it's a valid point. But still, lingerie for the wearer's enjoyment over the beholder's enjoyment (despite this being a commercial) is still a good message, I think. #lingeriesaudi
@J.D.Regent: Well I suppose that depends on who you think the beholder is. Obviously it's a commercial and so the viewer is meant to enjoy it.
But, in the context of the "action" it just seemed like the woman was genuinely enjoying getting dressed and admiring herself. Often in commercials like this there is a boyfriend in the background, or the implication that the woman is waiting for a man to arrive, at which point the lingerie will be taken off again.
I just didn't get the sense that that was what was going on here. #lingeriesaudi
to me it's just a stylish undies ad, no more or less offensive than any other one, and about as realistic, if realism counts for anything. i would be totally shocked if anyone connects it to the lingerie selling issue; presumably one can buy liasion dangereuse or whatever on the internet or from male owned stores right? #lingeriesaudi
My first impression? Total exploitation, typical male-gaze style: naked woman, sexy panties, crotch shot, boob shot, big, sexy hair. Then, the twist ending, which just left me thinking: Wow--even more exploitation. Combine the tantalizing hiddenness of something forbidden with the idea of getting it on with one of "our enemy's" women, thus scoring a point for our side, by taking something they value.
@queenjulie: I don't feel like the viewpoint of the commercial is anything about "our enemy." I assumed it was geared toward Muslim consumers in Germany? I feel like I am missing something.
@J.D.Regent: My bad--I was thinking this was from an American or British company, and since Americans generally see burqas as something women in Afghanistan and Iraq wear, I was thinking it was referencing the war. Poor reading comprehension on my part. #lingeriesaudi
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Then I thought... wait, I don't like how women are treated in general. :/
Factual inaccuracies aside, I don't know if Muslims would appreciate the ad. I can't say one way or the other, but I imagine strict Muslims might not think it's so great.
I guess I really don't know. #lingeriesaudi
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Lingerie is about being seen, whether it is seen or not, and the thrill of wearing sexy undergarments is the excitement you get knowing that if someone DID happen to see, they would see something really spectacular. (I was a pro at this in high school. I'd wear garters and all that shit on dates and then make sure at some point to bend over or flash some thigh and then pretend to be completely unaware that I had offered a glimpse.) And I'm not making a value judgement at all or trying to say that sexy-underpants can't make a woman FEEL empowered, but the power come from the knowledge that she is wearing something that is sexy precisely because it has been deemed sexy by the male gaze. There doesn't need to be a male present to illustrate that.
And I like that it is expressing the idea that women, even muslim women (shock!) have a legitimate sexuality to be expressed. But in the end it is an advertisement and is just as dependent on the influence of the male gaze as a victoria's secret ad. It may be a little more sophisticated, but its stemming from the same place. #lingeriesaudi
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The message I got was that she dressed in lingerie for herself, not because it promised to please men or because she would be showing it to anyone. Rather, I thought it effectively conveyed the idea that the right undergarments can make a woman feel confident and good about herself, regardless if anyone sees it. That said, my first reaction was, "Whaa...a lingerie ad geared towards women? Why, I have never heard of such a thing!"--That's a good thing. #lingeriesaudi
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A few years ago, maybe Christmas time, they went so far as to have some model writhing in a bed with satin sheets. I may be totally wrong, but I think that's pretty clear image directed at men, who don't buy the lingerie. I guess the intellectual leap is that you, as a woman, are supposed to aspire to that and therefore, men will want to sleep with you.
I thought the beauty of the advertisement above was that it sort of tricks you into believing that it is a standard lingerie ad. The twist in the end made me personally, breathe a sigh of relief and actually smile--which I've never done at a lingerie commercial.
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I like it. That woman, up until the 40th-second of that commercial, could have been any woman, in any country. I felt united with her-- if only in the fallacy of the commercial. #lingeriesaudi
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We've talked about this before, how lingerie is often sold as a way for women to turn men on, but here, it was just for her.
I totally get what you're saying about "under the veil" and all that, and I think it's a valid point. But still, lingerie for the wearer's enjoyment over the beholder's enjoyment (despite this being a commercial) is still a good message, I think. #lingeriesaudi
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But, in the context of the "action" it just seemed like the woman was genuinely enjoying getting dressed and admiring herself. Often in commercials like this there is a boyfriend in the background, or the implication that the woman is waiting for a man to arrive, at which point the lingerie will be taken off again.
I just didn't get the sense that that was what was going on here. #lingeriesaudi
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Empowering to women? Not to me. #lingeriesaudi
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