But I am never going to accept the fact that someone wrote a vampire novel in which the vampire "waits until marriage" (!!), goes on a tropical honeymoon, and has sex. intercourse and a baby.
(Wikipedia tells me that this is how it goes down!)
"In Eclipse, Bella's dress is described as an early 1900s design [...] Maid of Honor Alice Cullen's modern tweaks to the train and veil. "You look like you just stepped out of an Austen movie." "
Also, Lhuillier's dress is described as 1920s-style.
Um, Twihards just conflated fashion of an entire century. And I judge them for it.
@JerkoftheMonth: Oh gosh, I'm so sorry for what I'm about to write:
Edward was killed during the Spanish influenza outbreak in 1918 and the dress was meant to evoke that era. Her mother said the Austen comment and it was noted in the book that her mother was off by about 100 years.
Ok, I have to go cry for myself now.
OK, I guess is slightly OT, but I have a friend who LOVES these books. She talks about them all the time. I have so far successfully avoided watching the movie or reading the books because a.) I've heard they are terribly written and sexist as all get out and b.) if I'm going to read about vampires they better not be sparkling and playing baseball. However, I know she will continually up the pressure to read them and watch the movies and talk about them. Is it worth reading Twilight so during these conversations I can say with some authority it is sexist drivel and G-d damn it, read Dracula if you like vampires so damn much?
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: I think so. I read them to take the piss out of them, and I think it's a great way to actually back up an argument that they are bad, anti-feminist, creepy, and self-indulgent. That said, they are a quick read and mildly entertaining, especially if you read certain passages out loud to your friends (i.e. when Edward had to run really fast away from Bella because he gets too "thirsty". Haha BONER!)
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: No. What you need to do is go over to Cleolinda Jones' website and read her sarcastic, literate, high-larious recaps of the books and movie. I have not read Twilight but I am able to have informed conversations mocking it due to Cleolinda. (Ha ha sparkling! They named their kid after the Loch Ness Monster! OMGWTF WHY IS THE WOLF IN LOVE WITH THE BABY) Warning: Cleo's writing is SO FUNNY you really will do that thing people are always claiming to do and spit tea at your keyboard from hysterical laughing. [cleoland.pbworks.com]
@pesematology: over on ONTD, they are having a field day with the description of the dress which is supposedly described as early 1900s, as well as..Austen-like. One of these things is not like the other...
@valhalla_i_am_coming: It's probably a leveling thing from when she began her sketch. When I sketch forms like that I generally start with blocks of the body and that line will usually represent the line of the eyes. That would be my guess, she just leaves them in as some kind of signature?
@Penny: Right...I've done that with figures, too...at the hips and shoulders, usually...but the lines are so huge and distracting. I like your "signature" theory.
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Actually, it's a costume for the circus, and the model is a clown. They all climb into a tiny clown car with cans tied to the bumper at the end.
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Actually, Bella is riding on Edward's shoulders, wearing her wedding dress, as he runs through the forest. It's hard to tell from that sketch.
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: Are you 11feet tall? If so, yes, that dress is YOURS, Zombie! (How do you even translate sketches like these into clothes for, yk, people? Because that flare is going to have to start somewhere...)
Copying ideas isn't copyright infringement, and the points at which the similarity of expression are the greatest seem very scenes a faire. My guess? This lawsuit isn't going anywhere.
Q: What's the difference between a plagarizing writer and a vampire?
A: One sucks the life out of the living, feeding on their blood like a parasite, and the other one is a mythical undead creature.
Both books contain a scene about a woman who's sick because she's carrying a child with "evil powers"
I think Ira Levin has them all beat. Rosemary was carrying an evil fetus when Bella was just a twinkle in Stephanie Meyer's eye.
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: seriously! Lost Souls by Poppy Z. Brite also has vampire birth that kills the mother... and a similar situation happens in Breaking Dawn. I don't think it is plagiarism, just lack of originality.
So; I've never read the Twilight books short of a couple pages here and there in Borders or what-not.
So, I've finally read the spoilers online and... seriously? VAMPIRE FETUSES?! Are you fucking kidding me?!?!
So, yeah, Jordan Scott, if you're saying Meyer copied you... keep that under wraps, dude.
@LaComtesse: "VAMPIRE FETUSES?!"
Oh, you haven't even seen. One of the fans crafted one out of textiles or whatever media. Jez did a feature on it. I'm not going to link to it. You're welcome.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: *blink* *blink* *blink*
@IBleedGlitter: The High Priestess of Tinsel: I would have had Lestat's baby, but Ann Rice vampires have no bodily functions at all, so theirs is a chaste, but very sexy love.
@LaComtesse: Yeah, I'm pretty sure the only way I'd want my name attached to that book is if I was making a bazillion dollars off it, and even then, I'd consider a nom de plume.
@IBleedGlitter: The High Priestess of Tinsel: It's really not the most original of ideas, is it? I may or may not have had one similar to it during my vampire phase.
I looked over her comparisons, and I don't think she has a case. I mean, yeah, they're similar, but they have a similar arc and both are filled with cliches. So... they both kinda blow. :/
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But I am never going to accept the fact that someone wrote a vampire novel in which the vampire "waits until marriage" (!!), goes on a tropical honeymoon, and has sex. intercourse and a baby.
(Wikipedia tells me that this is how it goes down!)
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That Monique Lhullier dress is classy n' all, but if I were a vampire I would definitely be concerned with absorbency. Think something more like this:
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Also, Lhuillier's dress is described as 1920s-style.
Um, Twihards just conflated fashion of an entire century. And I judge them for it.
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Edward was killed during the Spanish influenza outbreak in 1918 and the dress was meant to evoke that era. Her mother said the Austen comment and it was noted in the book that her mother was off by about 100 years.
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And yes, it's a BITCH finding pants that fit.
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A: One sucks the life out of the living, feeding on their blood like a parasite, and the other one is a mythical undead creature.
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I think Ira Levin has them all beat. Rosemary was carrying an evil fetus when Bella was just a twinkle in Stephanie Meyer's eye.
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So, I've finally read the spoilers online and... seriously? VAMPIRE FETUSES?! Are you fucking kidding me?!?!
So, yeah, Jordan Scott, if you're saying Meyer copied you... keep that under wraps, dude.
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Oh, you haven't even seen. One of the fans crafted one out of textiles or whatever media. Jez did a feature on it. I'm not going to link to it. You're welcome.
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@IBleedGlitter: The High Priestess of Tinsel: I would have had Lestat's baby, but Ann Rice vampires have no bodily functions at all, so theirs is a chaste, but very sexy love.
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I looked over her comparisons, and I don't think she has a case. I mean, yeah, they're similar, but they have a similar arc and both are filled with cliches. So... they both kinda blow. :/