My sisters and I grew up out of the states for the better part of our lives. The eldest is rather thin and has always been. This of course is NOT because of a lack of trying. But of course, why should she try right? Why should anyone try to be anything other than what happens to arise at any given moment? In her case it was because she was subjected to jeers and ridicule all of her life. A favorite of the family was "Zopope". This is a compound word. "Zo" comes from the the french "os" meaning bones. And "pope" comes from the french "poupee" meaning doll. Thus Bone Doll or more acurately in english Doll of bones. What a dehumanizing set of words to put together--and call someone. You get an image of an unresponsive plastic set of bones that mimics human form.
The reverse was happening with our family. Fat is associated with wealth and health as it is with many poor countries. And this is nothing to celebrate because the same set of dehumanizing insults are recreated with a different group of people.
The problem is that fat people, fat lives, and fat bodies are also signifiers for poor lives and poor bodies. And if there is ever a thing that we fear it is poverty. Thus our obsession with fat and our need to clean this fat up is largely in part due to the fact that the american culture is sooooo keen on pretending that poverty is non-existent. That it is a problem apart from all of our other problems like sexism and racism, ableism and sizeism. And really if we could just give those poor people a make over then really, we'd never have to think about it ever again!
(I realize that a. not all fat people are poor, and that b. poverty is not the only factor at work in the fat lives. But really the point had to be made.) #antifathatecrimes
Okay, so I was in a thrift store with my mother recently, and a little boy yelled "fat girl!" I thought nothing of it...because I didn't think he was talking to me. Then he came closer to me and yelled "FAT GIRL!" and I turned around and yelled "I'm gonna FUCK YOU UP!" I wasn't neccessarily planning to cause him any bodily harm, but thats a stock response to someone making fun of me, ya know? regaurdless of age, the first thing I do is threaten. its sad that its gotten to the point where people have to roam the earth ever thinking that they're not good enough or that they have to always keep an insult in their pocket "just in case" someone decides spread their hate around.
he ran away. I thought about chasing him all the way to his mother and kicking her in the face. It starts with the parents...kids that young don't have hate on their own. They truly don't. I pretty much RAISE my nephew, he's about 6 months old at the moment and as I bathe him and feed him and rock him to sleep...I whisper to him things like "love everyone. you're growing up with so much love and all I want for you is to spread that love around."
fear and self loathing and insecurity and plain old bitterness fuels these things. #antifathatecrimes
Oh, Lord. I am fat, and I can't tell you the hurtful things I've experienced. I'm trying my best to get over it, and to an extent I have. Yes, I'm fat! So what? I need to buy those pants. Everyone laughts at fat people. My own small niece has called me fat, not realizing how hurtful it is. The anorexic models, the worship of thin celebrities, the clothes that are huge tents in my size, all contribute to ostracize me from society. Why can't we just get over it!!! #antifathatecrimes
Something like this, though not nearly as severe, happened to me on the bus on my way home Monday. A man sat next to me and after a while, started to elbow me. I yelled at him to stop and not touch me. He pushed into my seat and I told him to get off of me. He started yelling at me and calling me a fat ass. Yes, I'm fat, but that doesn't give him any fucking right to abuse me.
After a while, I got scared of him. He was about a foot taller than me and seemed crazy. When he elbowed me again, I hit his arm w/my umbrella. He hauled off and punched me several times. This continued until he got off of the bus.
As he left the crowded bus, he kept yelling at me. No one on the bus tried to help me at all. As he left, they LAUGHED.
Prejudice against fat people is the only acceptable prejudice left. If this man had used a racial/ethnic/religious/homophobic slur, someone would have said something.
Watching TV, you see comedians like Conan O'Brien, who I used to enjoy and respect, telling fat jokes every night. It makes the situation worse. #antifathatecrimes
@MissTicklebritches: You have no idea of the world we live in if you think that racial/ethnic/religious/homophobia prejudices are no longer around. There are many instances in which people are loudly and violently abused for being all of the above and people turn their head. Fat prejudice is NOT the only acceptable prejudice left. Do not say something like that if you want to be taken seriously. #antifathatecrimes
Also, please see this part of the article, right above your comment
"They even get bonus points for not falling into the "it's the last acceptable prejudice!" trap (please see rule 11 if you were thinking of doing that in comments here), while making it clear that it very much is a widely acceptable prejudice, with real consequences for real people"
@phnuggle: Very much so. Ignorance of other people's struggles when I could give you a list of names of transpeople killed, a list of ethnic minorities killed, a list of Sikh people harassed, beaten, and killed, a list of gay students harassed, beaten, and killed, you CAN NOT say fat is the last acceptable prejudice. It is soaking in ignorance and privilege. #antifathatecrimes
@MissTicklebritches: I almost cried just reading your comment. I'm so sorry that no one in your situation stepped up. I'm proud to say I've been the one to step up in situations where public behavior is unacceptable. I wish I could have been there for you. #antifathatecrimes
@Chivone: Remember to keep things in context when you're telling other people they broke the rules - you need to if you want to be taken seriously. The "last acceptable prejudice" comment is a cliche and incorrect, yes, but sometimes it can feel that way, especially when discussing physical attacks.
@MissTicklebritches: I am so sorry that happened to you. And thank-you for telling your story. Hopefully people look beyond the one cliched but understandable comment and instead read your story and remember it the next time they are eye-witnesses to violence - any violence. #antifathatecrimes
First, this is really scary. I always feel self-conscious on public transit, and I'm not all that large, in the scheme of things; there are usually people who are bigger than me. (I'm also proportioned so I look "thinner" than I am--I weigh more than some of the contestants on The Biggest Loser, but my body shape is different.) But I feel so guilty and end up scrunching in half a seat while some skinny guy next to me splays his legs out. (Dude, if your dick were that large I could see it from space, I think and don't say.)
This whole story also made me remember that Dove ad a few years ago, where the one reporter from the Chicago Sun-Times said he only wanted to see thighs that fat fried and covered with bread crumbs, and there was all this hand-wringing about "promoting" fatness. There was an absolutely horrible episode of Bill Maher, and it drove me crazy that no one on the panel pointed out this was a totally non-reality-based inflation of beauty standards and health. I didn't know much about fat acceptance then, but it seemed so fucking obvious there was no way to know anything about the health of these women (who were definitely not obese, and some of them not even "plus-size, IIRC), and I'd bet some of them were healthier than some of the skinny Hollywood women who stay that way by subsisting on Red Bull and cocaine.*
*obviously some women are naturally skinny and healthy, but there are lots of people who look sick--ashen, dark circles, haggard, bleary gaze, but they're "healthy" because they're skinny. #antifathatecrimes
In my group of friends, we have a girl that is bigger than the rest of us. She's beautiful, and she has great curves that cause men to stop and talk to her on the street, usually in a very flattering way (as much as someone cat calling you on the street is flattering... a different subject for a different day).
The thing is, she talks about dieting all the time. She talks about how she doesn't want to wear tight clothes on Halloween because she thinks she's too fat, and she's upset that she's gained back some weight since her wedding (you really can't tell, but I guess she can). None of us know how to deal with this. I want my friend to realize how beautiful she is and that she has a great body. What do I do? We try and tell her, but I don't think it sinks in. #antifathatecrimes
@judgingamy: I don't think there is much that you can do to completely stop this kind of thinking. Insecurity can run pretty deep even in the most beautiful of people. All you can do is to remind her pften of all the ways you think she is beautiful, and try to gently dissuade her if she decides to try anything unhealthy. #antifathatecrimes
@LaComtesse: I've heard an excellent distinction between hate crimess and "regular" crimes. Hate crimes strike at groups of communities. When a gay man is beaten to death by homophobes, it affects the community in a way that a gay man being killed because his nephew wants to hasten the inheritance does not. I think it was Melissa at Shakesville who came up with that, but I'm not sure. #antifathatecrimes
@PoisonPixie: No, not all crimes are hate crimes. Hate crimes are those that are committed by someone who chooses a victim based on membership to a certain group that he or she doesn't like. #antifathatecrimes
Maybe I live in a hole, but I haven't had anything this blatant directed towards me. I always feel negativity about my size in more subtle ways.
A couple of months ago, a colleague of mine was eating a salad and asked me if I wanted to finish it for her. I don't know what insulted me more, the suggestion that I needed to eat the vegetables or the idea that I was going to eat her food. I was just floored that someone would even ask me that (especially since she saw me eating an hour before). I still wonder if she thought that I had so little self control that I was going to devour any food in my line of sight.
If someone did try to jump me or beat me, thinking that I was just a fat, weak, target, they'd have something coming to them. I work out daily and have some pretty decent muscle mass under my fat. #antifathatecrimes
@psychgirl1221: Gawd, how I hate crazy co-workers. I had a bunch earlier this year (who I called the platewatchers) who were always giving my packed lunch the side-eye. (Yes, it was as ridiculous as it sounds.) Then we went to a restaurant for lunch one day and I ordered a salad, not pizza like they did, (i.e. as per, I ate exactly what I wanted) and they were grumpy about that too. Idiots. #antifathatecrimes
@psychgirl1221: Maybe there is some underlying current that is not obvious from your post and caused you to make this assumption about this person, but there are some people who just hate leaving food unfinished and so will offer it to other people if they fear it will go to waste. You may think that this is disgusting and insulting but it's possible she was just trying to be friendly. #antifathatecrimes
@staryberry: Like I said, she had watched me eat my lunch about an hour before. I probably should have mentioned that she had brought in her Wendy's salad and probably only took 2-3 bites. #antifathatecrimes
It is always surprising to me how quickly grown people resort to grade school name calling. Calling someone "fat" is the go to insult to hurl at females. It's like the worse thing they can think of to say. Someone takes your parking spot? Call them a fat ass. Someone cuts you in line? Call them a fat ass.
The level of verbal abuse heaped upon the overweight is mind boggling. #antifathatecrimes
@Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: Every time I hear "fat" used in this way it feels like a slap in the face. Even though I'm trying to reclaim the word and I actually prefer it as a descriptor... when someone "hurls" it as an insult (good word choice you), I physically recoil.
@noisy doll: 'Fat slut' is so silly, when you try to make sense of it.
Some knob-end called me that the other day when I suggested that, as he was riding his bicycle on the pavement, not on the road, he was perhaps not a grown man but a little boy. #antifathatecrimes
@Plum-Pie: I think that it doesn't actually matter whether you're fat or not; someone will just say that to make sure that you question yourself and wonder "do I deserve that somehow?" to be as hurtful as possible. Like how cat-callers just carpet-bomb female passersby. They just hope that they'll get a rise out of someone by saying it to anyone. #antifathatecrimes
@noisy doll: A smarter-than-me Jezebel once commented that as soon as you apply the slightest criticism to many cultural norms (specifically grotesque judgement of women's appearance and sexual behaviour), almost all insults typically leveled at women are rendered completely toothless. (Or should that be castrated?!) #antifathatecrimes
@stella_vegbik: Yesterday I was discussing with a friend of mine some issues she's having with another of our friends who she just became roommates at college with. They are having a lot of conflict over the differences in their religion (they are both Christian, but one is Catholic) and it made me start thinking how many of society's issues like this could be solved with, "Mind your own business.". More people should. #antifathatecrimes
@Dictator for Life: simple answer: fear. Fear that he will fall back into it so distancing and dehumanizing it and/or separation anxiety - he's not quite comfortable with his new identity as a thin person so he's pushing people away that remind him of himself.
@judgingamy: i don't know about "hate". both of my parents smoked and quit over 30 years ago...they can't stand smoKING, not the smoKERS, because they understand it...they were smokers once, too. #antifathatecrimes
the kicker is that dictator for life's fiance', plus or minus 90 pounds is still fundamentally the same guy on the inside. HE knows that, but because his outside has changed, he's trying to act like the 90 pounds heavier guy never existed, and that's a lie...and it's hard to not feel like your personality has to change because your outside has changed.
I've been really appalled at my roommate in recent weeks. She's a runner, and so is pretty fit, but she watches shows like the Biggest Loser and talks about how grossed out she is by the contestants and says she doesn't understand how any of them are married (!?!?!). Or she watches Glee with me and complains about "the fat girl" and says she looks disgusting. For someone who in all other aspects of her life has her head screwed on straight, I can't understand where this comes from and also can't figure out how to get her to see how wrong it is.
I probably feel worse because I know that I've put on a lot of weight in the time that I've known her. This just means that after she says this stuff I'm left wondering "Are you thinking this about me too?" #antifathatecrimes
@Ms.Moneypenny: This is my issue with BL. It pretends to be some high and mighty helpful show, but in the end, it's just a reason to parade obese people around in ill fitting clothing in some attempt to make the rest of us feel disgust, shame, whatever. I'm only disgusted that this show does this at all. I cannot imagine the contract clauses that allow the producers to dress you in whatever they choose, no matter how many sizes too small it may be.
And let's not get me started on the constant harping about how so-and-so is the 'biggest ever'. Nice...real nice.
Decency and politeness is out the window, I'm afraid. #antifathatecrimes
@Ms.Moneypenny: Have you thought about asking her if she does? The answer might be instructive for her and for you as well as help open her eyes to the hurtful and hateful words she's spewing. #antifathatecrimes
@Ms.Moneypenny: um, i'd ask her the last question. perhaps it would force her to confront some deep rooted ideas and issues that she has, but better to give her the opportunity to explain herself so you know if she has a rhetorical leg to stand on, so to speak. #antifathatecrimes
To answer the question posed in the hed, I think the answer is "About as seriously as rape, sexual harassment, and domestic violence make people take feminism." And that ain't much. If only we could all lose weight and grow dicks, eh? #antifathatecrimes
You know, there have been times when I have had unsavory thoughts about people based on their weight. And I can pretty much say it is unequivocally based on my own insecurities and sense of not being good, pretty or thin enough in that moment. It has absolutely nothing to do with them, because whether people around me are fat or thin absolutely does not affect my experience of the world one bit. Unfortunately, I think that's often why people are mean - if you're afraid you'll lose your money, you scoff at the poor. If you think you'll lose your looks, you disregard people whom you consider ugly. Perhaps it's society's collective fear of obesity that makes us such jerks about it - accepting fat people won't ruin society, it will probably just make us all a bit nicer in the end. #antifathatecrimes
@rixatrix: Hell, I'm overweight (and not just slightly) and I've had those thoughts about other fat people (especially those bigger than me). It *is* totally fear-based. I am working on changing this about myself. Fat people are people! #antifathatecrimes
@serreca: Yes, and plenty of the people I *love* are fat - where does that disconnect happen? Maybe I just think terrible thoughts about all kinds of people... #antifathatecrimes
@rixatrix: I think fear has everything to do with it. It's like how all the super-macho guys in high school made sexist jokes and called everything gay.
I think now it's like, if you see a very overweight person, it's sort of expected that you'll turn to your friend and say something like, "Wow, ew," or "If I'm ever that fat, smother me to death." I've been guilty of saying those things - and I'm sorry. It really is insecurity, fear and worry. #antifathatecrimes
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The reverse was happening with our family. Fat is associated with wealth and health as it is with many poor countries. And this is nothing to celebrate because the same set of dehumanizing insults are recreated with a different group of people.
The problem is that fat people, fat lives, and fat bodies are also signifiers for poor lives and poor bodies. And if there is ever a thing that we fear it is poverty. Thus our obsession with fat and our need to clean this fat up is largely in part due to the fact that the american culture is sooooo keen on pretending that poverty is non-existent. That it is a problem apart from all of our other problems like sexism and racism, ableism and sizeism. And really if we could just give those poor people a make over then really, we'd never have to think about it ever again!
(I realize that a. not all fat people are poor, and that b. poverty is not the only factor at work in the fat lives. But really the point had to be made.) #antifathatecrimes
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he ran away. I thought about chasing him all the way to his mother and kicking her in the face. It starts with the parents...kids that young don't have hate on their own. They truly don't. I pretty much RAISE my nephew, he's about 6 months old at the moment and as I bathe him and feed him and rock him to sleep...I whisper to him things like "love everyone. you're growing up with so much love and all I want for you is to spread that love around."
fear and self loathing and insecurity and plain old bitterness fuels these things. #antifathatecrimes
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After a while, I got scared of him. He was about a foot taller than me and seemed crazy. When he elbowed me again, I hit his arm w/my umbrella. He hauled off and punched me several times. This continued until he got off of the bus.
As he left the crowded bus, he kept yelling at me. No one on the bus tried to help me at all. As he left, they LAUGHED.
Prejudice against fat people is the only acceptable prejudice left. If this man had used a racial/ethnic/religious/homophobic slur, someone would have said something.
Watching TV, you see comedians like Conan O'Brien, who I used to enjoy and respect, telling fat jokes every night. It makes the situation worse. #antifathatecrimes
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However.
"Prejudice against fat people is the only acceptable prejudice left. "
Um, no.
Hopefully Kate will correct you on this.
Also, please see this part of the article, right above your comment
"They even get bonus points for not falling into the "it's the last acceptable prejudice!" trap (please see rule 11 if you were thinking of doing that in comments here), while making it clear that it very much is a widely acceptable prejudice, with real consequences for real people"
in case she doesn't have time. #antifathatecrimes
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I certainly don't mean to hint that no one else faces prejudice or bigotry. I suppose I'm just more sensitive to the anti-fat stuff because I'm fat.
I certainly didn't mean to offend and I apologize for that part of my comment. #antifathatecrimes
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@MissTicklebritches: I am so sorry that happened to you. And thank-you for telling your story. Hopefully people look beyond the one cliched but understandable comment and instead read your story and remember it the next time they are eye-witnesses to violence - any violence. #antifathatecrimes
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This whole story also made me remember that Dove ad a few years ago, where the one reporter from the Chicago Sun-Times said he only wanted to see thighs that fat fried and covered with bread crumbs, and there was all this hand-wringing about "promoting" fatness. There was an absolutely horrible episode of Bill Maher, and it drove me crazy that no one on the panel pointed out this was a totally non-reality-based inflation of beauty standards and health. I didn't know much about fat acceptance then, but it seemed so fucking obvious there was no way to know anything about the health of these women (who were definitely not obese, and some of them not even "plus-size, IIRC), and I'd bet some of them were healthier than some of the skinny Hollywood women who stay that way by subsisting on Red Bull and cocaine.*
*obviously some women are naturally skinny and healthy, but there are lots of people who look sick--ashen, dark circles, haggard, bleary gaze, but they're "healthy" because they're skinny. #antifathatecrimes
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The thing is, she talks about dieting all the time. She talks about how she doesn't want to wear tight clothes on Halloween because she thinks she's too fat, and she's upset that she's gained back some weight since her wedding (you really can't tell, but I guess she can). None of us know how to deal with this. I want my friend to realize how beautiful she is and that she has a great body. What do I do? We try and tell her, but I don't think it sinks in. #antifathatecrimes
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Overthrow patriarchal capitalism. Call me if you need a hand. #antifathatecrimes
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If a woman who has lets say 35% body fat and very very large breast, large hips and a proportionally small waist, they are treated with more respect.
Whereas, another woman with 35% body fat, who carries it around their middle, thighs, or butt, is not shown the same amount of respect.
This is something that people have no control over, but it affects how they are perceived, and in this case comes down to beauty standards.
The whole conversation is just frustrating, there's way too much vanity in our society. #antifathatecrimes
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A couple of months ago, a colleague of mine was eating a salad and asked me if I wanted to finish it for her. I don't know what insulted me more, the suggestion that I needed to eat the vegetables or the idea that I was going to eat her food. I was just floored that someone would even ask me that (especially since she saw me eating an hour before). I still wonder if she thought that I had so little self control that I was going to devour any food in my line of sight.
If someone did try to jump me or beat me, thinking that I was just a fat, weak, target, they'd have something coming to them. I work out daily and have some pretty decent muscle mass under my fat. #antifathatecrimes
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The level of verbal abuse heaped upon the overweight is mind boggling. #antifathatecrimes
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Some knob-end called me that the other day when I suggested that, as he was riding his bicycle on the pavement, not on the road, he was perhaps not a grown man but a little boy. #antifathatecrimes
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on the flip side, men call each other fat all the time, regardless of their age or whether they actually are overweight or not. #antifathatecrimes
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Still shitty behavior though. #antifathatecrimes
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the kicker is that dictator for life's fiance', plus or minus 90 pounds is still fundamentally the same guy on the inside. HE knows that, but because his outside has changed, he's trying to act like the 90 pounds heavier guy never existed, and that's a lie...and it's hard to not feel like your personality has to change because your outside has changed.
i hope he comes around. #antifathatecrimes
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I probably feel worse because I know that I've put on a lot of weight in the time that I've known her. This just means that after she says this stuff I'm left wondering "Are you thinking this about me too?" #antifathatecrimes
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And let's not get me started on the constant harping about how so-and-so is the 'biggest ever'. Nice...real nice.
Decency and politeness is out the window, I'm afraid. #antifathatecrimes
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I think now it's like, if you see a very overweight person, it's sort of expected that you'll turn to your friend and say something like, "Wow, ew," or "If I'm ever that fat, smother me to death." I've been guilty of saying those things - and I'm sorry. It really is insecurity, fear and worry. #antifathatecrimes