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utensil42
09/17/09

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So, here's a question. If her cause of death was asphyxiation (as is being reported), then why are they allegedly focusing on bloody clothes that were found stuffed in the ceiling?
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LoSpaz
09/17/09

@utensil42: I had assumed that the bloody clothes were the killer's, and bloody because Annie Le fought back - scratching or biting or something. I think that's what they tested for DNA prior to making this arrest - I suppose the blood could also have been an animal's, considering the tech's job, and that's what they were ruling out.
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utensil42
09/17/09

@LoSpaz: Yeah, I just don't see there being a whole lot of blood created by defensive wounds. Maybe this is just my bias, but when I hear "bloody clothes" I'm thinking more than a few spots.

I assumed the DNA was to test for fingernail scrapings under her nails or hair found on her clothes or body.

Also, no way in hell the DNA is back already, no matter how much they rushed the order. It's been, what, 24 hours? No way.
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moonwalking
09/17/09

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The fact that he was covered in bruises and scratches is really upsetting. While they could have come from anywhere, it is likely they are the result of the victim trying to defend herself. The poor woman fought for her life but he still overpowered her. I cannot imagine the terror she must have felt. R.I.P. Ms. Le.
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kentuckienne
09/17/09

@moonwalking: They found a bead from her necklace on the lab floor. She clearly did what you're supposed to do, which is fight like hell. That makes this all the more sad, in my opinion.
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dirtdevilabortion
09/17/09

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I don't live very far from New Haven, so this whole thing has been kind of scary and depressing. When I found out that they found her body on the day she was to be married, that freaked me out. I went to a wedding on Friday and was still feeling especially lovey towards the bf, so I didn't take that bit of news well.

I'm glad they arrested someone, and I hope more comes to light about why he might have done this. Other than, you know, owning mean, scary, BAD animals like pit bulls...
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Dictator for Life
09/17/09

@dirtdevilabortion: Pit bulls are only scary if they're trained to be. My half pit/half lab has never gone at an animal or a person on his own. When dogs bark at him, he'll bark back, and sometimes strain at his leash, but even when other dogs have physically gone at him, he hasn't fought back. When small dogs bark at him and he barks back, he's the one who gets the dirty looks, of course, since he's the big one. Pit bulls can have all sorts of personalities, just like other dogs. As long as they haven't been trained to be fighters, they won't fight. We rescued ours from a fighting facility, right before they were going to kill him -- his mom, a breeder, wasn't supposed to have done it with a lab, so that litter was going to be killed. Luckily the place was raided and all the puppies were given up for adoption.
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dirtdevilabortion
09/17/09

@Dictator for Life: Oh, I'm well aware of that. My last statement was meant to be more sarcastic. I actually really like pit bulls, I kind of hope to get one when I'm in my own place. PEOPLE are the ones who are bad, and can make animals bad and make them do things for their own purposes/(sick) "entertainment". His owning pit bulls obviously does not make him a murderer, and the fact that this was deemed indicative of murderous tendencies by the neighbor is kind of laughably ridiculous.
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Penny
09/17/09

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Also, the pit bull thing. Now, I am scared shitless of pit bulls, but just because someone owns them does not mean.....anything, really. Also, the caging.....people cage-train their dogs, it's pretty commonplace.
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BAngieB
09/17/09

@Penny: I know a hot corporate lawyer who has a pit bull, and she is SCARY.

And, yeah, crating (caging) is perfectly normal, pups like having their own den.
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Never_Nude
09/17/09

@BAngieB: Who's scary? The hot lawyer or the dog? I generally like all animals, but I encountered one neighbor's pit bull that scared the shit out of me. I think they used him for fighting. His name was Two-Face and he looked at you with murder in his eyes.
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lilbobbytables
09/17/09

@Penny: Aww. I have a pit mix who is cage trained. I like to think that neither Buddy nor I are bad mammals! He likes his house!
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BAngieB
09/17/09

@Never_Nude: The lawyer.
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SarahMC
09/17/09

@Never_Nude: Could you (all of you) please stop spreading the myth that pit bull = scary? If your neighbors were using their pit bull for fighting they are BAD PEOPLE, the dogs are not bad dogs. For chrissakes.
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Dictator for Life
09/17/09

@Penny: Yeah, see my comment above. Also, our half pit/half lab is kept in a crate whenever we can't watch him super-closely. The last time we had him out and left the room, he ate half a pull-toy, which required $4K in surgery 3 months later, after it had blocked his intestines completely. He gets long walks and time outside of the crate, but if we can't watch him to make sure he's not eating anything, he's in there.
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Penny
09/17/09

@all: Yeah, to be clear, I am not a pit pull fan. I saw one maul a cat when I was young and my good friend and his husband (a gay couple owning a pit....imagine that) have one that attacked our dog. It's taken me a year to even be around her, and she's VERY sweet. They are just a very protective breed. But, I did talk to my friend a few weeks back and he says he won't get another one, because they can never let her off her leash (whereas my boyfriend and I walk our dog all the time unleashed) and he doesn't even want her around kids.

In the end, I have come to appreciate the breed and respect that they need special care, but they still scare me. I'm a wuss.
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Penny
09/17/09

@Penny: And, most importantly, I won't judge someone's character based on what kind of damn dog they own, nor should anyone else.
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Penny
09/17/09

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I have to say, "workplace violence" was one of the last things I thought this was, and if I did consider it at all, it was because of the security of the building. This guy must have been seriously on the verge....I can't imagine she could have done anything that horrible to set him off.
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lalaland13
09/17/09

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I'm still creeped out by the neighbors freakin' applauding when he was taken away the first time for DNA sampling. God, people. You can stand there and quietly nod your approval if you really want to. But don't clap or cheer or play "Hit the Road Jack." Because if you do think this guy is a murderer, why would you want to get his attention?
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MuleCat
09/17/09

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Is there any media coverage of the groom or is he staying private? I can't help but think the media would make this story all about the widowed bride if it had been the other way around.
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EdnasEdibles
09/17/09

@MuleCat: I admit I'm curious about him too but I also completely understand how he must be totally devestated that his fiance is dead and the media isn't too kind to spouses involved in news stories like this. So he is being very smart.
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Ms Meghan
09/17/09

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I find the whole thing unsettling. Why did he do it? That's what I want to know.
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SarahMC
09/17/09

@Ms Meghan: He had pit bulls. Pit bulls! You know what that means.
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morninggloria
09/17/09

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What is wrong with me that the first things I thought of were New York Post style pun headlines?

"Nobody loves Raymond."
"Clark (behind) Bars."
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GeorgeFayne
09/17/09

@morninggloria: Congratulations on making the first joke about this that I actually laughed at.
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BoogedyBoo
09/17/09

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Did anyone see The Today Show this morning? Meredith made the mistake of interviewing a former neighbor of Raymond Clark. The woman basically stood there and listed all the reasons she didn't like him. They'r3 so quick to put any "witness" on camera...
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SarahMC
09/17/09

@BoogedyBoo: Ugh, yes. He sounds like a jerk, but then she said, "And he had two pit bulls."

*pause*

Like that's all the evidence we need to know he's a shady character.
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WaltzingMatilda
09/17/09

@SarahMC: It is shit like this that freaks me out.

I could see my neighborlady being interviewed about me: "She left her dead plants on her deck. For months. She killed her plants and then let them sit there. I knew she was a terrible person."
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SarahMC
09/17/09

@WaltzingMatilda: She followed it up with, "You know... pit bulls are mean animals!"

Disgusting. Humans are mean animals you stupid twat.
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stacyinbean
09/17/09

@SarahMC: Geez, one of my cats can be a real dick sometimes. I'd better not let any of the neighbors know.
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Maritsa
09/17/09

@SarahMC: Everyone knows pit bull owner = psycho!!! Christ.
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Maritsa
09/17/09

@WaltzingMatilda: "Their pool is green, and they have weeds coming up the cracks of their patio. I'm sure she killed those nuns."
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ozu
09/17/09

@BoogedyBoo: Did you read the recent New Yorker article on Cameron Todd Willingham's execution where the eye witness testimonies immediately changed for the worse once the neighbors found out he was being charged?

Scary how quickly people's perceptions can change depending on events after the fact.
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ytuhermanotambien
09/17/09

@SarahMC: This just makes me worry that if I ever get raped, nobody will believe it because the neighbors will say I bring boys home a lot.
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MissFiFi
09/17/09

@BoogedyBoo: And if he was not under arrest, same neighbor would day he was such a nice boy who always said hello. People can be such shit.
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rednrowdy
09/17/09

@BoogedyBoo: ooh, you know meredith was all "why didn't matt get this interview instead of me?"

i rarely talk to my neighbors but am close with my landlord. i hope if something happened to me that they would give a better interview than that neighbor of clark's did.

then again, if somebody interviewed me about the folks who live across the street, i could talk about all of the yelling i've heard outside of that house...crazy stuff. no pit bulls, though!
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morninggloria
09/17/09

@WaltzingMatilda: "Her cat is constantly meowing. Lord knows what she's doing in there. Sometimes, I hear Disney cartoons playing loudly and smell pot smoke coming out of the windows. That boy that lives there with her is Mexican. MEXICAN! She's a bad egg."
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ytuhermanotambien
09/17/09

@ozu: That article was so sad. I wish more people (jurors, especially) understood how faulty the human memory can be.
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WaltzingMatilda
09/17/09

@morninggloria: "Y'know, she recently changed her name from that mildly threatening Sicilian name to that scary illegal immigrant Mexican name. That's when I knew she was up to no good. Plus, she can't mow lawns, so what good is she to us? I say she gets the death penalty. That's why I support it. I hate illegals."
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Maritsa
09/17/09

@WaltzingMatilda: She continued: "No, I'm not racist. How dare you?!"
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TheUptightMidwesterner
09/17/09

@BoogedyBoo: Ohmigod- when they make me perp walk out my house my neighbors are going to have a freaking field day. My spaniel is THE MOST EVIL DOG EVER!!
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Never_Nude
09/17/09

@morninggloria: You just described 90% of my clients!
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