i think the real kicker is what he said after that. "I like listening to you talk about history"
WHOA. Hold the presses. Women are worth listening to? They're not just something to stand there, look good and sell products? And if they are allowed to speak, they might have something interesting to say that doesn't involve semi-humorous anecdotes about their personal lives? And listening to a woman might actually be enjoyable? You might actually enjoy AND benefit from such a thing? That's wild! Someone tell Conan!
Interesting. I have been called smart by many guys, but not pretty (I've gotten cute, and nice butt, but certainly never beautiful). So, certainly I love the compliment, but I probably would swoon harder if someone called me pretty, since that is where I need validation.
"...but her conservative outfits and simple hair also give her a certain freedom — the freedom to talk about what she wants to talk about, without participating in a played-out sexual script."
That doesn't sound like freedom at all -- it's just an example of the constraint placed upon women that attractiveness supersedes intelligence, that one must be avoided in order for the other to be recognized. 'Choosing' to avoid attractiveness in order for her intelligence to be the subject of conversation isn't a choice at all, it's a sacrifice -- one that no one should have to make.
@loginname: i dont think shes "choosing" to avoid attractiveness, i think she's "choosing" to not base her self-worth in her appearance. she's not unattractive, shes actually pretty cute. she just doesn't appear to spend hours doing her hair and makeup or have a professional relationship with rachel zoe. Its not like shes going on the show in pajamas or with her hair sticking up in the back, shes just not going on all dolled up like we're used to seeing women on talk shows.
shes not there to sell a product based on her appearance (such a movie or tv show), but on her knowledge. knowledge doesnt need to be tarted up and paraded around in 4 inch heels. so if she doesnt feel the need to dress like that in her day to day, why would she bother for this?
some women dont actually spend a lot of time obsessing over their appearance, but that doesnt mean that they've forsaken attractiveness for intelligence. they've just prioritized it differently.
@loginname: If Vowell was conventionally attractive, then we could maybe argue that it's a choice. That she was somehow "playing down" her looks. I don't think she is, I think she likes how she looks and isn't interested in conforming it to anyone else's expectations.
She clearly dresses with an aesthetic in mind, she's not ungroomed or presenting an attitude that she doesn't care at all. Just that she doesn't care that much. And I think what she does "play up", if you want to call it that, is the fact that she's unusual looking, cute, spunky, and very bright. There should be room for that without claiming it's avoiding something.
Also, I mean, you seem to be assuming that there's only one kind of physical attractiveness which she would then need to be avoiding. Which is assuming she conforms to it in some way. Or that it's a sacrifice to her. It really doesn't seem to be.
By not feeling she needs to play into our rather narrow beauty standards I'd say Vowell is doing quite well.
Was it really only me who got a little weirded out by the "you're so smart" swoon?
The first thing I thought of is that Jon would never adoringly say "You're so smart" to any male author who went off on a hyperarticulate monologue about the topic of their book.
I didn't dwell on it, but it did register as a little patronizing.
@LaComtesse: He really has. What I admire about Jon Stewart is his ability to let the silt settle and see the person or subject he's addressing with stunningly clear accuracy. Which is why he's so funny.
And he's also the host of a comedy show - it's his job to make light of things every once in a while. In this case, it's how amazingly smart Sarah Vowell is.
Does it have to be that complimenting someone's mind is asexual? Intellect and sexuality can't be mutually exclusive. I need to ponder this.
Especially since my track record shows that I am the quickest into bed with intelligent men who look me meaningfully in the eyes and say "my god, you are so smart." Trust me, I've done the math.
@rodmanstreet: then you two talk about history the way i talk about literary movements.
"and then World War II happened, and Modernists were like, oh shit! art was supposed to save the world! and it didn't! and it's wayyyy more fucked up than we ever conceived of! FUCKKKKK. ok. let's keep writing, and remember our sincere roots, but like, be sarcastic and nihilistic to make up for how bummed we are about this situation."
@rodmanstreet: Yup. I'm always like "You know, the Puritans were all pissy about being restricted in their religious freedoms in England, but then they just put the smack down on any dissenters in their new colonies. It was uncool."
If my boyfriend ever leaves me, I'm pretty sure it will be for Sarah Vowell. I suppose I should take it as a compliment, as he likes smart, nerdy brunettes, and I definitely fit those categories. I am happy his crushes extend to the author of the Partly-Cloudy Patriot, and not so much to bikini models.
I recently saw her at an event at Symphony Space (this may or may not have been a Dr. Horrible Sing-Along that Mr. LaComtesse and his friends wanted me to go to that I may or may not have loved...) Anyway, she was great: she introduced the film and told us what charity it as going to and she was so incredibly charming and great. Though I must say: more than a little jealous of her enrapturing Jon Stewart.
@Ms.Moneypenny: I've always had mixed feelings on Whedon's work and still do but by GOD I've had a crush on him since that night. But Sarah's discussion of the "Super Hero Supply Store" was epic.
@LaComtesse: I met him at Comicon two years ago, at one of those stupid industry parties. Could not have been a more genuinely friendly and pleasant person...and I kind of geeked out. He was really sweet.
@alexherrera: I thought she said "They're" alive to me, meaning the historical figures? But I could totally be wrong! Either way, fab creepy pick up line :)
Being told that you are smart is the ultimate compliment. My current piece o' manflesh hooked me into dating him by stating, after an hour long conversation about brain hemisphere connectivity in men vs. women, "You are one of the most intelligent people I have ever known." Swooooonnnn....
I am generally a sad, weeping whore for any and all compliments, but (sincere) remarks about one's intelligence and/or wit are always the best. I think I can remember outright weeping when I got a COTD, then trying to explain to everyone what I was so worked up about. In other news, my co-workers think that I am batshit insane. They are correct.
@BetteD: Oh, shit people! I haz a star now? If I weep with gratitude like Sally Field one more time at work, I'm going to be busking on the corner for change instead of making marginally more at my current job!
I feel like I always have the best sex after a heated intellectual argument with Mister Cimorene. Especially if it's politically themed. Last night, doing the dishes whilst discussing biopower, Elizabethan England and its responses to China and Japan, and the Ottoman Empire's response to Catholicism seriously reminded me of why I am in a relationship with a man. Like, telling me about Aristotelian theories of citizenship? = swoon!
@JinxyMcDeath: I love that book! Not only are we both history nerds but she also loves The Godfather movies. I like the part where after a friend of hers says they don't like Godfather 2 she questions whether she wants to continue the friendship. Totally something I would do.
@ZombieApocalypse: My friend and I have a Zoolander litmus test. If you don't think it's funny, we aren't friends. Sorry, but my humor is that of a 15 year old boys, and I demand that all my friends have the same one.
Speaking of Letterman, I do particularly love how enamored he is of Amy Sedaris, and it's clearly not just because she's cute.
Word on the blushing, though. Telling me I'm pretty will get a guy nowhere – but if he calls me smart or funny (and is smart or funny enough himself to recognize it), well, that's gonna get at least an embarrassed giggle and an 'Oh, stop!'
@HeatherNumber1: My current crush earned his place a few years ago (I know, I'm pathetic) by laughing appreciatively at a wisecrack I made. That was hot.
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WHOA. Hold the presses. Women are worth listening to? They're not just something to stand there, look good and sell products? And if they are allowed to speak, they might have something interesting to say that doesn't involve semi-humorous anecdotes about their personal lives? And listening to a woman might actually be enjoyable? You might actually enjoy AND benefit from such a thing? That's wild! Someone tell Conan!
Jon Stewart, you are a man ahead of your times.
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"...but her conservative outfits and simple hair also give her a certain freedom — the freedom to talk about what she wants to talk about, without participating in a played-out sexual script."
That doesn't sound like freedom at all -- it's just an example of the constraint placed upon women that attractiveness supersedes intelligence, that one must be avoided in order for the other to be recognized. 'Choosing' to avoid attractiveness in order for her intelligence to be the subject of conversation isn't a choice at all, it's a sacrifice -- one that no one should have to make.
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shes not there to sell a product based on her appearance (such a movie or tv show), but on her knowledge. knowledge doesnt need to be tarted up and paraded around in 4 inch heels. so if she doesnt feel the need to dress like that in her day to day, why would she bother for this?
some women dont actually spend a lot of time obsessing over their appearance, but that doesnt mean that they've forsaken attractiveness for intelligence. they've just prioritized it differently.
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She clearly dresses with an aesthetic in mind, she's not ungroomed or presenting an attitude that she doesn't care at all. Just that she doesn't care that much. And I think what she does "play up", if you want to call it that, is the fact that she's unusual looking, cute, spunky, and very bright. There should be room for that without claiming it's avoiding something.
Also, I mean, you seem to be assuming that there's only one kind of physical attractiveness which she would then need to be avoiding. Which is assuming she conforms to it in some way. Or that it's a sacrifice to her. It really doesn't seem to be.
By not feeling she needs to play into our rather narrow beauty standards I'd say Vowell is doing quite well.
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The first thing I thought of is that Jon would never adoringly say "You're so smart" to any male author who went off on a hyperarticulate monologue about the topic of their book.
I didn't dwell on it, but it did register as a little patronizing.
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And he's also the host of a comedy show - it's his job to make light of things every once in a while. In this case, it's how amazingly smart Sarah Vowell is.
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Especially since my track record shows that I am the quickest into bed with intelligent men who look me meaningfully in the eyes and say "my god, you are so smart." Trust me, I've done the math.
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... and then Lewis and Clark totally threw a hissy fit! But I kind of don't blame them because walking to the Pacific would be a major ass ache!
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"and then World War II happened, and Modernists were like, oh shit! art was supposed to save the world! and it didn't! and it's wayyyy more fucked up than we ever conceived of! FUCKKKKK. ok. let's keep writing, and remember our sincere roots, but like, be sarcastic and nihilistic to make up for how bummed we are about this situation."
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...So the bats are all, shit, man, where are we gonna live? Hey, check it, trees on a pig farm, and Nipah virus was like "Hey, pigs, how YOU doing?
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Some day, my love...
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I need to avoid imagining what would've happened had Jon Stewart been there as well.
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Move over, "So how you doin?", a new pick-up line has entered my weak, weak, arsenal ;)
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I am generally a sad, weeping whore for any and all compliments, but (sincere) remarks about one's intelligence and/or wit are always the best. I think I can remember outright weeping when I got a COTD, then trying to explain to everyone what I was so worked up about. In other news, my co-workers think that I am batshit insane. They are correct.
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Do yourself a favor and read "Assasination Vacation" which is my favorite book by her. It's hilarious and super educational.
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Word on the blushing, though. Telling me I'm pretty will get a guy nowhere – but if he calls me smart or funny (and is smart or funny enough himself to recognize it), well, that's gonna get at least an embarrassed giggle and an 'Oh, stop!'
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