I'd like to debate the "knows how to rap" statement. I love all the celebrities he is mocking - Amy Winehouse, Kim Kardashian: wow, congratulations, dude, welcome to two years ago.
His work is incredibly derivative, and for people who give him props for his refusal to be politically correct, as though that was some sort of novelty, I posit that he hasn't said anything 2LiveCrew hadn't already said during the Reagan administration.
The only reason he's gotten any attention is the same reason Tyler Hansbrough does now. yeah, he's a white dude, but no one seems to notice how he flails around under the basket when Lawson, Ellington, and Green have all the nice moves.
All the comments calling the video brilliant are so depressing. The Jezebel commenting policy (rightly) says we're not allowed to call Jessica Simpson fat, but when Eminem does it-- and tells women to suck his little friend, and shoves a woman into a wood chopper-- it's clever and edgy?
I liked the video although it is a bit repetitive like with the previous videos but gotta love some Dre as the Capn! And hey Bobbie Lee!! How about a comparison to the other rap videos for the grumps out there-THERE ARE WORSE OFFENDERS! Critics are just furthering his cause with more talk and hype. I can sit through & listen to this one, although I DO like his music especially the 1st & 2nd. I'm not offended because his art is a great way for him to express his emotions however intense and confusing to others it may seem. and 1st Amendment it benefits ALL of us
@PyroVixen: "and 1st Amendment it benefits ALL of us"
Enjoy his music if it speaks to you, but some of us are going to keep talking about why we disagree with it. Nobody's trying to haul him off to the gulag for expressing himself, and considering strong sales, numerous awards, and critical acclaim, haven't failed to temper his martyr complex, I don't worry too much that I'm contributing to it.
I'm tired of hearing that "I make fun of everybody so it's all the same" bullshit. Men and women, gay people and straight people, do not have horizontal power relationships.
It means something different when you are a man mocking a woman for her weight or shape or sexual behavior, than it does when you mock a guy for hiding his bald head. It references a famous misogynist magazine and the pandemic of violence against woman when a man puts a woman in a wood chipper. There isn't the weight of cultural baggage behind Eminem comparing himself to Rain Man. The execution thing isn't even a dig at himself. It's his same old martyr shtick, anticipating that the mean PC police are going to shit themselves because they can't handle how edgy he is for being a straight man who denigrates women and gays in a way that reinforces his position at the top of the power structure. I already saw this video the last time he made it.
@HanaMaru: The execution thing isn't even a dig at himself. It's his same old martyr shtick, anticipating that the mean PC police are going to shit themselves because they can't handle how edgy he is...
@HanaMaru: Well said. And Eminem has actually made the point that he doesn't use the word n*gger. Interesting (or predictable, I guess) that he has no problem using such offensive words to describe women. He's trying to make money and I'm so sick of smart, feminist people defending him as some satirical genius.
@Tmoney02: Uh huh. You got me. I don't like it for exactly the reasons he claims his critics don't like his work, and not because he's presenting himself as a bold truth-teller, while reinforcing the status quo hatred of the groups that it's safe to hate.
@apricotsquish: @Andalucía: I remember him saying that. His reason being that(unlike gay people and women) he respects and is indebted to black people. If he wanted to do something *shocking* there would have been vignettes mixed in there of him in blackface with big red lips, mocking rappers, or eating watermelon behind the presidential podium(not that I want to see that)
@HanaMaru: I agree with you on all points. However, I can't help laughing at him dressed up as Spock and peering out behind Dr. Dre. In the end, I can't take Eminem seriously at all and he just contributes to the, sometimes catchy, background noise. This does not excuse his hate mongering or confirm him as some martyred truth-teller...but, it helps me see why many people DO like him.
I accept that people can enjoy his stuff without calling them out for "failing" feminism or not getting it (as some other people have expressed).
@eri401: I agree with you that there were funny parts, like the skeleton when he gets electrocuted and when he grabs his steak as he falls backwards. On the other hand, he's falling in his chair because Kim Kardashian's body is so disgusting, and then the the wood chipper was just straight up violent misogyny. I think it's possible to laugh at parts of the video, but have it not mitigate the recognition of hate-mongering. I think it's problematic that the majority of the public is just laughing that fatty Jessica Simpson eats burgers and lesbianism isn't real and violence against women is hilarious.
I take it seriously as a woman and a queer ally because it contributes to hatred in our culture. And it doesn't have to be that way. Humor doesn't have to be at the expense of already marginalized people, especially coming from a straight dude who benefits from it.
@HanaMaru: No shit, but he'd never do that and then cop out by saying it's all a joke or "satire." And his fans sure as hell wouldn't come up with lame rationalizations ("He's really mocking racism!") or say shit, like, "You just don't get it." Really? You could say that about right-wing talk radio then. Em's just another Ann Coulter to me.
Even if you believe his intent is somehow benign, the effect is not.
@eri401: Oh, how I wish it were true. When you're repetitively subjected to intolerance and hate, to the point such hate becomes casual, the assumptions behind it become all the more entrenched as you become more desensitized. Think: people listening to Rush Limbaugh as "background" on their way to work.
I think Eminem is great. I think he's smart, I think his songs are damn catchy, and I think he's a better writer than just about anyone else in rap right now. In fact, I think he's a better writer than MOST people pop, rock, hip hop, electro, AND rap combined.
Is he incendiary? Yeah. Controversial? That too. Sometimes a little behind the times? Definitly. But I'd still rather listen to his stuff than any of this ridiculous, repetative, derivitive nonsense they play on my local "party music" station.
That said, "Number One" is a better single than this one.
This is not a good representation of what Em can do. Neither is anything that has ever been on the radio (with the exception of Stan) The man places far more responsibility on himself than I think most people give him credit for. Even the songs that are emotionally difficult to listen to (Bonnie and Clyde)are brutal honest. It's like listening to someone cut themselves and bleed onto the track. I have to admire anyone that is willing to put that much into their craft. (Sue me.)
@Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: I agree with you. And I think the reason most people don't realize it is because the songs that are his best are really not radio-appropriate. Either they're too stark, too brutal, or too good to throw to the dogs in mainstream radio.
This is why I love Hole, Sleater Kinney, Nirvana, and Smashing Pumpkins. They pour their guts out, they're raw and brutally honest, but they also aren't sexist and homophobic.
Eminem wants to have it both ways. He wants to be the edgy guy who tells it like it is, yet he dodges criticism by saying he isn't serious. Which is it?
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His work is incredibly derivative, and for people who give him props for his refusal to be politically correct, as though that was some sort of novelty, I posit that he hasn't said anything 2LiveCrew hadn't already said during the Reagan administration.
The only reason he's gotten any attention is the same reason Tyler Hansbrough does now. yeah, he's a white dude, but no one seems to notice how he flails around under the basket when Lawson, Ellington, and Green have all the nice moves.
04/07/09
I see he is back to spinning his Dr.Seuss-sounding homophobia. I don't care if he makes fun of himself, hate is hate. It shouldn't be tolerated.
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Why does he get an exception?
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How about a comparison to the other rap videos for the grumps out there-THERE ARE WORSE OFFENDERS! Critics are just furthering his cause with more talk and hype. I can sit through & listen to this one, although I DO like his music especially the 1st & 2nd. I'm not offended because his art is a great way for him to express his emotions however intense and confusing to others it may seem. and 1st Amendment it benefits ALL of us
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Enjoy his music if it speaks to you, but some of us are going to keep talking about why we disagree with it. Nobody's trying to haul him off to the gulag for expressing himself, and considering strong sales, numerous awards, and critical acclaim, haven't failed to temper his martyr complex, I don't worry too much that I'm contributing to it.
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It means something different when you are a man mocking a woman for her weight or shape or sexual behavior, than it does when you mock a guy for hiding his bald head. It references a famous misogynist magazine and the pandemic of violence against woman when a man puts a woman in a wood chipper. There isn't the weight of cultural baggage behind Eminem comparing himself to Rain Man. The execution thing isn't even a dig at himself. It's his same old martyr shtick, anticipating that the mean PC police are going to shit themselves because they can't handle how edgy he is for being a straight man who denigrates women and gays in a way that reinforces his position at the top of the power structure. I already saw this video the last time he made it.
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uhhh...mission accomplished?
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I accept that people can enjoy his stuff without calling them out for "failing" feminism or not getting it (as some other people have expressed).
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I take it seriously as a woman and a queer ally because it contributes to hatred in our culture. And it doesn't have to be that way. Humor doesn't have to be at the expense of already marginalized people, especially coming from a straight dude who benefits from it.
04/07/09
Even if you believe his intent is somehow benign, the effect is not.
@eri401: Oh, how I wish it were true. When you're repetitively subjected to intolerance and hate, to the point such hate becomes casual, the assumptions behind it become all the more entrenched as you become more desensitized. Think: people listening to Rush Limbaugh as "background" on their way to work.
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I hope so .. gawd that guy and his brother/empire annoy to no other.
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And I think that asian dude is Bobby Lee- who is actually quite funny.
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Is he incendiary? Yeah. Controversial? That too. Sometimes a little behind the times? Definitly. But I'd still rather listen to his stuff than any of this ridiculous, repetative, derivitive nonsense they play on my local "party music" station.
That said, "Number One" is a better single than this one.
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This is why I love Hole, Sleater Kinney, Nirvana, and Smashing Pumpkins. They pour their guts out, they're raw and brutally honest, but they also aren't sexist and homophobic.
Eminem wants to have it both ways. He wants to be the edgy guy who tells it like it is, yet he dodges criticism by saying he isn't serious. Which is it?
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That mofo is effin great!
04/07/09
Also, I happen to think the "fat Jessica" girl is gorgeous!!!
Very, VERY meh about the song. It's the same old shit that Eminiem has been doing for years. It's tired.
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