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BytheSea
08/20/09

In reply to Domestic Violence Made Visual
I'd like to know the percentage for America.
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whynotshesaid
08/20/09

@BytheSea: Me too.
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Penny
08/20/09

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The visual is, indeed, striking. But, I would have liked to see more western/Christian countries (as Erda says below).

I think I am pretty smart, educated and aware, not to mention the fact that identify as feminist....but I've been hit once in my life and I still think I deserved it. It's not surprising for me to see these numbers. But it is heartbreaking.
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Erda
08/20/09

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Why do they focus so heavily on third-world countries (and particularly non-Christian ones)? It would be interesting to look at "developed" countries (like the U.S., Japan and Western Europe) and see if the numbers are really that different. I doubt as many women in America think it's acceptable as women in Jordan, but I'm sure we'd be disturbed by just how many do.

I just feel by focusing on less-developed nations, we're subtlely reinforcing this "we first-worlders are so enlightened and progressive" idea when I really don't think a lot of women here are much more "enlightened" than their counterparts in these countries.
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NefariousNewt
08/20/09

@Erda: Very true. It's not a representative sample by any stretch, but I do think it highlights the the fact that the problem goes further than most people think. It would have been nice to have say, France, the United States, and maybe Japan, as counterpoints.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
08/20/09

@Erda: " It would be interesting to look at "developed" countries (like the U.S., Japan and Western Europe) and see if the numbers are really that different."

Yes. Yes, it would.

(How interested might you be in emailing Jessica over at Feministing and sharing that posit with her?)
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cate3710
08/20/09

@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: Feministing didn't produce this chart, another website did. And the point was raised in the comments there as well.
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LaFemme
08/20/09

@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: You know what could happen with doing the U.S. and Western Europe though (just a hypothesis, maybe it wouldn't be this way) you would get really, really low numbers of women saying it is acceptable, which are not really indicative of the actual prevalence of domestic violence in our own societies. Women know it is wrong and unacceptable to be hit by your partner for the most part (I think) which is where the shame comes in in not wanting to tell anyone! Domestic violence is a huge problem in Western societies, but I bet if you asked most women in these societies, "do you think it is an acceptable practice for a man to hit his wife?" they would say no. They could be victims of abuse and say no. I would be worried putting in the US/UK/France etc. on the same graph as the countries surveyed would only serve as a "and see, look how progressive WE ARE!" stat.
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BritneyCanadaWhore
08/20/09

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this is sad and disturbing, and the commenters on feministing rightly called out a few equally disturbing things, like why there are no western or "developed" countries on here. also i'd like to know why this is being framed such that the onus is somehow on the women who "let" themselves be beaten - how would the chart look if it depicted the "percentage of men who think it's okay to beat their wives"? i understand that this chart is highlighting the pervasiveness of violence and patriarchal thinking, but it sure seems . . . incomplete.
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ytuhermanotambien
08/20/09

@BritneyCanadaWhore: I came here to say I'd really like to see what the percentage of American women would be. I also wonder how close the percentage of men v. women in a given country would be.
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alouette
08/20/09

In reply to Domestic Violence Made Visual
I saw this yesterday and it broke my heart. I just wish the information was better arranged though, for a bigger impact (i.e., Rwanda and Jordan have fields almost the same size). It's not until you read through it carefully that you really understand.
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cate3710
08/20/09

@alouette: True. The sizes of the fields don't seem to correspond with the actual numbers all that well. I'm also curious as to why these 16 countries in particular were chosen. Do they have the highest percentages? Glancing at the full list at the Unicef link indicates that that's not the case - Zambia isn't included, and it was 85.4%. Though that number is from 2001-2002, so maybe these are the countries with the most recent numbers?
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alouette
08/20/09

@cate3710: Yeah, I can just imagine my statistics professor:

"alouette, do you think your audience can understand this clearly from 3 feet away without reading any of the text?"

And you're absolutely right, an explanation of the sample would have been great.
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NefariousNewt
08/20/09

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I'm 100% certain this is disturbing.
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Penny
06/22/09

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At first I thought the news would be that she's marrying Hince. But it's SO MUCH WORSE.
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aspiringexpatriate
06/22/09

@Penny: I dunno, those are both pretty bad options. I can't imagine that he doesn't at least know pieces of the songs by heart and can't write better ones later. In the end, I thought it was a funny story.
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Maulleigh
06/22/09

In reply to Kate Moss Destroys Hopes Of Kills Fans; Emma Watson To Design Own Line?
Kate Moss shouldn't have thrown a laptop into the pool: but you don't know what he did! Maybe he cheated on her and therefore totally deserves it. Or he stole money from her.

If it was that important, I blame him for not backing up his stuff. He could have easily had his laptop stolen and then it would have been his own damn fault.
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LucilleMcGillicuddy
06/22/09

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Something about cheap Jimmy Choo's doesn't feel right? Well, expensive Jimmy

Choo's don't feel right either - literally. Those shoes pinch the hell out of my feet.
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snug*bug
06/22/09

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Katie, now you gone done it.. Memo: You're no longer dating Peter Doherty, you crazy rock & roll minx! Um, PS: Can I get the Devil's email from you? You obviously signed a pact with his Darkness, otherwise there's no way you could have been smoking 40 ciggies a day since you was 10, drinking like a sailor and snorting all sorts of substances--not to mention having a kid--and still look as fresh as a daisy. All.the.time.
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aspiringexpatriate
06/22/09

@snug*bug: She must be good marketing for Calvinist pre-destination.
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CrankyOldBroad
06/22/09

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So Usher's new fragrance has a top note of fresh-washed toddler with a lingering hint of plastic surgeon offices. Interesting.
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Samanthrax
06/22/09

In reply to Kate Moss Destroys Hopes Of Kills Fans; Emma Watson To Design Own Line?
Samanthrax's purchases of perfumes went up approximately 150%. For some reason a new fragrance always cheers me up.
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debo matar la zombi goldberry83
06/22/09

@Samanthrax is Sarcastic: Hey, if the rest of the world was buying perfume as much as us, the perfumers would be rolling around in their money laughing hysterically. I bought, like, four bottles in the past year, compared to... maybe one ever three years in the years before.
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BlondeGoddess
06/22/09

In reply to Kate Moss Destroys Hopes Of Kills Fans; Emma Watson To Design Own Line?
I'm totally confused by the cashmere post. They are using less cashmere, so they are making smaller sweaters? That sounds really stupid. Maybe they should try mixing it with other fabrics.
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BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
06/22/09

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Update: Edina Monsoon, champagne and pool boy lover, has entered the offices of Lacroix's creditors and has threatened to adopt a Romanian baby if they do not work out a debt restructuring with the fashion icon.
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BlondeGoddess
06/22/09

@BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit): 'It's LACROIX dahling!'

Ugh. All these years of watching AbFab reruns and I can't come up with a better quote.
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mbprice
06/22/09

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Yeah, don't destroy people's personal effects when you get into a fight with them. Just don't.
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