OR (and bear with me for a minute because this will blow your mind) we could write DIFFERENT work SPECIFICALLY for the stage rather than adapt a great MOVIE, whose creative process is COMPLETELY different and then we’ll have even MORE great art out there.
The day I see "Godfather the Musical" I shoot myself, I swear to Christ…
@hydrogen_jukebox: I'm a little more okay with books being adapted, but even then it's like "Write your own material!" Legally Blonde the musical made me want to vomit in terror.
@MegiEr: Wait until I get to the part where actresses can be a size other than zero, a color other than white, and an age over 30!
@LaComtesse: Meh, I'll play devil's advocate. Back in the heyday of Broadway, all the biggest shows eventually became films (think "West Side Story," "The Music Man," etc). Now the creative process simply goes in the opposite direction.
@Princess Leela: Not just does the American musical have a history from near its beginning of interacting with movies, there is an even longer history of the basis of plays coming from other sources. Look at Shakespeare. I also appreciate that people have a desire to see live theatre, even if it is theatre I have no wish to see.
@Princess Leela: I'm not saying it can't be done, but it should not be Broadway's exclusive source of material. Also, half the movies turned plays just don't work on stage.
@Lymed: The Coliseum was live theater, but I don't think elevated anyone. "Live theater" isn't synonymous with "culture." What most people who are going to see shows like this are interested in is "spectacle" which is fine, but let's call it what it is and not think that it's accomplishing the same thing as, say, "Into the Woods."
Another issue with ethnic hair care is the price people spend taming their natural texture. I am Hispanic and have curly/wavy hair, and my mom's hair is slightly nappy. We used to get our hair blow dried straight every week ( I did this throughout my entire childhood and adolescence). I switched to wearing my hair curly when I was in college, because I didn't want to pay all that money to get my hair done all the damn time. I recently switched to using pricy Bumble and Bumble and Kerastase products and realized that even when paying what seems like exorbitant prices for (pretty awesome) hair products, I wasn't spending nearly a tenth of what my mom spends getting her hair done at the salon. I don't wash my hair every day, and a $25 tube of Bb Creme de Coco hair masque lasts me a couple of months (I have a chin length bob right now), while my mom pays more than that for a roller set/blowout combo that will last A WEEK at best. That's a pretty big difference right there. When high end hair products look like a bargain next to the price of visiting your neighborhood salon every week, you know there's something seriously crazy going on right there.
I went natural 8 years ago at 14 - BEST DECISION I EVER MADE! Now my younger sister is natural, my aunt is natural, and I've convinced her not to EVER put a relaxer into my 9-year-old neice's hair, my grandmother is newly natural, and my mom is transitioning.
I will DEFINITELY be seeing this.
As a black woman, I can COMPLETELY relate to the struggle that comes with striving for "good hair". It's a tedious, tiring and long process. I sometimes ask myself why I do it.
I still haven't come up with a reasonable answer.....
to be honest, i always kinda envied the black girls in elementary school, they always had these wicked braids and all kinds of crazy clips in them. i distinctly remember asking about how they did it and how they got the braids to stay put.
in my mind, my whispy blonde hair had nothing on the fascinating texture of theirs
@sheleftyouasong: Agreed on the clip envy. I'll never complain about my hair, which I like, but I will say that it won't stand to have any decoration in it -- clips and barrettes slide right out, and ponytails do the same. It's either down and doing its own thing, or tortured into some 19th century updo with a million bobby pins.
I went natural after Don Imus' "nappy headed hoes" comment. I had to think to myself, "why is that an insult"? The good hair/bad hair thing is a myth that black women perpetuate. It's internalized racism in its truest form and when I liberated myself from the creamy crack it was only older black women who turned up their noses.
I think most women relax their hair because it's so normalized, not because they like it so much. On many women they only look good for the one week after they've been to the salon and then it's just 3 weeks of "meh" until the next salon visit. Most women just don't want to look different, like an other, too black.
If black women were to embrace curly/kinky/wavy hair like we embrace round bottoms the good hair/bad hair thing would disappear and afro wigs would be all the rage again.
I really want to see this documentary. I have worked in cosmetics for years and am always interested in what we do for 'beauty'.
I'm white and when I used to babysit I sat for an african-american family. One day I got the idea to do one of the girls hair and their mom was like 'oh no, you don't understand our hair, don't even try' I was so sad. I loved playing with hair and really didn't understand what the difference was. I had no idea about this issue of 'good hair' and when I really learned about it I just get so sad. There was a Tyra that covered this and she had Chris Rock on talking about the movie. I admit, I cried, that whole thing with those gorgeous little girls who thought their hair was ugly and some of the moms gave them relaxers and such was heartbreaking. I think it is so awful that as a culture we make people feel ugly for their natural selves.
This topic really gets me emotional. I hope this movie does really well and people realize that beauty isn't just one thing. I equally love and hate what I do for a living for the reason that you have some cosmetic companies that embrace all types of looks and most don't. The hair thing is an extension of that deluded thinking that one type is beautiful over all others.
My hair has been a sour subject between me and my mother for years. My mother (who has semi-straight hair) pretty much burned my scalp and ripped out all my hair in order to have "good hair." I rebelled in high school and somehow managed to get my mom to agree to get braids which she actually liked. In college I grew dreadlocks which I love and my mom hated them at first until I got compliments about them around her and then she came around and said that she had always liked my dreads....it's really unfortunately that hair is like this and I know that it's deeper than hair because of my family's mixed heritage but a little girl doesn't know that.
@realafterglow:
I'm with you on the mixed heritage bit. The way the cards fell, genetically, I got my mother's shiny straight-flowing hair. My younger sister, who otherwise is a physical copy of myself, got my father's "black hair."
There is nothing one can say to a young girl who asks, "Why can't I have that?"
It was harder, and probably seemed crueler to her that her mother didn't know how to care for black hair, and that she was the only one in her class and in our family who really had to deal with it.
I always thought that if we had lived in a more integrated community, there would have been other women she could have looked to for help with grooming techniques.
From reading these comments, I think a lot of black women needed to change their hairdressers. Spending a day or hours getting your hair done is ridiculous. I am black woman that has done everything from natural to straight, and I have very rarely spent more than 2 hours in the salon (and 2 hours for a relaxer). The only times I have longer have been when I have moved to a new city and I am looking for a new stylist and stumble across one that doesn't respect my time. I never go back. This has happened to me less than five times in my lifetime.
@sshacker: Ugh, I wonder if I should say this, and I hope I don't get disemvowled but sheesh, what is it with black salons and the waiting?? When this happens to me, I do NOT go back. I have too many friends who will sit in the salon for 6 hours just to get basics done to their hair because that is "their stylist." That is B.S. They need to tell their stylists MTV2 (My Time is Very Valuable!).
@BlackLadyBug: Fuck-I'll say it; CP Time! When I went to the salon I often went to a black stylist in a "white" salon. That way, I knew I'd have someone who wouldn't fuck up my hair, but my time was respected.
@foodandshoes: See, I was trying not to be shady, LMAO! CP TIme, indeed.
I go to an Asian lady in a "white" salon and she takes care of my natural hair better than anyone else.
I also think that the whole issue pits women of colour against each other...like "oh Indian girls have good hair" when many Indian women also face the racialized pressure of having to conform to the western standard of beauty including our hair. Most Indian girls that I know all straighten their hair to conform to the idea of what is beautiful. Even my own relatives do not understand that my wavy hair is "natural" and not messy. I have to constantly hear about how I should go brush my hair. While I understand that this documentary deals specifically with the pressure African American women face with regards to their hair, I'm confused by the notion of Indian women having "good hair" because it is a very complicated issue in our culture as well.
@KimPorkchop: In the black community, it comes from the notion that good hair = not nappy, "black hair". Something that's got some silkiness to it and flows and can grow long. It's complicated in every culture, I think, but the issue is very, very deep-rooted in black society.
This kind of thing goes way back to slavery b/c if you were light-skinned and had "mixed hair", that means your daddy was the white slave owner (b/c he raped your mother and had you) and thus you'd be a house slave (not what they called it) and you'd have it easier b/c you wouldn't be in the fields. The lighter you were and the more white features you had, the easier life you would have b/c dark skin/wide nose/nappy hair = black, undesirable, and threatening. Fast forward and this also translates to wanting to keep "white blood" in the family so that the kids came out light (passing the paper bag test) with silkier hair.
It took a VERY long time to get to the "black is beautiful" notion and even then, there are still struggles with it.
Ha, the part where he says "relaxer will turn THIS into THIS" is totally a farce.
Naomi Campbell had a weave on, duh.
Relaxed hair NEVER comes out looking like a weave made of hair from India. Real relaxed hair has that "yaki" coarse texture and can rarely can grow that long due to the delicacy of black hair and the damage from processing.
Relaxed hair rarely looks good, IMO. Usually looks like "white imposter" hair, but looks stiff and dull. It looks like someone's trying too hard to be what they are not; but in this case, sadly, it's the majority of an entire CULTURE that's trying too hard. But it's not our fault; it's history's fault.
Flat ironing works better, anyway.
@copper: Yes - unfortunately, people don't really realize that the more texture your hair has, the more fragile it is. So silky-straight "white" hair is going to naturally be stronger than kinky or curly hair b/c that kinky/curly hair has multiple points at which it can easily break off.
Oh, my yes! I'm truly seeing this and making all my non-Black friends see this as well because yes, I'm tired of explaining:
1. Why I get mad when they throw water in the pool
2. Why I have to devote one day out of a week to wash/style my crown
3. Why I can't have the luxury to wash my hair every day
I'm one of many women of color who has struggled with my hair. While I'm one sista of the high-yella persuasion with a Spanish background, I get the usual: "Oh you have such great hair!" But I really loathe that saying. I think ALL women of color (and all women as a matter of fact) have good hair, its all in a matter of how you take care of it and how you wish to style it. I'm tired of sisters bickering over natural vs. weave vs. relaxed. You DO your crown, and wear it proudly, if you wanna wear weave...lace it in, if you want to slap on the "creamy crack" (which I do) then do it! Stop ridiculing others for doing what they like. As long your happy with the outcome and if it works with your style regiment, then do what you want with your hair.
Now what I would like for them to showcase in this docu are the salons that aren't too "Black hair" focused and how they are planning to change that. Living in the Southern part of Texas and up in the Meteroplex, it is hellish hell trying to find someone who can do "Black hair". Unless you live in Houston where there is a larger Black population, you ARE limited here in the Lone Star State. I could write a book about how many hands have handled my hair to disastrous results because they were overwhelmed or didn't have a clue what to do with Black hair.
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The day I see "Godfather the Musical" I shoot myself, I swear to Christ…
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Hold the phone here. Originals ideas?? Okay now you're blowing my mind.
09/22/09
@MegiEr: Wait until I get to the part where actresses can be a size other than zero, a color other than white, and an age over 30!
09/22/09
Head exploded, brains all over keyboard.
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@hydrogen_jukebox & LaComtesse: I think it was just made for this dude.
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@Lymed: The Coliseum was live theater, but I don't think elevated anyone. "Live theater" isn't synonymous with "culture." What most people who are going to see shows like this are interested in is "spectacle" which is fine, but let's call it what it is and not think that it's accomplishing the same thing as, say, "Into the Woods."
09/22/09
It's a cute idea, but I can already see some problems.
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I will DEFINITELY be seeing this.
08/04/09
I still haven't come up with a reasonable answer.....
08/04/09
in my mind, my whispy blonde hair had nothing on the fascinating texture of theirs
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08/04/09
I think most women relax their hair because it's so normalized, not because they like it so much. On many women they only look good for the one week after they've been to the salon and then it's just 3 weeks of "meh" until the next salon visit. Most women just don't want to look different, like an other, too black.
If black women were to embrace curly/kinky/wavy hair like we embrace round bottoms the good hair/bad hair thing would disappear and afro wigs would be all the rage again.
08/04/09
I'm white and when I used to babysit I sat for an african-american family. One day I got the idea to do one of the girls hair and their mom was like 'oh no, you don't understand our hair, don't even try' I was so sad. I loved playing with hair and really didn't understand what the difference was. I had no idea about this issue of 'good hair' and when I really learned about it I just get so sad. There was a Tyra that covered this and she had Chris Rock on talking about the movie. I admit, I cried, that whole thing with those gorgeous little girls who thought their hair was ugly and some of the moms gave them relaxers and such was heartbreaking. I think it is so awful that as a culture we make people feel ugly for their natural selves.
This topic really gets me emotional. I hope this movie does really well and people realize that beauty isn't just one thing. I equally love and hate what I do for a living for the reason that you have some cosmetic companies that embrace all types of looks and most don't. The hair thing is an extension of that deluded thinking that one type is beautiful over all others.
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I'm with you on the mixed heritage bit. The way the cards fell, genetically, I got my mother's shiny straight-flowing hair. My younger sister, who otherwise is a physical copy of myself, got my father's "black hair."
There is nothing one can say to a young girl who asks, "Why can't I have that?"
It was harder, and probably seemed crueler to her that her mother didn't know how to care for black hair, and that she was the only one in her class and in our family who really had to deal with it.
I always thought that if we had lived in a more integrated community, there would have been other women she could have looked to for help with grooming techniques.
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08/05/09
I go to an Asian lady in a "white" salon and she takes care of my natural hair better than anyone else.
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08/04/09
This kind of thing goes way back to slavery b/c if you were light-skinned and had "mixed hair", that means your daddy was the white slave owner (b/c he raped your mother and had you) and thus you'd be a house slave (not what they called it) and you'd have it easier b/c you wouldn't be in the fields. The lighter you were and the more white features you had, the easier life you would have b/c dark skin/wide nose/nappy hair = black, undesirable, and threatening. Fast forward and this also translates to wanting to keep "white blood" in the family so that the kids came out light (passing the paper bag test) with silkier hair.
It took a VERY long time to get to the "black is beautiful" notion and even then, there are still struggles with it.
08/04/09
Naomi Campbell had a weave on, duh.
Relaxed hair NEVER comes out looking like a weave made of hair from India. Real relaxed hair has that "yaki" coarse texture and can rarely can grow that long due to the delicacy of black hair and the damage from processing.
Relaxed hair rarely looks good, IMO. Usually looks like "white imposter" hair, but looks stiff and dull. It looks like someone's trying too hard to be what they are not; but in this case, sadly, it's the majority of an entire CULTURE that's trying too hard. But it's not our fault; it's history's fault.
Flat ironing works better, anyway.
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08/04/09
1. Why I get mad when they throw water in the pool
2. Why I have to devote one day out of a week to wash/style my crown
3. Why I can't have the luxury to wash my hair every day
I'm one of many women of color who has struggled with my hair. While I'm one sista of the high-yella persuasion with a Spanish background, I get the usual: "Oh you have such great hair!" But I really loathe that saying. I think ALL women of color (and all women as a matter of fact) have good hair, its all in a matter of how you take care of it and how you wish to style it. I'm tired of sisters bickering over natural vs. weave vs. relaxed. You DO your crown, and wear it proudly, if you wanna wear weave...lace it in, if you want to slap on the "creamy crack" (which I do) then do it! Stop ridiculing others for doing what they like. As long your happy with the outcome and if it works with your style regiment, then do what you want with your hair.
Now what I would like for them to showcase in this docu are the salons that aren't too "Black hair" focused and how they are planning to change that. Living in the Southern part of Texas and up in the Meteroplex, it is hellish hell trying to find someone who can do "Black hair". Unless you live in Houston where there is a larger Black population, you ARE limited here in the Lone Star State. I could write a book about how many hands have handled my hair to disastrous results because they were overwhelmed or didn't have a clue what to do with Black hair.