I can totally agree about the dreams thing, and also add another one to a similar list: No one cares what you felt like last time you got stoned. No one cares about your acid trip. Seriously, if it can't be packed into a neat 2-sentence description, set up/punch-line style, it's going to loose everyone who wasn't high with you.
@Sukie in the Graveyard: Oh, god yes. Something I also learned at sorority rush: When in doubt, don't desperately throw out the question, "so, what's your favorite kind of meat?" Even "what's your major?" trumps that.
I kind of wish I hadn't read these comments because I'm anxious and a little shy. I realize that all of these pet peeves aren't shared by everyone, but it does seem like there are so many potential pitfalls.
So, questions: What are good, interesting things to talk to people about? What have interesting people drawn you in with in the past? If you're good at carrying on conversations with relative strangers, what do you do?
@Hana Maru: Ask them questions.
People love to talk about themselves.
(Even the introverts. Sometimes especially the introverts, 'cause they never talk, so no one ever asks.)
And not closed-ended questions that can be answered with "yes" or "no". If you forget and that happens, say "tell me more about that" if it's a guy or a bubbly girl or "would you tell me more about that?" if it seems like a quieter person. If they dead you, excuse yourself and get another martini.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: This could be just me, but I hate being outright questioned about myself. Can I put in a caveat and say that if the conversation seems to be dying, maybe try to share something about yourself, and ask if the person has anything in common with it, rather than ask straight questions.
"My sister and I are close, but we only see each other a few times a year. Do you see your siblings often?" Instead of, "How many siblings do you have?"
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: You're right. I wasn't saying you were suggesting straight questions. I thought I was just building on your advice, since it seems like shy people tend to take the, " Ask questions!" idea as a license to interrogate, and I find that's often uncomfortable. Whenever I'm trapped in a conversation with someone who asks a lot of questions, they seem to use the interrogation as a shield to avoid saying much about themselves, and that shuts down the conversation.
So I was trying to say, if you're going to ask questions, try to also share something about yourself and how that relates to the question. Otherwise you're just putting someone on the spot, and not everyone is comfortable with that.
As a "simple question" asker, I can tell you it is not because I am bored. It is because I am interested in you. Usually when you start with "how long have you been living in New York?" (or what have you), it leads to something like, "seven years, I grew up in Montana.." etc etc. So.. you know.. it's called having a conversation and letting the person reveal intimate information as see fit.
Bugger me, you-ve all freaked me out. I used to think maybe I bored people, then I thought I had quirky interests, now maybe I just bore people. The weather is fascinating. I like talking about history. People seemed to listen to me now I realize I was being clueless. Sigh, there goes my social anxiety.
Though I think people should also make more of an effort if they are bored. I-m not an entertainer. If I'm bored, I change the subject discreetly though I generally find most topics interesting except most reality shows or cricket. I might talk about the psychological implications of the reality show but I'm not that interested about the show.
I will admit that I probably am occasionally thought of as boring. But the other kind of boring is NOT SPEAKING!!!
Sometimes I sense that I am boring a person who just plain is not contributing to the conversation. This annoys me, since I also find the other person boring for not sharing anything with me.
It makes me feel like I made dinner for somebody and the person complains. Hey, if you don't like my lasagna, make your own goddamn dinner!
Hmmm, yeah, this is annoying, but I usually just exit those conversations.
I'm a PhD student in microeconomics. I have my dissertation down to a two-sentence explanation ("You know how when you want to buy a car, and you have to spend a bunch of time shopping around for which one you want and how much you should pay for it? That's called 'search cost' and I study markets where search cost exists.") This is good for parties and other social situations where I'm not surrounded by other microeconomists. I really don't like talking about my dissertation to lay people, because I can feel them glazing over, so I generally try to avoid going into much more detail than that unless they have given enthusiastic consent for me to continue.
I went to a bar with my now-sister-in-law for her bachelorette party. I met a guy who had just finished his PhD in political science. He had not learned the art of the two-sentence dissertation. He ended up talking my ear off about it all night. I was upfront about being married; at the end of the night he asked me if I would read it to proof it for publication. FML. I gave him my email, and I guess Sober Poli Sci Guy realized that was a terrible idea and never emailed me.
One other time, I was hanging out with some college friends and their new friends. There was another PhD student there, studying something or other. After 10 minutes of dissertation talk, I excused myself (it was a group), got a drink, and never came back. A few times during the night, I circled back to within earshot, and he was still doing the dissertation talk. Blargh. Maybe the people around him were genuinely interested, but after 2 hours, you could have actually defended your dissertation. Congratulations.
@Rabbitty: yeah, um, by only going to graduate student parties. Seriously, I went to an excellent university in the burbs with NO social scene other than grad student parties, and people would talk about their research all the freaking time. Bored me senseless.
I also have different versions of my research topic reserved for varying levels of background knowledge
@babyruthless: Mine is this: I want to work with GIS. Are you familiar with that?
No.
Have you ever used Google Earth?
Yes!
That's a GIS! I want to use something like Google Earth to measure various things and work with conservation.
And bam, they get it, and I don't have to explain anything else, and no one really cares about the finer points of spatial distribution of erosion, so I don't rant about terracing. :(
@emily.jayne: Ha, that's awesome and my ego just grew about 4 sizes :D
It took me awhile to figure it out, until someone asked me, "Oh, like Google Earth?" and it clicked. Oh, that's how I can explain it without going into too much detail! I felt so free :D
@birdnerd: I have a zero tolerance approach to listening to other grad students ramble about their dissertation topic, because if not me then who? Just because I've made similar poor life choices doesn't mean I want to talk about it with you.
But really, do these people not have families? I discovered as an undergrad that just because they're family and just because they asked "what is it that you're studying at university again?" it doesn't mean they're going to hang on to your every word. Eyes will glaze over regardless of how much grandma loves you.
(this is all somewhat tongue in cheek in case that wasn't clear)
@Rabbitty: LOL on the similar poor choices comment. I think grads ramble on about research at grad parties because no one else will listen. And for everyone of us that is bored senseless, there are some people who would happily spend all night at a party talking about nanotechnology or a new sequencing methods for degraded DNA fragments.
@babyruthless: I'm in graduate school right now for film studies (which is integrated into the English Department) and one of my professors always says that if he's at a party and someone asks him what he does he has two options: if he wants a convo with this person, he says "I teach film," if he doesn't want one, he says "I teach English."
I did my BA in English, and I'm finding this startingly true. I tell people what I'm going to grad school for and they're ecstatic to talk to me.
When I was doing my senior thesis on lesbian themes in Virginia Woolf, they were not so much.
@birdnerd: I actually attended a conference on how to talk to people who aren't in the sciencey fields about science. It was really quite interesting. The speakers emphasized finding pop culture things that were similar to what you wanted to explain - look in science fiction and movies and use it to compare. I thought that was a good point to work from, because then they have something to use as a comparison, if they don't know about your field.
@greeneyedmonster: I have a friend who does research on the history of sexual violence in Victorian England. She says it's a total convo-killer. And she gets weird looks.
@boxspelunker: good advice, I'll use that. Might make it easier to ahve a conversation, although i will have to suppress the ubernerd in me that feels the need to point out all the FLAWS in the pop culture science thing:)
@birdnerd: That's a good thing! It helps to show that not all science fiction is based in reality. For example, the whole snafu about explosions in space - people just assume things blow up like they do on Earth, but from what I hear, explosions would look quite different. It's easy to draw on something like that to make a point,and it doesn't sound like you're "talking down" to people. :D I get all excited about this kind of stuff.
Ok, this may seem like a weird thing to say here, but I am actually almost incapable of being truly bored. It's one of my few gifts.
Repulsed, insulted, incensed, put-off, confused - all those thing might apply, but truly bored? Hardly ever. I actually don't mind sitting next to someone who goes on and on about the most obscure subject, or even mainstream subject, as long as they seem truly engaged. I am even one of those devious party guests who enjoys getting people to talk at length about themselves because, well, people say the damndest things when someone actually stops to listen.
I guess I am put off by monotone recitals because I have a hard time focusing after a while - either I have to spice things up by getting the other person so excited about their topic that they get some tonality into their phrasing, or I have to move on. Certain kinds of facial hair on men (the nose-to-collarbone variety, usually) can drive me to distraction if kept in close quarters at a party, but beyond those two specifics, I say, let it all hang out.
I don't care if they tell the truth, I don't care if I tell the truth, I don't mind feigning interest and I don't mind tangents. I go to parties for entertainment and company, and if I can't get the kind of conversation that genuinely interests me, then I can get by just fine on the kind that holds a kind of morbid, "oh, the humanity!" kind of interest.
Call me evil, but listen well, and you will never be considered a party bore.
When I was in college, I was in a long-distance relationship with Now-Mr. Ruthless. When I would go out to parties, I would find an obnoxious guy to talk to. A really self-centered, fratty douchebag. And then I would talk to him (or let him talk about himself) all night. And then at the end of the night, I'd be like, "peace out, homeslice," and he'd ask for my number, and I would tell him I wasn't interested. Sometimes I would call them out on their doucheyness (I had a guy tell me at a NYE party that I was a little fat, but it was OK, because I had HUUUUGE BOOBS. I laughed in his face). I'm sure I got called a bitch a number of times (once to my face, and not by the HUUUUGE BOOBS guy, another one). It was my little version of self-amusement, plus it meant that I was always the opposite of tempted to cheat; I would come home from a party with Loser McGee and be grateful for my boyf.
@babyruthless: I have done this. I even had a little game I played with myself for awhile, timing how long it would take Mr. Douche to ask me anything about myself.
The worst was the guy who went on for 45 minutes without even asking my name. Though when I got up to leave, he wanted my number. Ooof.
@boxspelunker: I found Mr. HUUUUGE BOOBS at a non-frat party my brother dragged me to. It was full of hippies and artists. They're not immune to the Douche.
@babyruthless: Oh, certainly not. But there is a special kind of stereotype for frat guys, and dear god, I don't want to talk to hipsters who just want to look down at their noses at me for liking things they find embarrassing.
I also know many nice hipsters, so I'm not a hater, right? :D
I'm looking for the right sexist:doucheybro ratio. But how to determine without hours of research? I have to be efficient.
I feel like I have gotten more boring as I've gotten older. When I quit the corporate world to work in alternative/complementary healthcare, I pretty much spent all my time learning, reading, and talking about what I'm doing now. So if I'm with a like-minded person, which I often am, it's great, because we can have an excellent conversation. But when I'm with the normals? I'm at a total loss. Sports, tv, politics, fashion, celebrity gossip, current affairs, hip music...I want to care, and be engaged, but I'm simply not. If you want to chat about opening your chakras, I'm totally your gal, but if you want to talk about anything remotely mainstream, you're on your own, although I really will do my best to appear engaged and interested.
Hell, I've even forgotten how to flirt, because evidently I'm way too busy thinking Deep Thoughts now.
@jen002: I think it's hard, because you work with people who understand your subject area, and they are interested in it. That's your work and social life wrapped up into one, and maybe even some of your outside interests. So, you get so used to relating things to work/study, and when someone doesn't have that frame of reference, it's hard to talk to them.
I feel this is especially bad with active researchers and those in academia, because you're so engaged with learning new information about your field, so it takes up all your brain space!
My boss has a tendency to announce to the group what she's doing or going to do next. it took me months before I realized she wasn't asking my opinion, making any conversation, asking me to do something related to the task she's doing, or saying anything that has to do with me at all. She's just ... announcing to the universe that she has to do the minutes now. It's very awkward b/c I don't know what to say, but she's the boss so I feel like I have to acknowledge her somehow.
Anyone who has ever worked behind a bar knows: your job is not to make drinks. Your job is to make the person sitting on the other side of the bar think that their boring-ass story is the most fascinating thing you have ever heard.
I have perfected my "that's so interesting!" face.
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Interesting questions get interesting responses :)
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So, questions: What are good, interesting things to talk to people about? What have interesting people drawn you in with in the past? If you're good at carrying on conversations with relative strangers, what do you do?
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People love to talk about themselves.
(Even the introverts. Sometimes especially the introverts, 'cause they never talk, so no one ever asks.)
And not closed-ended questions that can be answered with "yes" or "no". If you forget and that happens, say "tell me more about that" if it's a guy or a bubbly girl or "would you tell me more about that?" if it seems like a quieter person. If they dead you, excuse yourself and get another martini.
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"My sister and I are close, but we only see each other a few times a year. Do you see your siblings often?" Instead of, "How many siblings do you have?"
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Who suggested this?
"maybe try to share something about yourself, and ask if the person has anything in common with it"
I don't remember precluding that.
"rather than ask straight questions."
I don't read where I insisted on that.
When I suggested asking questions, I don't recall specifying what kind, or only one kind.
People respond to different kinds of inquiry.
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So I was trying to say, if you're going to ask questions, try to also share something about yourself and how that relates to the question. Otherwise you're just putting someone on the spot, and not everyone is comfortable with that.
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And you sound like you're enjoying it *just* a little too much. :-)
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I guess this makes me boring to the third power. Oh well. I have always wondered what boredom would look like in cube-form.
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Though I think people should also make more of an effort if they are bored. I-m not an entertainer. If I'm bored, I change the subject discreetly though I generally find most topics interesting except most reality shows or cricket. I might talk about the psychological implications of the reality show but I'm not that interested about the show.
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Sometimes I sense that I am boring a person who just plain is not contributing to the conversation. This annoys me, since I also find the other person boring for not sharing anything with me.
It makes me feel like I made dinner for somebody and the person complains. Hey, if you don't like my lasagna, make your own goddamn dinner!
Hmmm, yeah, this is annoying, but I usually just exit those conversations.
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I went to a bar with my now-sister-in-law for her bachelorette party. I met a guy who had just finished his PhD in political science. He had not learned the art of the two-sentence dissertation. He ended up talking my ear off about it all night. I was upfront about being married; at the end of the night he asked me if I would read it to proof it for publication. FML. I gave him my email, and I guess Sober Poli Sci Guy realized that was a terrible idea and never emailed me.
One other time, I was hanging out with some college friends and their new friends. There was another PhD student there, studying something or other. After 10 minutes of dissertation talk, I excused myself (it was a group), got a drink, and never came back. A few times during the night, I circled back to within earshot, and he was still doing the dissertation talk. Blargh. Maybe the people around him were genuinely interested, but after 2 hours, you could have actually defended your dissertation. Congratulations.
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I have at least 5 variation of my dissertation topic in a nutshell for a variety of social situations.
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I also have different versions of my research topic reserved for varying levels of background knowledge
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No.
Have you ever used Google Earth?
Yes!
That's a GIS! I want to use something like Google Earth to measure various things and work with conservation.
And bam, they get it, and I don't have to explain anything else, and no one really cares about the finer points of spatial distribution of erosion, so I don't rant about terracing. :(
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It took me awhile to figure it out, until someone asked me, "Oh, like Google Earth?" and it clicked. Oh, that's how I can explain it without going into too much detail! I felt so free :D
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But really, do these people not have families? I discovered as an undergrad that just because they're family and just because they asked "what is it that you're studying at university again?" it doesn't mean they're going to hang on to your every word. Eyes will glaze over regardless of how much grandma loves you.
(this is all somewhat tongue in cheek in case that wasn't clear)
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I did my BA in English, and I'm finding this startingly true. I tell people what I'm going to grad school for and they're ecstatic to talk to me.
When I was doing my senior thesis on lesbian themes in Virginia Woolf, they were not so much.
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Repulsed, insulted, incensed, put-off, confused - all those thing might apply, but truly bored? Hardly ever. I actually don't mind sitting next to someone who goes on and on about the most obscure subject, or even mainstream subject, as long as they seem truly engaged. I am even one of those devious party guests who enjoys getting people to talk at length about themselves because, well, people say the damndest things when someone actually stops to listen.
I guess I am put off by monotone recitals because I have a hard time focusing after a while - either I have to spice things up by getting the other person so excited about their topic that they get some tonality into their phrasing, or I have to move on. Certain kinds of facial hair on men (the nose-to-collarbone variety, usually) can drive me to distraction if kept in close quarters at a party, but beyond those two specifics, I say, let it all hang out.
I don't care if they tell the truth, I don't care if I tell the truth, I don't mind feigning interest and I don't mind tangents. I go to parties for entertainment and company, and if I can't get the kind of conversation that genuinely interests me, then I can get by just fine on the kind that holds a kind of morbid, "oh, the humanity!" kind of interest.
Call me evil, but listen well, and you will never be considered a party bore.
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When I was in college, I was in a long-distance relationship with Now-Mr. Ruthless. When I would go out to parties, I would find an obnoxious guy to talk to. A really self-centered, fratty douchebag. And then I would talk to him (or let him talk about himself) all night. And then at the end of the night, I'd be like, "peace out, homeslice," and he'd ask for my number, and I would tell him I wasn't interested. Sometimes I would call them out on their doucheyness (I had a guy tell me at a NYE party that I was a little fat, but it was OK, because I had HUUUUGE BOOBS. I laughed in his face). I'm sure I got called a bitch a number of times (once to my face, and not by the HUUUUGE BOOBS guy, another one). It was my little version of self-amusement, plus it meant that I was always the opposite of tempted to cheat; I would come home from a party with Loser McGee and be grateful for my boyf.
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The worst was the guy who went on for 45 minutes without even asking my name. Though when I got up to leave, he wanted my number. Ooof.
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I also know many nice hipsters, so I'm not a hater, right? :D
I'm looking for the right sexist:doucheybro ratio. But how to determine without hours of research? I have to be efficient.
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Hell, I've even forgotten how to flirt, because evidently I'm way too busy thinking Deep Thoughts now.
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I feel this is especially bad with active researchers and those in academia, because you're so engaged with learning new information about your field, so it takes up all your brain space!
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I have perfected my "that's so interesting!" face.
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