President or jihad? Is that what that says? Like he's either the President or he himself is "jihad"? THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE UNHINGED, COULDN'T YOU AT LEAST USE PROPER PARALLELS?
@Dodgergirl: Amen. That was my first reaction, too. Plus, those cartoons of Obama strike me as being a bit "Little Black Sambo." Racism is alive and well in the U.S. Sad.
First they try to sell us crappy cars, now they're trying to sell us their ridiculous political ideologies? I'll choose the one with leather interiors, please.
By the way, I thought I read in the liberal, feminist, abortion-loving manifesto weekly last month that we had all agreed to ignore these geniuses.
@sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit): Her face suggests that the crazy has gotten to her, though. So many people should just be ignored. Let Mr. Crazy fly his crazy sign (and seriously, death threats are not cool.)
@Stagtasticfantastic: Who said death threats were okay? And I disagree that these people should be ignored when they are propagating misinformation and largely motivated by fear and racism.
@Stagtasticfantastic: Who said death threats were okay? But ignoring them is not the answer, if they're going to propagate misinformation that stems from fear and racism. This shit can have scary consequences.
I dont't know. People like Fred Phelps and certain types of nutters, I don't know that they CAN be talked sense into. You shouldn't entirely ignore what they're doing, but people are very hard to talk out of things.
@Stagtasticfantastic: Going head to head with them in a debate is probably going to accomplish little. But pretending they don't exist won't accomplish anything. You're right about Fred Phelps et al, I'm just wary of ignoring these people and hoping they'll just die down.
@Brigit: Heh. "Sorry I tipped off the paps to the fact you were doing the walk of shame this morning! Now I'm going to fumigate my apartment and douse myself in spermicide."
After learning about the Psalm 109:8 stuff, the Birthers don't bother me as much anymore. My real fear is what comes next to top the Psalm 109:8 business.
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Not to defend these weirdos, but I remember a fakely sympathetic Feministing post about the White House leak about watching conservatives. How dare they be outraged by generalizations about their politics and how dangerous they are? Six months before, that would have been Bush-hates-civil-iberties outrage all over.
Everybody has a short memory when it comes to partisan politics.
@Stagtasticfantastic: But remember that memo came out when there was a lot of violence being committed by extreme right-wingers-- for example, Scott Roeder who murdered George Tiller, James Von Brunn who shot and killed the Holocaust Memorial guard, Jim David Adkisson who went on a shooting spree in UU church because of their support of gay marriage, Richard Poplawski who shot three police officers because he thought Obama was going to take away his guns, not to mention the many people who showed up at Obama appearances with guns. I'm sorry, but watching people in a movement that has seen a fair amount of extremists commit violent acts in a very short amount of time is not comparable to arresting people wearing anti-Bush shirts.
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Yes, but the sweeping nature of who to watch included returning veterans and people who are strongly in favor of "a cause" and people who don't like the federal government. There have been violent leftists, but is anyone really okay with watching ALL of them? Even certain right-wingers deserve more of an eye, it still seemed like a giant 180 that just further encourages polarization.
People who don't like the government are often pro gay rights and anti war and other good things. There's a whole facet of libertarianism (See Reason Magazine, etc) that never gets any attention because of a handful of crazies. The feministing post also grouped people who discuss the idea of secession with people who threaten to blow things up.
Right-wing violence or not, it was a giant generation and smacked of partisan amnesia and it was infuriating.
The DHS report specifically addressed the possibility of violence from anti-abortion radicals and anti-Semitic extremists. And in the last two weeks, Tiller was assassinated and a white supremacist opened fire at the Holocaust Memorial Museum.
The Republican hysteria over the DHS report -- which was, by the way, initiated by a Bush administration official -- was always based more on a partisan scheme than reality, but the incessant complaints look especially misguided today.
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Yes, so there was justified concerns underneath the giant generalizations. Does that mean that the Weather Underground's violence meant that the insane level of 60s surveillance against anti-war people was justified? Or, you know, Bush's wiretapping craziness because somewhere in the USA there are 15 people building a terrorist plot?
Fair enough if it was a Bush crony (figures, and all) but my point still stands. Most people involved in that are partisan hypocrites if they think one is justified, but the other is an outrage.
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By the way, I thought I read in the liberal, feminist, abortion-loving manifesto weekly last month that we had all agreed to ignore these geniuses.
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I dont't know. People like Fred Phelps and certain types of nutters, I don't know that they CAN be talked sense into. You shouldn't entirely ignore what they're doing, but people are very hard to talk out of things.
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Everybody has a short memory when it comes to partisan politics.
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People who don't like the government are often pro gay rights and anti war and other good things. There's a whole facet of libertarianism (See Reason Magazine, etc) that never gets any attention because of a handful of crazies. The feministing post also grouped people who discuss the idea of secession with people who threaten to blow things up.
Right-wing violence or not, it was a giant generation and smacked of partisan amnesia and it was infuriating.
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The DHS report specifically addressed the possibility of violence from anti-abortion radicals and anti-Semitic extremists. And in the last two weeks, Tiller was assassinated and a white supremacist opened fire at the Holocaust Memorial Museum.
The Republican hysteria over the DHS report -- which was, by the way, initiated by a Bush administration official -- was always based more on a partisan scheme than reality, but the incessant complaints look especially misguided today.
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Fair enough if it was a Bush crony (figures, and all) but my point still stands. Most people involved in that are partisan hypocrites if they think one is justified, but the other is an outrage.
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(And having seen him in Hamlet on Thursday, I can confirm he is prettier in person.)
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