I love this series. It has everything I could want in a drama: It's historically accurate! It features women in power! It's full of eye candy for both sexes! Oh la la!
*swoons*
@Mushu_the_educated_whale: Historically accurate? Hah. It's entertaining, it gets lot of details right, but accurate is kind of a funny word to use when talking about historical fiction. I do enjoy that the series does try to get things right though and freely admits when it does take liberties. And hey, I'm all for the equal amounts of nudity in the show.
@Mushu_the_educated_whale: They get a lot of little details about how people lived correct, but they take huge liberties with the historical characters.
@NerD: Blattella: The leaps in the timeline, yes. However, as a classics major it does irritate me a little to hear people spouting off about how sexually deviant the late Republic/ early Empire (after Augustus I imagine) was, how powerful and liberated women were, an excessive focus on the violence. I understand that these parts of Roman society appeal to our own tastes, but the Roman moralists had been complaining about Rome's decline since the 2nd Punic war for God's sake! You have to take the idea of Rome's moral decline and accounts of women's sexuality (always leading to the destruction of the Roman state) with a massive boulder of salt. No idea what Cato the Elder or Cicero would have thought of Nero or other imperial disasters. I do hope that these movies and shows encourage people to take classes on classical history and read the actual sources.
@5ft of fury: I'm aware that Rome is mostly fiction. It's illogical to assume that historians know such incredibly personal details about historical figures lives.
As far as American television and cinema go, Rome is leaps and bounds ahead of the pack in regards to historical accuracy.
If you want people to care about historical accuracy, you could try to be less condescending, eh Edna Krabappel?
(Not that I mind a well placed HAH!, the humor you see in my comment reeks of pretension).
@Mushu_the_educated_whale: I wasn't trying to be condescending. Like I said, it annoys me a little when people act like they are an expert at a subject because they saw 300. I'm sure it would annoy you if people thought themselves to be experts in your area of expertise after watching a movie or tv show and then never bothering to learn more. I'm hoping that you're trying to be funny.
@5ft of fury: I always try to be funny.
But I never claimed to be an expert. I was expressing my excitement for the Rome movie. I thought it was a positive comment. I can't express the disappointment I felt when I received so many replies, only to see that they imply that I'm stupid, rather than share enthusiasm.
But I suppose these are teh internets. Trolls abound. Especially "the professor". [www.cracked.com]
As much as I loved this show, I was sometimes shell-shocked by all the rape. I actually got in an argument with my husband when he told me he joined a fb group called "I live my life like Titus Pullo" and he thought it was so clever. I was like "he rapes women constantly!" and he was like "but they don't call it rape on the show" and I was like "but that's what rape is!" and then he sulked.
Now if only they could somehow final a way to Carnivale a satisfactory ending. Evil Sophie and not knowing whether or not Jonesy made it still bother me. Come on, HBO!!
YAY!!! I loved that show!! I loved it!!! Kevin McKidd is wonderful. I'm still bummed Journeyman got canceled. Why don't we make a Journeyman movie while we are at it?
I've been wanting to share this observation for awhile so here goes:
Yknow how Atia was supposed to be "slutty?" Like, there was graffiti in an early episode saying "Atia amat omnes," and those poster ads that were everywhere for awhile, with stuff written on the characters' faces, had "Atia is a slut?" Well, I ran the numbers, and she only had sex with two people the entire show (Timon and Antony). That makes her tied with Servilia as the LEAST slutty of all the main characters (and she lived longer than Servilia, so hey). Of the sex we actually witness on the show, Octavia actually has the most partners, at 6 (Glabius, Pompey, Servillia, Octavian, Agrippa, Antony) with others implied. Probably Antony and Pullo had more partners than that, but we don't see many of them.
@Susan B.: I don't think Atia is supposed to be slutty; I think the graffiti was just calling her a slut to be mean. She was, however, calculating, manipulative, deceitful, and willing to trade sex for favors.
@Kivrin: Well, HBO pitched her as slutty, and I think the first few episodes were setting us up to think of her that way.
Not that there's anything wrong with sluttiness. I should probably use a different word, but y'all know what I mean. Sluts in the house say yeah! (Yeah!)
I can't help but think that for a former junkie, Vorenus has made huge leaps forward. (Sorry, Kevin McKidd will always be Tommy from Trainspotting to me... sniffle)
I saw Ray Stevenson on the streets of the Lower East Side shortly after moving to New York, and it made my month. He is positively enormous and so much hotter in person.
@Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: I would guess he's about 6'4 and built like a brick shithouse. SOO my type. It's too bad he's straight. My search will have to continue.
@bpdoherty77001: Seriously, I just got yelled at for gasping at my desk. 6'4? Oh my fucking God, I can't breath. Big men are the best.
And, I don't feel bad for you, the ladies get Ray, but you get Jake Gylenhall (don't try and argue)
@Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: Have you watched Rome on DVD and turned on the "All Roads Lead to Rome" feature? If so, you'll know the ironic meaning of Pullo's last name: "shrimp" or "little one."
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*swoons*
This is nerd porn at it's highest caliber.
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I really wonder what they could do as a movie here though. Augustus's reign was relatively peaceful, and Vorenus is dead.
Not that it will keep me away from the movie.
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As far as American television and cinema go, Rome is leaps and bounds ahead of the pack in regards to historical accuracy.
If you want people to care about historical accuracy, you could try to be less condescending, eh Edna Krabappel?
(Not that I mind a well placed HAH!, the humor you see in my comment reeks of pretension).
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But I never claimed to be an expert. I was expressing my excitement for the Rome movie. I thought it was a positive comment. I can't express the disappointment I felt when I received so many replies, only to see that they imply that I'm stupid, rather than share enthusiasm.
But I suppose these are teh internets. Trolls abound. Especially "the professor".
[www.cracked.com]
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Now if only they could somehow final a way to Carnivale a satisfactory ending. Evil Sophie and not knowing whether or not Jonesy made it still bother me. Come on, HBO!!
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Thought about it. Will start watching this weekend.
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SORRY I CAN'T NOT CAPSLOCK ALL OVER THIS THREAD.
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I hope they shoot in Rome. The sets are still here.
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Yknow how Atia was supposed to be "slutty?" Like, there was graffiti in an early episode saying "Atia amat omnes," and those poster ads that were everywhere for awhile, with stuff written on the characters' faces, had "Atia is a slut?" Well, I ran the numbers, and she only had sex with two people the entire show (Timon and Antony). That makes her tied with Servilia as the LEAST slutty of all the main characters (and she lived longer than Servilia, so hey). Of the sex we actually witness on the show, Octavia actually has the most partners, at 6 (Glabius, Pompey, Servillia, Octavian, Agrippa, Antony) with others implied. Probably Antony and Pullo had more partners than that, but we don't see many of them.
Just sayin'.
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Not that there's anything wrong with sluttiness. I should probably use a different word, but y'all know what I mean. Sluts in the house say yeah! (Yeah!)
#tips
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#tips
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(Me, too. Actually, Rome helped me *stop* thinking of him as Tommy, and I'm grateful for that.)
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And, I don't feel bad for you, the ladies get Ray, but you get Jake Gylenhall (don't try and argue)
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That's about all I can muster.
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I've missed you Atia of the Julii!
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