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Princess Leela
09/22/09

In reply to How Long Until Fat-Hating Fashion Stylist Invokes "But I Love Beth Ditto" Defense?
The article doesn't actually quote her as saying their undesirable style of walking was BECAUSE of their weight/size. I suppose that's the obvious connection for us all to make, but it doesn't actually say that.
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Penny
09/22/09

@Princess Leela: If they were bad walkers it probably had more to do with the fact that they are editorial models because no one ever casts runway models that size.
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Princess Leela
09/22/09

@Penny: True ... it all circles back to the same problem. I just like accuracy, though.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
09/22/09

@Penny: Elena Miró does, and has for years. I'm confused that people seem to think this is such a novelty. Perhaps it's the contrast -- all the models in a Miró show are size 6, 8, 10, but none of them are 0,2, 4.
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ShrilataMover
09/22/09

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Seriously, for most of you who do not work in fashion or with models. THE WALKING is important, and it is a lot harder than it looks. Are any of you familiar with Erika Kurihara's work? She has always styled all sizes, ethnicities, and ages in her editorial work when it wasn't popular to do this. And judging from what I have seen, the plus sized models in Mark Fast's show, had crappy walks. Also, before you Jezebels get all happy about this casting: Mark didn't use a single "Black" model. Wanessa is Brazilian of mixed heritage, and Rachel Rutt is half White and Asian...The plus-size casting decision was obviously for novelty.
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Penny
09/22/09

@ShrilataMover: I'm not overly excited about this casting. However....yes, walking is important, the point is that why would a model 4 sizes smaller necessarily be able to walk any better? This is Mark Fast, it's not like he had the industry's top walkers.
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Penny
09/22/09

@ShrilataMover: Also, I have no idea why you put Black in quotes. Are Black people allegedly Black?
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gherkinfiend
09/22/09

@Penny: These models likely weren't booked at the last minute, so why wasn't there the chance to give them some extra practice at walking?

It seems odd that the stylist was more concerned about this and not the ill fitting underwear...
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Nariel
09/22/09

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I know what the stylist is talking about. Us fatties waddle around like pregnant bowlegged penguins, pausing every few steps to catch our breath. It's an ordeal just to haul ass out of bed and waddle to the refrigerator. God knows what I'd look like, hauling my fat ass down the runway. I'd probably have someone following behind me with a chair and a Big Gulp so I could rest and drink every 15 feet. Thank the lord someone's brave and smart enough to break their silence on this topic. Where would we be without her?
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willwriteforfood
09/22/09

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The photo of the Fast model above is much better than the one that ran yesterday, in which the dress looked incredibly ill-fitting and uncomfortable. It looked like it was cutting into her skin in some places. I wrote that off to bad lighting or bad camera work.

But in the above photo, I see how the dress is supposed to fit. It (and she) looks pretty damn hot. I only wish I could pull off a look like that. Good for Fast.
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GirlFailer
09/22/09

@willwriteforfood: I think the fit was so bad because the stylist had apparently given the ladies ill-fitting undergarments. If you look at the gallery it wasn't the dresses so much as the underwear. I think the stylist was being spiteful and gave them too -small underwear. No matter what your size, if your panties don't fit, you will look uncomfortable.
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willwriteforfood
09/22/09

@GirlFailer: I went back to look at the photo and you're right, you can see her bra and panties cutting into her body. If that was done on purpose, then that's just evil.

WTF is a stylist doing commenting on the models' walk or build, anyway? I would think a stylist of any talent can work with the people and clothing they're given without crabbing about it. I doubt a designer pays a stylist to mouth off about his choice of clothing or employee.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
09/22/09

@GirlFailer: Well said.
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LeCauchemar
09/22/09

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The DeBeers spokesman continued, "We told the miners to turn off the faucet while they brush their teeth and asked the warlords to recycle bullets."
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thelastsara
09/22/09

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Sometimes it's really hard for me to remember that Tim Gunn isn't my real-life friend.
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Penny
09/22/09

@thelastsara: Speaking of, I just sent this to my boss and our buyers in response to a whiny email from our store staff.....you gots to click on it for the full effect.
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Penny
09/22/09

@Penny:
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futuremouse
09/22/09

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I sympathize with that stylist. Sometimes my belly fat reaches up and smacks me in the face when I walk. This would be awkward on the runway.
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Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
09/22/09

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Really, when you think about it, having "plus" size models walk your show is rather business savvy. They are absolutely right when they say that, because of the size of the models usually walking in shows, women believe only thin women can wear the clothes and look good. Some designers love the exclusivity of that. Other designers see how limiting it is to their bottom line and think otherwise. Capitalism FTW!
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PinkSoxHat
09/22/09

@Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: This was a genius move, and only keeps looking better. One, non size -0 see that they might actually be able to wear these clothes. Two, it would have gotten press regardless of this situation, because a designer used someone out of the norm. Three, he comes out smelling like roses and is getting even more press for it because of the reaction.
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lalaland13
09/22/09

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"The kept tripping over the burritos and waffle fries strewn about the runway, and I was concerned for their health," Kurihara explained. "I told them to think happy yogurt thoughts, but they refused."

I shall now dream of runways filled with waffle fries.
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wtfox?!
09/22/09

@lalaland13: This sounds like heaven to me. Where is this marvelous place, where the streets are paved with burritos and waffle fries?
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Penny
09/22/09

@lalaland13: Personally I think the bacon made the runway a bit slippery.

Hmmmmmmmbaaaacon.....
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rednrowdy
09/22/09

@lalaland13: ooh, could it be a combination of chick-fil-a waffle fries and arby's seasoned curly fries?

mmmmmmmm. friiiiiiiiiies.
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SevenNationArmy has truth tourettes
09/22/09

@lalaland13: Mmmm Chick-fil-A waffle fries FTW!
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lalaland13
09/22/09

@wtfox?!: Sadly, for now it only exists in my hungry head. Good thing lunch is coming up.

There is also a waterfall. Made of soft-serve ice cream.
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Penny
09/22/09

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Pft, fat people don't walk. They waddle.
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futuremouse
09/22/09

@Penny: Unless there's a special at McDonalds, then we run. But absolutely nothing in between.
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boobookitteh
09/22/09

@Penny: no. they ride Rascals.
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messybessy
09/03/09

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I. Love. Jennifer. Connelly. So. Much.
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badmutha
09/03/09

@messybessy: I second this affection for her.
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greengrey
09/03/09

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"Mark your calendars! She by Sheree, apparently some design offspring of a Real Housewife, is coming to Fashion Week."

Fashion week has jumped the shark.
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librariesare4lovers
07/02/09

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Dodai,

Are you familiar with Octavia Bulter's novel Fledgling? That has a female vampire protagonist who is also black.
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Cerridwen
07/02/09

@librariesare4lovers: Good call! I was actually kind of disappointed in that novel, although I generally really enjoy Butler's fiction. But it's a superb example of a piece of literature that does not conform to this thesis.
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librariesare4lovers
07/02/09

@Cerridwen: Yeah I was a little underwhelmed with it too but it was def a good twist on vampire lore.
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HereComesMyBaby
07/02/09

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I do not agree with this article. The history of vampirism paints it as a feminized (if not entirely female) monstrosity.
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ArtfulSlinger
07/02/09

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True Blood is basically a soap opera with Vampires filling the roles of any other undesirable groups/minorities. But apparently, the Vampire Queen, played by Evan Rachel Wood is about to make her way onto the show, so Im stoked for that.
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tiredfairy
07/02/09

@ArtfulSlinger: My issue with the vamps-as-minority metaphor (and I think Ball has specified that it's supposed to be a metaphor for how homosexualized are demonized) is that it...doesn't really work. In order for it to work the vampires would need to be...not actually bad. Except they are. They kill people, lock them in basements, that whole tribunal was creepy, etc.

I mean, yes, Bill makes some effort...and they're at least nuanced characters. But the metaphor just completely doesn't work for me. I suppose they could be saying that people literally view "others" as non-human...but again, for it to be a workable metaphor, they'd need to be misunderstood. Which so far, not so much.

I dunno...I think I'm just disappointed with the show. I really wanted to like it and have fun with it...and mostly I'm just finding myself bored or annoyed by it.
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Cerridwen
07/02/09

@tiredfairy: This is a late reply, but I totally agree. It's becoming more and more apparent to me as I watch the first season how faulty the show's main metaphor is...and it is marring my enjoyment of it. The people who are against vampires and vampire society are portrayed as bigots and ignorant rednecks, when in reality, they have a really.good.point. Aside from Bill, we really don't see any vampires that are trying very hard to not be brutal and violent (at least as far as I have seen, nearing the end of Season 1). There are all sorts of other things I could nitpick, like how vampires want full civil rights and yet they have their own government and judicial system. We're supposed to be on Sookie's side and think her friends are unfairly thwarting her great love with Bill and yet I can see exactly why they would be so freaked out. At least in the Buffy-verse, Angel was an obvious exception. He was good for very specific reasons, it was made explicit that all other vampires were evil though-and-through and that Angel was only held back from that evil through a tenuous ensoulment.
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