I hate to break it to her, but working out 7 days a week isn't going to keep her safe from retouching. That cover is retouched.
She's sort of deluded and a little bit sad, in a way.
There are so many more interesting things to do with your time and money than spend it at the gym, worrying about how you look to everyone else. #victoriabeckhambazaar
to echo some previous comments, good for her for being honest, and also for not wanting retouching. I'd prefer to see a super-toned and slim person who works her ass off to maintain it than to see someone who's been Photoshopped beyond recognition. unfortunately, it's become part of her job to look good, as with most celebrities, and if she wants to dedicate so much time to it, then let her do what she wants to maintain the appearance she desires. I spend my waking hours dedicated to my work, so I understand. except my work won't get me into a sample-size pair of jeans. but I'm ok with that. #victoriabeckhambazaar
I don't think they're showing up in the first tier and I'd rather not promote them, but I'm seeing quite a few body snarking comments. Not okay.
Discussing cultural attitudes about women's bodies, our obsession with thinness and how that relates to her statements is one thing.
Comments that judge her body are not. I may be concerned with how she's achieving it, I may wonder at her choice of words and what that means...but women's bodies are judged enough. Slim bodies are beautiful. Fat bodies are beautiful. We should be trying to weed that out of our discussions, not jump on the opportunity just because we're discussing something difficult. #victoriabeckhambazaar
There's nothing Beckham could say to please everyone: we (just meaning the public in general) would freak out if she said she was exercising a lot for magazine covers, we'd accuse her of B.S. if she said she was working out to feel good and live longer, we'd be annoyed if she said she's naturally thin and eats cheeseburgers every day, we'd be appalled and/or concerned if she talked about it taking extreme calorie restriction for her to maintain her weight. I don't think there's any way that a celebrity can talk about her body and have it come across as both positive and authentic. #victoriabeckhambazaar
I take issue with the statement "thank God she has boys instead of girls." I mean, yes, it would be terrible if she had young girls absorbing the message that being thin is more important than your health. But isn't it just as bad to raise boys who expect this level of dangerous vanity in women? A lot of men will admit that they value certain qualities in women that they learned from their mothers. So women that project the message that they are only worthy and complete when they are underweight and forcing themselves to be that way are raising boys who will probably think that this a normal and even ideal condition for a woman. Bogus. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@BetteD: I think I agree with you. Those kids are going to grow up thinking her rationale for exercising is normal, and they'll expect it.
Being in shape (for health) is great. But why can't we start believing that beauty comes in more than one size? Plenty of beautiful women photograph well without being radically underweight. (Tho I have no idea about Posh's weight). #victoriabeckhambazaar
@CristinaS: To be fair, we don't know what her sons are going to grow up thinking. Children who grow up in homes with parents addicted to alcohol instead of exercise often come out the other side as adults who realize the dangers of that sort of obsession and don't drink. There is a chance that they might see the stress and angst that their mothers obsession with her body image causes and might reject those ideas. They might not. Only time will tell. But its important to remember that children grow and think independent of their parents and sometimes who they are is in reaction to something they saw and disliked about their parents. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@KATE!: You're right; god knows I didn't mimic my parents' faults (just grew new ones of my own.) I hope they don't think that their mother's body obsession is normal. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@KATE!: I hope you're right. And it is true that children frequently grow in opposition to their parents' quirks or bad habits. But for every kid that forsakes the drink by remembering his Mom's alcoholism, there's a little girl that sees her mother's diet pills and has a seed of self-doubt planted in her mind. That's all I was trying to say. #victoriabeckhambazaar
Seems like the goal is to look as good as the false, digitally altered version of yourself.
At first that seemed kind of odd to me, but then again, I've never had a digitally altered version of myself as a reference to be compared with. I imagine that would set up a strange kind of standard, an easy pitfall for someone with a weak self image. Especially with some of the extreme photoshopping we've been seeing lately! #victoriabeckhambazaar
yknow, i'd rather she be saying she works out to look good, than saying she starves to look good. I'v read far too many things recently with 'celebrities' saying they watch what they eat and that they are awfully hungry all the time (i think it was julianne moore whose interview i read last week). Honestly, if this encourages people who look up to her to work out to look like her, rather than starve themselves, than im ok with it.
although, i do think shes far too small according to *my* standards of what looks 'good'. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@rd2uk: Elizabeth Hurley constantly talks about how hungry she is and I want to be like "well, than eat something, lady!" I find it really sad, actually. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@rd2uk: Except she has also said she carefully watches what she eats, and obsessive exercising is a diagnosable part of some ED's. Other actresses have talked about compulsive exercising, like Christina Ricci, as a way to stay slim.
Starving yourself isn't good, but neither is any compulsive behavior. Over exercising can harm your heart, your muscles, and cause injuries, especially if you're also limiting calories.
I'm not saying that's what she's doing, but the reasons for doing something matter in this sort of thing. ED's aren't just about what is done, but why it's done. #victoriabeckhambazaar
I work out consistently 2-3 times a week and I'm actually quite physically fit. I don't have an amazing body, but I'm in good shape and I rare get sick. I could probably have a better body if I started eating just lettuce and grilled chicken for lunch, followed by steamed fish with spinach for dinner and no snacks. But I don't. I don't eat fast food, and I don't eat Italian every night...but my life is not about restriction.
BOTH my parents work out, almost every day, and the #1 reason is to stay healthy...and then secondarily to stay in shape. Very sad that Posh (who I happen to love) hasn't figured this out yet.... #victoriabeckhambazaar
@JinxyMcDeath: Plus, doesn't the body actually need down time for muscles to recover? Every trainer I've ever had has told me this, especially if you're doing weights. I realize cardio is a bit different, but any strain on the muscles requires some recovery time. Working out 7 days a week would seem to counter attack the bodies natural need to reknit and get stronger. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@JinxyMcDeath: Italian food--not some Americanized red-sauce version--is actually pretty damn healthy, as are the foods of most Mediterranean cultures...and most non-American cultures. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@SmaženýSýr: Ugh, I knew someone was going to call me out on this but didn't feel like going back to clarify that I'm talking about American Italian food with lots of cheese and oil and bread. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@tiredfairy: Well, this is why you do legs one day, upper body the next, etc. It's perfectly acceptable to work out seven days a week. And you can certainly do cardio daily. Most folks alternate between lighter cardio workouts and more intense workouts.
Victoria Beckham's definitely doing it wrong, though, since she clearly doesn't eat. She's a bit scary-looking without the extensive retouching that's always done on her face. #victoriabeckhambazaar
this may sound awful, but i would venture that many, many, many people...both male and female...don't work out because it makes them feel good but rather because it makes them look good, and that makes them feel good. rather than keeping their body healthy (which is does by default unless you're smoking 3 packs a day with a steady diet of nothing but burgers and grease), it keeps their vanity healthy and flourishing.
to be fair, though, vanity is part of her job. it's a tax writeoff for her. for the rest of us, not so much. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@rednrowdy: I still maintain that it's not vanity if you're a woman
- whose sense of self-worth has been invested almost entirely in her looks, as is relentlessly reinforced in this culture;
- whose husband/BF has made disparaging or "threateningly appreciative" remarks about her body;
- whose boss punishingly reinforces the "you can't have healthy mind without 'healthy' (read slim) body.
Under those circumstances, I would argue that, however warped and Darwinian, it's a survival strategy. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@ElleL: i get the feeling that whole issue has kind of been constructed by bloggers...the whole 'oh posh wants to be on american vogue but anna will give it to everyone BUT her... ' #victoriabeckhambazaar
What I really want to hear is celebrities admitting that they exercise because it is fun and a great pump is a great high! Wouldn't that be refreshing? #victoriabeckhambazaar
For years, this woman has talked about how she carefully controls her food, in a way that makes one think she is a whisper away from an ED (if not suffering from one). She has said ridiculous things, such as not wanting to exercise because she "can't get (her) head around" the flat shoes. She's relayed the message that if you want to be like Victoria Beckham, then deprivation is the key.
And now she tells us she's working out because she wants to look nice in fashion magazines. One bad message after another, and yet people still say they find her honesty refreshing. I'm just hoping she's too old now for young girls to still be looking up to her. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@heykoukla: woooahhh, agree that its one bad msg after another, but then you followed it up with a bad message of your own! A 35 year old is 'too old' to be looked up to? IMO thats a far worse msg than 'i work out to look good' #victoriabeckhambazaar
@rd2uk: No, that's not what I meant at all. I meant it from the point of view of teenage girls - VB has been around a long time, and they've since moved on to the likes of Cheryl Cole.
Granted, she didn't admit it was purely to look good for publicity, but I remember when Gwen Stefani had her first kid - she came out and said, "Yeah, I have to work at this. My natural tendency is to be heavier, so I work out and watch what I eat because I like to look a certain way in clothes." (Not a direct quote, BTW, but you get the point.) It was a revelation that people who were famous may also have to struggle to lose weight - but it also made me feel more normal for a) wanting to look better in clothes and b) needing to work at it.
I much prefer that to the tired celebrity message of, "Oh, I'm just a vegetarian with a really high metabolism." #victoriabeckhambazaar
@rixatrix: Exactly. I recall that interview too. Plus, if I spent the amount of time I do at work exercising and rigidly following a nutritionists guidelines and a plastic surgeon on retainer, I wouldn't need photoshop either. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@rixatrix: I also prefer that.. When a celebrity says 'you know what, this is my job and I have tons of people helping me look this good' I find it better than making us mere mortals feel bad because we don't have their genes. I feel better saying if I had a nutritionist, a chef, a trainer, etc I could be like that too. #victoriabeckhambazaar
Does everyone buying these mags want "perfection", though? As we've seen lately, lots of people are perfectly okay with seeing women as they are, with or without a lot of exercise. There are others who aren't, by why are we only catering to perfectionists? And why is something that can only be achieved through working out 7 days a week, I would assume with a trainer, the only possible ideal?
I would hesitate to say that exercising this much is unhealthy...because some people just love exercising and that's great. But I do think the reasons should matter...and obsessively doing anything, especially if part of that obsession may be an issue with being "imperfect" in some way, usually isn't good for emotional health. I mean...if she only worked out 5 days a week, would she feel like she wasn't as "good"? I think that is a scary message, really...that someone who looks like her feels like she has to do these things to be physically acceptable. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@tiredfairy: I see your point, and it's a good one. But we don't know if she feels that way or not. Like you said, some folks just love working out. Maybe VB is one of those folks. Maybe she's like this girl in my town that I see running every.day. In the rain, in the snow, in the blazing 100 degree heat. I overheard her in Starbucks one morning; someone asked her how she was doing before some marathon. She responded that she'd been running 25 miles per day, 6 and 7 days per week. She's a healthy, muscular girl of (guessing) eighteen or so. I assume, correctly or not, that she just really loves running that much. But I don't know if that's true or not, see. So I don't judge her for it. I'm a little jealous of her calves, though:) #victoriabeckhambazaar
@Aesop's Foibles. YES.: I think her actual statement above is a little telling, though. She doesn't say she loves working out. She says she does it to maintain a specific look. Which is definitely different. I can only go by the statements she made, and some of it does seem limited.
Maybe she does just love the feel of it. But I think anytime the main reason for something is looks related, you're in dangerous territory. Our culture encourages an obsession with looks over health, or equating the two, and the idea of control through the body.
And I'm really not judging, I'm asking, because I think it's socially relevant. Athletes obviously make a living through keeping their bodies fit, and again, there is nothing wrong with exercise or slim bodies.
But I'm not criticizing or judging her body, really. I'm wondering about the reasons behind why, based on her statements, she seems to feel it -needs- to look this way to be acceptable to others. I think that's important, because I think women are steadily conditioned to think and valued themselves this way. Looking however the culture currently views as ideal is fine...but I would hope you could look back on yourself and think you looked good even if you didn't work out 7 times a week...and I would really hope that want to be proud of other things you've done besides the way you look. #victoriabeckhambazaar
@miyamyo: Every other day makes a lot more sense, actually, because the body actually needs down time for the muscles to get stronger/repair. Any trainer worth their salt will tell you that, especially if you're doing any weight training. #victoriabeckhambazaar
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She's sort of deluded and a little bit sad, in a way.
There are so many more interesting things to do with your time and money than spend it at the gym, worrying about how you look to everyone else. #victoriabeckhambazaar
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Discussing cultural attitudes about women's bodies, our obsession with thinness and how that relates to her statements is one thing.
Comments that judge her body are not. I may be concerned with how she's achieving it, I may wonder at her choice of words and what that means...but women's bodies are judged enough. Slim bodies are beautiful. Fat bodies are beautiful. We should be trying to weed that out of our discussions, not jump on the opportunity just because we're discussing something difficult. #victoriabeckhambazaar
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Being in shape (for health) is great. But why can't we start believing that beauty comes in more than one size? Plenty of beautiful women photograph well without being radically underweight. (Tho I have no idea about Posh's weight). #victoriabeckhambazaar
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At first that seemed kind of odd to me, but then again, I've never had a digitally altered version of myself as a reference to be compared with. I imagine that would set up a strange kind of standard, an easy pitfall for someone with a weak self image. Especially with some of the extreme photoshopping we've been seeing lately! #victoriabeckhambazaar
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although, i do think shes far too small according to *my* standards of what looks 'good'. #victoriabeckhambazaar
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Starving yourself isn't good, but neither is any compulsive behavior. Over exercising can harm your heart, your muscles, and cause injuries, especially if you're also limiting calories.
I'm not saying that's what she's doing, but the reasons for doing something matter in this sort of thing. ED's aren't just about what is done, but why it's done. #victoriabeckhambazaar
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BOTH my parents work out, almost every day, and the #1 reason is to stay healthy...and then secondarily to stay in shape. Very sad that Posh (who I happen to love) hasn't figured this out yet.... #victoriabeckhambazaar
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Victoria Beckham's definitely doing it wrong, though, since she clearly doesn't eat. She's a bit scary-looking without the extensive retouching that's always done on her face. #victoriabeckhambazaar
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to be fair, though, vanity is part of her job. it's a tax writeoff for her. for the rest of us, not so much. #victoriabeckhambazaar
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- whose sense of self-worth has been invested almost entirely in her looks, as is relentlessly reinforced in this culture;
- whose husband/BF has made disparaging or "threateningly appreciative" remarks about her body;
- whose boss punishingly reinforces the "you can't have healthy mind without 'healthy' (read slim) body.
Under those circumstances, I would argue that, however warped and Darwinian, it's a survival strategy. #victoriabeckhambazaar
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't. #victoriabeckhambazaar
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And now she tells us she's working out because she wants to look nice in fashion magazines. One bad message after another, and yet people still say they find her honesty refreshing. I'm just hoping she's too old now for young girls to still be looking up to her. #victoriabeckhambazaar
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I much prefer that to the tired celebrity message of, "Oh, I'm just a vegetarian with a really high metabolism." #victoriabeckhambazaar
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I would hesitate to say that exercising this much is unhealthy...because some people just love exercising and that's great. But I do think the reasons should matter...and obsessively doing anything, especially if part of that obsession may be an issue with being "imperfect" in some way, usually isn't good for emotional health. I mean...if she only worked out 5 days a week, would she feel like she wasn't as "good"? I think that is a scary message, really...that someone who looks like her feels like she has to do these things to be physically acceptable. #victoriabeckhambazaar
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Maybe she does just love the feel of it. But I think anytime the main reason for something is looks related, you're in dangerous territory. Our culture encourages an obsession with looks over health, or equating the two, and the idea of control through the body.
And I'm really not judging, I'm asking, because I think it's socially relevant. Athletes obviously make a living through keeping their bodies fit, and again, there is nothing wrong with exercise or slim bodies.
But I'm not criticizing or judging her body, really. I'm wondering about the reasons behind why, based on her statements, she seems to feel it -needs- to look this way to be acceptable to others. I think that's important, because I think women are steadily conditioned to think and valued themselves this way. Looking however the culture currently views as ideal is fine...but I would hope you could look back on yourself and think you looked good even if you didn't work out 7 times a week...and I would really hope that want to be proud of other things you've done besides the way you look. #victoriabeckhambazaar
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Exercising for the sole purpose of just looking good, not even feeling good, can be a little worrisome, though... #victoriabeckhambazaar
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