This lady just needed to hand her kids some Beverly Cleary, Scott O'Dell and Judy Blume, and she'd have accomplished her goal. And when they get a bit older, toss some Madeleine L'Engle - the early books - in there as well.
The Girls are Not Chicks book sounds like a parody of a feminist children's book. Not a good thing.
Now I want to read all of the books mentioned in this comment thread.
I would add both "Jacob Have I Loved" (man, do I love that book...I loved it as a kid, and love it more as an adult, b/c I can identify with Sarah Louise more, for better and for worse) and "Bridge to Terabithia" (two sensitive kids who buck gender roles and find each other? Good stuff).
I am obsessed with this topic. I come from a very conservative family, and I'm convinced that the reason I am a super radical feminist is my reading list. The Princess and the Dragon started it off when I just learned to read--mostly pictures, a little text. It's about a princess who acts like a dragon and a dragon who acts like a princess. They trade places and everybody is happier. And it's funny.
Then Jane and the Dragon came after I liked a bit more text (but still mostly pictures). About a girl who wants to be a knight, but everybody laughs at her and tells her to be a lady-in-waiting. So the court jester gives her his small-sized armor, she secretly practices, and when the time comes and all the knights are far away at a tournament and the prince gets kidnapped by a dragon, she saves him. Except it turns out that the dragon is nice and is just trying to fit in, he doesn't actually want to kidnap princess. Jane teaches him to be himself.
Then came the Enchanted Forest Chronicles, which I know tons of people here have read because I get private messages every now and again with people telling me that they loved those books.
I also liked Winter of Fire, which I think is out of print. Those are chapter books.
I am positive that the two picture books about dragons absolutely made me who I am today. I am obsessed with them. But my parents didn't know that they were, or intend for them to be, feminist books. I just liked dragons and they thought "hell, anything with princess has to be good for a little girl, right?" Oh, how wrong they were.
@Cimorene: The Enchanted Forest Chronicles was my favorite as a kid. Loved them, so did my best friend, Jimmy. Also, loved the Paperbag Princess as I said above.
@Cimorene: omg! I have never heard anyone else say they loved Winter of Fire (for a long time I didn't know it was by a New Zealand author so that could explain why none of my friends had heard of it)! My copy is 14 years old an so tattered, but I still reread it every year. I was in love with Elsha, such a great heroine for a young (and now older) bookworm
I actually trace the genesis of my feminist awakening back to the Little House books, not that they articulated feminist views, but just reading the story from Laura's POV made me realize that girls and women were peripheral in most of my other stories, and on Sesame Street.
I thought it was crappy that Ma did so much work, but Pa seemed to make the decisions for the family. I also thought it was a shame that Laura had to become a Wilder when she married Almanzo, after all she'd been though as an Ingalls. Then I realized that my mother had done the same and that my siblings and I were given my father's name only and I thought that was unfair. Not knowing that it was an option for me to keep my name, I decided that if I couldn't be a boy when I grew up, I wouldn't marry.
You know what I just realized was more important than reading all of these great books as a kid? Having a dad that read them with me.
He made the protaganists relevant to my life and instilled the belief in me from a young age that I could and should attempt to conquer anything I desired.
Reading and a supportive dad: a winning combination.
@curiousgeorgiana: I strongly concur. My dad was largely unable to read, but he would sit beside me while I read and told him the stories. Ah, memories.
I must've been a good little feminist... The list almost mirrors the list of my favorite books as a child, especially A Wrinkle in Time.
@curiousgeorgiana: My dad is not terribly affectionate or expressive, but he read to me every night until I was almost ten, and I think that was probably the most important bonding time we had.
@katie.scarlett.o'hara: My favorite Lyra moment is when she asks the compass what Will is, and when it answers, "A murderer," she goes to sleep relieved. After all, you can trust a murderer!
I think it's definitely important to seek out books with central female characters, not only for girls, but for boys, so they don't grow up to be the men who think the male viewpoint is universal, and the female viewpoint is niche. Representation matters, even if what the kid articulates about it is "boats" he or she has just enjoyed a book in which being female is a normal thing.
@Hana Maru: true blue! boys need to also envision girls/women as leaders, protagonists, etc. for it to really make a difference. i'm so sick of girls being sidekicks, or books with girls being for girls, while books having boys in the lead as universal.
@Hana Maru: Yes! And there doesn't even have to be a message (beyond the usual kids stuff – sharing, caring, looking both ways). Just the idea that girls and women are people and the heroes in their own lives.
Just the other day I was listening to someone go on about how the wish to 'save the day and get the girl' is universal. Really? I think 50 percent of the world's population might have something to say about that (that'd be 40 percent straight women and 10 percent gay men). And this was someone who had prepared a speech and thought a lot about the subject, but never once paused to consider that his p.o.v. left women as either getting saved or, if he's feeling generous, 'getting' men.
I have never been thrilled with the supposed feminist message in "Free to Be...You and Me." Basically it says it's OK to be a girl as long as you're not a girly-girl. Isn't feminism supposed to be about being yourself, whether you like to fight with swords or wear ruffly dresses or whatever? As a ruffly-dress-type girl I always found it a little offensive.
@ihateyourescalade: Are you talking about just the "sweet young thing" cartoon or more parts than that? I just discovered Free to Be on youtube a couple of weeks ago and fell in love, particularly with the Atalanta cartoon. Maybe it's because I try to see the best in people, but I took the pretty young thing cartoon where she's always saying "ladies first" to be talking not necessarily about girly girls, but about girls who think they should be given better treatment because they're girls. And against being a greedy brat. I feel like Free to Be wasn't necessarily a diatribe against "girly girls" but rather showing girls that there's an alternative to that if they so choose. Also, I totally teared up in the Atalanta cartoon when young John ran beside her as her equal.
I have two sons and I used to read them 'girly books'. We had the whole Madeline collectionfor my older boy. He also loved Ariel the Little Mermaid. I drew the line at older Disney fare and refused to let them watch PETER PAN, SNOW WHITE, SLEEPING BEAUTY or CINDERELLA.
My sons aren't avid readers--they're tech nerds--and I am a cinephile, so I select films such as the ALIEN series (Ripley FTW), KILL BILL or the old BUFFY TV series.
It's rather like slipping minced vegetables in the spaghetti sauce or among the pizza toppings. My boys don't know I'm feeding them something that's 'good for them'.
"Little kids aren't really known for their love of abstract concepts. What they are known for: resisting well-intentioned parental indoctrination of all kinds. "
OH SO TRUE! And that is why I am not a Republican math/science nerd despite my parents' indoctrination.
@hello.kitty: fabulous! i so believe in planting these seeds early on. i don't have kids yet, but no matter what their gender, i'm going to make sure they are introduced to female characters in all lights - not just pretty supporting roles.
Arrows of the Queen trilogy by Mercedes Lackey, Weetzie Bat, Robin McKinley's books, all the L. M. Montgomery books (even if they weren't radically rejecting everything, sometimes their small rebellions against their families were even more touching), the Harper Hall trilogy by Anne McCaffrey, Jane Yolen's Sister Light, Sister Dark, L'Engle's Wrinkle in Time....
but to be fair, the biggest influence on me becoming a feminist was simply my mom.
When I was in 3rd grade, a teacher asked me what i liked to read. I said i liked stories with women. Then she gave me a book about some girl who was strong and rode a horse. It was unbelievably boring. I hated that story, even if the teacher meant well and it was positive. I buried it under a mountain of books about the rainforest in my cubby.
I think sometimes, as adults, we think little girls are taking much more to heart from the media that they actually are. Children think blond Barbie is beautiful because adults in their lives gave them the message that blond Barbie is beautiful, not because Barbie is their doll, and they like their doll. I remember one comment on here that said that Disney taught little girls that older women were villains and useless. While Disney does have a few older women as villains, as a kid, I did not strongly dislike older women because of what I saw in those movies. I had positive older women in my life who provided a good example for me. Kids take messages from the real world a lot more seriously than from pretend world.
Of course we should have more positive representations of all kinds of women in the media, and in children's media, I am not arguing against that, and please don't take my comment that way. I think that this post does hit the nail on the head though -- sometimes little kids just see the boats.
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The Girls are Not Chicks book sounds like a parody of a feminist children's book. Not a good thing.
Now I want to read all of the books mentioned in this comment thread.
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Then Jane and the Dragon came after I liked a bit more text (but still mostly pictures). About a girl who wants to be a knight, but everybody laughs at her and tells her to be a lady-in-waiting. So the court jester gives her his small-sized armor, she secretly practices, and when the time comes and all the knights are far away at a tournament and the prince gets kidnapped by a dragon, she saves him. Except it turns out that the dragon is nice and is just trying to fit in, he doesn't actually want to kidnap princess. Jane teaches him to be himself.
Then came the Enchanted Forest Chronicles, which I know tons of people here have read because I get private messages every now and again with people telling me that they loved those books.
I also liked Winter of Fire, which I think is out of print. Those are chapter books.
I am positive that the two picture books about dragons absolutely made me who I am today. I am obsessed with them. But my parents didn't know that they were, or intend for them to be, feminist books. I just liked dragons and they thought "hell, anything with princess has to be good for a little girl, right?" Oh, how wrong they were.
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I thought it was crappy that Ma did so much work, but Pa seemed to make the decisions for the family. I also thought it was a shame that Laura had to become a Wilder when she married Almanzo, after all she'd been though as an Ingalls. Then I realized that my mother had done the same and that my siblings and I were given my father's name only and I thought that was unfair. Not knowing that it was an option for me to keep my name, I decided that if I couldn't be a boy when I grew up, I wouldn't marry.
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He made the protaganists relevant to my life and instilled the belief in me from a young age that I could and should attempt to conquer anything I desired.
Reading and a supportive dad: a winning combination.
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I must've been a good little feminist... The list almost mirrors the list of my favorite books as a child, especially A Wrinkle in Time.
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So badass.
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And this should include all forms of media.
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btw, i love your icon.
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Just the other day I was listening to someone go on about how the wish to 'save the day and get the girl' is universal. Really? I think 50 percent of the world's population might have something to say about that (that'd be 40 percent straight women and 10 percent gay men). And this was someone who had prepared a speech and thought a lot about the subject, but never once paused to consider that his p.o.v. left women as either getting saved or, if he's feeling generous, 'getting' men.
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My sons aren't avid readers--they're tech nerds--and I am a cinephile, so I select films such as the ALIEN series (Ripley FTW), KILL BILL or the old BUFFY TV series.
It's rather like slipping minced vegetables in the spaghetti sauce or among the pizza toppings. My boys don't know I'm feeding them something that's 'good for them'.
"Little kids aren't really known for their love of abstract concepts. What they are known for: resisting well-intentioned parental indoctrination of all kinds. "
OH SO TRUE! And that is why I am not a Republican math/science nerd despite my parents' indoctrination.
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but to be fair, the biggest influence on me becoming a feminist was simply my mom.
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When I was in 3rd grade, a teacher asked me what i liked to read. I said i liked stories with women. Then she gave me a book about some girl who was strong and rode a horse. It was unbelievably boring. I hated that story, even if the teacher meant well and it was positive. I buried it under a mountain of books about the rainforest in my cubby.
I think sometimes, as adults, we think little girls are taking much more to heart from the media that they actually are. Children think blond Barbie is beautiful because adults in their lives gave them the message that blond Barbie is beautiful, not because Barbie is their doll, and they like their doll. I remember one comment on here that said that Disney taught little girls that older women were villains and useless. While Disney does have a few older women as villains, as a kid, I did not strongly dislike older women because of what I saw in those movies. I had positive older women in my life who provided a good example for me. Kids take messages from the real world a lot more seriously than from pretend world.
Of course we should have more positive representations of all kinds of women in the media, and in children's media, I am not arguing against that, and please don't take my comment that way. I think that this post does hit the nail on the head though -- sometimes little kids just see the boats.
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True!