didn't people used to make a big deal about space missions? like, gathering around the TV to watch launches? i cannot remember the last time i heard anyone make a big deal about a space shuttle launch, let alone have a party. i am bringing it back!
@the.human.sparkler: Oh man, I grew up in Orlando and it was still kind of a big deal. People would drive out towards the cape to see the shuttle, or other rockets, take off. It's actually pretty cool to see. When there were night launches, we could see them from my house - it looked like a giant candle shooting up!
@jgh: You might be thinking about the last bit of news from NASA, which was that the Mars probe had finally run its course. I can't think of any mission failures since the Columbia crashed in 2003; the next shuttle mission, scheduled for later tonight, will bring two new sleeping quarters, a bathroom, and a kitchenette up to the International Space Station. Having said all that, Godspeed to our explorers. :-)
I think I am getting old, and turning into my mother. The more I read about moms doing awesome things, the more I think, "ahh...who would watch my children???" "I can't die! No one will love them like I would."
Sigh...I don't even have kids and I'm on the fast track to mom-martyrdom.
I admire people who have the guts to go into space. I am totally fascinated by space exploration, but I would be too chicken to actually sit in a rocket and have it propel me thousands of miles away from earth.
Space: The realm of struggling cartoons in the 1980's who have already sent their characters to Europe, China, the Jungle, New York City, and The Wild West. And now, the realm of Japanaese moms.
Wait a damn second... whoever said that as first lady, she would have to take the 'demotion' to simply 'Mom?' Why can she not continue to be a successful working woman, simply in an office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, not Chicago?
As a first lady, she is in a highly visible position, and could easily use her office to affect change. And no, I am not talking about Laura Bush's "America Reads" campaign (though I do think in earnest it was and is a hole that needed to be addressed), or Hilary's pathetic "diplomacy" trips.
Michelle Obama is a brilliant, successful woman, and if her husband is as brilliant and as successful as we think he is, he will put his wife to good work in his government. Yes, one could construe this as nepotism - but it is quite clear she has the experience and the smarts. There is also some precedence in other Western governments of spouses having important roles: Cecelia Sarkozy, Sarkozy's second wife (the one he divorced just before meeting Carla), was an integral member of his cabinet when he was minister of the interior.
Wasn't Michelle a Vice President at the University of Chicago Hospital System until last year? I nominate her for Director of Health and Human Resources! She has much more health care management experience than Howard Dean.
I LOVE Michelle Obama, and look to her as a role model of a professional woman who is as smart as her husband, whose career is as advanced as her husband's, and who shares parenting with him. She's a professional AND a wife AND a mother. She seems like a strong and independent person who is a great mom, but isn't defined by motherhood. I find that very admirable and RARE in terms of female role models.
SO, the fact that she's had to be "Momified" to be palatable to the country, and that she's had to give up (hopefully temporarily) her career to support her husband's, is what disappoints me. We have a million "great mom!" role models. I'd like to see a whip-smart woman celebrated for doing something professional for herself.
And.. what about the "father" roles Barack is giving up? This is a man who clearly loves the mess out of his girls. I heard he even cries and whines when he's away from them too long (Newsweek article). Taking his youngest trick-or-treating was a paparazzi-infused ordeal...and that was before he was elected. Bumper cars, walks on the beach... those will now be events peppered with men/women in cheap black suits talking into their sleeves. Good times.
Yeah he "gets" to be POTUS. But he also "gets" to be away all the time, followed by cameras, and let's not forget the death threats.
But whatever. He's Michelle's oppressor. Obviously.
@ceejeemcbeegee: Word. Last night I was reading the passage in The Audacity of Hope in which he talks about coming home to be with the girls while Michelle goes to the hairdresser (and Malia tells him off for trying to shake her friend's hand!), and I just thought: I know he's doing this from a sense of mission and faith and (as he himself has admitted) megalomania, but I can only think that he must be struggling with real sorrow over the loss this will mean to him. Those pictures of him kissing the girls on the way out of the car, on their way to school the other day? I feel like you can all but see him trying to double-hug them, because you know he's about to lose those moments for the next 4-8 years. And then they'll be grown-ups (or all but).
I strongly believe that both Barack and Michelle are highly intelligent and thoughtful people who considered this long and hard before they made any decisions. I'm sure that Michelle knew what the consequences could be, and she made her choices based on what she considered most important and what she thought was best, and she has seemed fairly content with the results so far.
What I'm saying is that I respect her right to choose her path, and I respect her right to speak or not speak about her choice as she sees fit. And I'm not going to make any assumptions about how she feels about those choices and what sacrifices they may or may not have entailed, and what she really wanted and all that. As long as she's happy with herself, and her husband and her family and her life (and she seems well happy), then more power to her. She rocks.
I'm just not getting this. First off, going from mentor to mom isn't a demotion. It's more of a lateral move. A mother IS a mentor.
And I'd hardly say that she's 'put her ambition on the back burner.' Being First Lady of the United States is essentially an informal ambassadorship. She'll be busier than ever, internationally renowned and representing a whole freaking country to the world at large. She will write books. She will start foundations. She will go down in history. And she will raise great kids at the same time.
She is one more in a long line of kick ass American First Ladies, sure to be on par with Abigail Adams, Dolly Madison, Eleanor Roosevelt and Hilary Clinton. Tell me again how this is a bad thing?
@umamimama: I'm sorry, the woman worked her ass off to get to a career she wanted. I don't think writing books and hosting dignitaries figured into her plan.
First Ladies are only remembered because they were married to the President, not because they achieved professional goals independently.
@RainbowBrite: I think writing books and hosting dignitaries figured into her plan as soon as she and her husband decided that he would run for President.
(And since when is writing books not a kickass accomplishment?)
Also, I am really dismayed by the lack of First Lady love in this thread -- it's an important position, people. First Ladies can do so much for their chosen causes.
@RainbowBrite: As the mother of a kid who idolizes Eleanor Roosevelt, I disagree. Decades later, she's still inspiring girls to do great things. My daughter doesn't read Eleanor R. bios and think "Gee, marrying a president and hosting parties sounds fun."
Ditto for Hilary Clinton, who went from lawyer to First Lady to Senator to Presidential candidate. I don't think hosting dignitaries got in the way of her career.
Also, isn't it a little insulting to say that this didn't figure into Michelle's plan, as if she didn't have any say in the matter?
@egg cream: I see a lot of First Lady love in this thread. Mrs. O is going to be an amazing FLOTUS. I hope her authentic voice as an accomplished 21st century woman really carries throughout this world, because this world needs to hear more voices like hers.
@egg cream: I don't understand how First Lady is such an important position. You don't run for it. You just happen to become it when your husband becomes President.
@judgingnora still hates the new comment setup: Sure, we remember individual things about First ladies, whether it is their charity work or their fashion sense, but by definition, the First Lady is known simply because she's the President's wife.
@umamimama: But Hillary Clinton was a professional in her own right before marrying Bill, and we saw how she was treated as First Lady. She actually wanted to keep using her brain and the knowledge/skills she had achieved throughout her career, and she was vilified.
I meant that this didn't fit into Michelle's plan as she was shaping her life through prestigious universities, white-shoe law firms, etc. I'm not suggesting she's like, just blindly following her husband. But from some quotations from Audacity of Hope that are cited in the Salon article, it sounds like being a political spouse didn't really sit well with her, at least initially.
@umamimama: Because First Ladies, all of them, were just someone's wife. That's not actually a job. It's a role, yes, but it's not a job. Which you can tell by way of no one ever describing being a husband and a father as a job. Barack's day job is being President. Why doesn't Michelle get to have one that doesn't revolve around her home? Don't you think she might prefer to have one, given that she's never chosen not to work before?
I don't understand why First Ladies, in this day and age, don't have day jobs. There are three options, the way I see it. 1) The women who have become First Ladies simply prefer not to have/keep their day jobs upon Hub's inauguration. 2) They feel like they can't do the things that a First Lady is expected to do and still work a day job. 3) They can't have a day job because everyone would lose their fucking minds over it, and over the First Lady not living up to the role of Wife In Chief.
I don't know...to me, (1) seems an unlikely coincidence considering some of the women the White House has seen (e.g. Hills). And (2) definitely shades into (3)--why are certain duties expected of the First Lady? Are they actually necessary by any stretch of the imagination?
I like to think that there are some women out there who would keep their day jobs (e.g. Howard Dean's wife, who I think would keep practicing medicine until they dragged her away from her stethoscope, since she largely didn't join him on the campaign trail in '04). But I think that there is something in our culture that prevents these women from doing that.
@Dashrashi: There IS something in our culture that prevents (many) women from making the choice that Mrs. Dr. Dean made. It's deeply ingrained sexism and prejudice and seemingly ironclad (or is is just thick glass?) roles and expectations.
Shirley Chisholm said many times that the sexism she faced was much harder to overcome than the racism she faced.
Interesting and passionate points all around from everyone.
@Dashrashi: It is an interesting question. I think about the Foreign Service and some other professions where historically the wife had a semi-official and important role as a "hostess" and assistant diplomat. I think the First Lady is an official and important role, but based on outdated expectations that the wife won't have her own career.
A lot of thoughts have been bouncing off my head this week: starting with Michelle's arrival at the White House; Sarah Palin cooking in two interviews; and the 2 Salon pieces (Traister and Pagalia).
The White House visit: I fantasized more of Michelle Obama's conversation with Laura Bush than B.Obama's talk with G.Bush. I was more intrigued by the significance of Michelle's red dress as I scrutinized the video and pictures of the four them outside the White House. She stood out and made a statement. However, I got sad thinking the time Michelle would have to spend coordinating dinners, decorating the White House for public consumption, and the other tedious duties. For all I know, she may enjoy doing these things but it all seems so dated and inconsequential.
Sarah Palin's mis-en-scene: I'm not sure what to think of Sarah's TV appearances. If you were to turn the volume off, there is something to say about watching a national female politician moving around in the kitchen cooking while her husband cares for their child. I was struck by how confident she was moving around. However, I immediately thought the following: Would Senator Clinton, House Speaker Pelosi, or First Lady to be Michelle Obama be conducting an interview in the kitchen, cooking? Wouldn't each of them feel "domesticated" being interviewed in the kitchen, like I would? Would the younger generation male politicians conduct interviews in the kitchen--
Barack Obama, Bobby Jindal, Rahm Emmanuel, etc.? To be sure, the choice of the kitchen was a political calculation, and when you have nothing significant to say, whether policy or fact, then you might as well score political points. Still, I found it interesting.
All of this culminated with the Salon pieces. My husband theorizes that to Pagalia, Sarah Palin is an experiment. An experiment devoid of consequences and one for which I find disingenuous. I want to try to give Michelle Obama âspaceâ and try not to read too much of what her role will be in the White House. I say give it a couple of months before we start dissecting her role.
@SchuylerDangler: One of Obama's first interviews after he decided to run was of him in the kitchen making dinner for his family. I understand your point though i'm just saying that he did it. I don't know about Rahm or Jindal
@rumpelshowsskin: Yeah, but it has different implications for both of them. For Palin, it seems in keeping with her, "I'm a politician, but don't worry; I won't step too far out from my place, like that Hillary" shtick. Whereas for Barack, it reads more, "See? I'm a new, different kind of politician. I'm a guy who emphasizes my being a father."
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Go for moms in space, rather than dreamkillers like mine!
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Sigh...I don't even have kids and I'm on the fast track to mom-martyrdom.
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Sorry for skipping to the chorus -- I couldn't help myself. It's just so goshdarn fun to sing!
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Good luck Naoko!
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As a first lady, she is in a highly visible position, and could easily use her office to affect change. And no, I am not talking about Laura Bush's "America Reads" campaign (though I do think in earnest it was and is a hole that needed to be addressed), or Hilary's pathetic "diplomacy" trips.
Michelle Obama is a brilliant, successful woman, and if her husband is as brilliant and as successful as we think he is, he will put his wife to good work in his government. Yes, one could construe this as nepotism - but it is quite clear she has the experience and the smarts. There is also some precedence in other Western governments of spouses having important roles: Cecelia Sarkozy, Sarkozy's second wife (the one he divorced just before meeting Carla), was an integral member of his cabinet when he was minister of the interior.
Wasn't Michelle a Vice President at the University of Chicago Hospital System until last year? I nominate her for Director of Health and Human Resources! She has much more health care management experience than Howard Dean.
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SO, the fact that she's had to be "Momified" to be palatable to the country, and that she's had to give up (hopefully temporarily) her career to support her husband's, is what disappoints me. We have a million "great mom!" role models. I'd like to see a whip-smart woman celebrated for doing something professional for herself.
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Yeah he "gets" to be POTUS. But he also "gets" to be away all the time, followed by cameras, and let's not forget the death threats.
But whatever. He's Michelle's oppressor. Obviously.
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What I'm saying is that I respect her right to choose her path, and I respect her right to speak or not speak about her choice as she sees fit. And I'm not going to make any assumptions about how she feels about those choices and what sacrifices they may or may not have entailed, and what she really wanted and all that. As long as she's happy with herself, and her husband and her family and her life (and she seems well happy), then more power to her. She rocks.
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And I'd hardly say that she's 'put her ambition on the back burner.' Being First Lady of the United States is essentially an informal ambassadorship. She'll be busier than ever, internationally renowned and representing a whole freaking country to the world at large. She will write books. She will start foundations. She will go down in history. And she will raise great kids at the same time.
She is one more in a long line of kick ass American First Ladies, sure to be on par with Abigail Adams, Dolly Madison, Eleanor Roosevelt and Hilary Clinton. Tell me again how this is a bad thing?
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First Ladies are only remembered because they were married to the President, not because they achieved professional goals independently.
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(And since when is writing books not a kickass accomplishment?)
Also, I am really dismayed by the lack of First Lady love in this thread -- it's an important position, people. First Ladies can do so much for their chosen causes.
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Ditto for Hilary Clinton, who went from lawyer to First Lady to Senator to Presidential candidate. I don't think hosting dignitaries got in the way of her career.
Also, isn't it a little insulting to say that this didn't figure into Michelle's plan, as if she didn't have any say in the matter?
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@judgingnora still hates the new comment setup: Sure, we remember individual things about First ladies, whether it is their charity work or their fashion sense, but by definition, the First Lady is known simply because she's the President's wife.
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I meant that this didn't fit into Michelle's plan as she was shaping her life through prestigious universities, white-shoe law firms, etc. I'm not suggesting she's like, just blindly following her husband. But from some quotations from Audacity of Hope that are cited in the Salon article, it sounds like being a political spouse didn't really sit well with her, at least initially.
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I don't understand why First Ladies, in this day and age, don't have day jobs. There are three options, the way I see it. 1) The women who have become First Ladies simply prefer not to have/keep their day jobs upon Hub's inauguration. 2) They feel like they can't do the things that a First Lady is expected to do and still work a day job. 3) They can't have a day job because everyone would lose their fucking minds over it, and over the First Lady not living up to the role of Wife In Chief.
I don't know...to me, (1) seems an unlikely coincidence considering some of the women the White House has seen (e.g. Hills). And (2) definitely shades into (3)--why are certain duties expected of the First Lady? Are they actually necessary by any stretch of the imagination?
I like to think that there are some women out there who would keep their day jobs (e.g. Howard Dean's wife, who I think would keep practicing medicine until they dragged her away from her stethoscope, since she largely didn't join him on the campaign trail in '04). But I think that there is something in our culture that prevents these women from doing that.
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Shirley Chisholm said many times that the sexism she faced was much harder to overcome than the racism she faced.
Interesting and passionate points all around from everyone.
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The White House visit: I fantasized more of Michelle Obama's conversation with Laura Bush than B.Obama's talk with G.Bush. I was more intrigued by the significance of Michelle's red dress as I scrutinized the video and pictures of the four them outside the White House. She stood out and made a statement. However, I got sad thinking the time Michelle would have to spend coordinating dinners, decorating the White House for public consumption, and the other tedious duties. For all I know, she may enjoy doing these things but it all seems so dated and inconsequential.
Sarah Palin's mis-en-scene: I'm not sure what to think of Sarah's TV appearances. If you were to turn the volume off, there is something to say about watching a national female politician moving around in the kitchen cooking while her husband cares for their child. I was struck by how confident she was moving around. However, I immediately thought the following: Would Senator Clinton, House Speaker Pelosi, or First Lady to be Michelle Obama be conducting an interview in the kitchen, cooking? Wouldn't each of them feel "domesticated" being interviewed in the kitchen, like I would? Would the younger generation male politicians conduct interviews in the kitchen--
Barack Obama, Bobby Jindal, Rahm Emmanuel, etc.? To be sure, the choice of the kitchen was a political calculation, and when you have nothing significant to say, whether policy or fact, then you might as well score political points. Still, I found it interesting.
All of this culminated with the Salon pieces. My husband theorizes that to Pagalia, Sarah Palin is an experiment. An experiment devoid of consequences and one for which I find disingenuous. I want to try to give Michelle Obama âspaceâ and try not to read too much of what her role will be in the White House. I say give it a couple of months before we start dissecting her role.
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