That might take over "Bacon is GOOD FOR ME" as my new favorite YouTube quote. (though "She thinks she's the queen and we're the sorry people" is still top 3) #janicedickinsonstarjones
Other than that annoying wedding binge she went on while she was on "The View", I've always been rather fond of Star. Also, Janice didn't no much prove that Rosie was a hypocrite so much as she defined what the word "hypocrite" means in the first place: "someone who says one thing one day and then does something different the next day". Well, thanks Janice, now tell us exactly how Rosie is a hypocrite and you will be right in line with answering the question. Or you can stick with your "fat defense"...you're fat and therefore always wrong. Why oh why do people keep letting her on tv? #janicedickinsonstarjones
This has convinced me that the greatest reality show ever would involve Janice Dickinson and Rosie O'Donnell as roommates.
They both so adamantly don't give a fuck about other people's criticisms about them, and yet are polar opposites. It would be brilliant.
Oh and then there could be challenges like on the Real World. Like Janice would have to work at Lane Bryant and Rosie would have to work at Anthropologie. #janicedickinsonstarjones
Right, just so I'm clear on this: This is the same woman who has agumented, needle-pricked, and tightened every part of her body with the help of a surgeon, right? Yeah, I can assure you that I won't be seeking beauty advice from Janice any time soon. #janicedickinsonstarjones
@Tchotchke: Yes. This is "Everything about me is fake. And I am perfect" lady.
I can't help kind of liking that attitude though. Better than the Sofia Loren approach of denying even botex when you're 70 and are heading towards alien territory from the facelifts. #janicedickinsonstarjones
This show makes me anxious. The background music is the same kind they play on game shows when contestants have to do something before the time's up. What with that and all the shouting and stridency, the crazy jerky camera, and the blonde lady barking beadily at me, it's slightly panic-inducing.
Watching Star Jones and Janice Dickinson duke it out in the middle of that shonky set would have cheered me right up though. I wonder who would have won? #janicedickinsonstarjones
@toastandlove: Nailed it. Thank you.
As much as I love Crystal, it's less a problem with her argument than a problem that she doesn't seem to acknowledge that piece of the issue in the "I'm an icon for inclusive appearances of women" rather than "I'm an icon for inclusive appearances of models" discussion.
If that makes sense. It's a tricky idea, and I think I'm having a little trouble articulating it.
I appreciate her message but "plus" and "straight" sized clothing should be labeled. Plus sized clothes are cut and designed differently from other clothes, getting rid of the plus category would be similar to cutting all sizes out of pants so women don't feel bad about what number size they are.
The sizes aren't the problem, the stigma that comes with the sizes is the problem.
Crystal is beautiful, because she is Crystal Renn. She is drop dead gorgeous.
The problem isn't her, its the industry. A woman who is a normal weight shouldn't be identified as "plus sized". It makes everyone who isn't a size 2 sound like they're fat.
Honestly though, I don't have a problem with the plus sized label, when it is applied to someone who is plus sized. The modeling industry starts plus sized modeling at a size 8. When I was a size 14, I identified as plus sized and my larger friends had a problem with this.
Apparently plus sized is supposed to mean, "I'm so big that I can only shop in special stores where everything looks like a Mu Mu and tops are made out of polyester and pants have elastic waist bands." Or it at least felt that way. However, size 14's and 16's are in a unique predicament where they are on the smaller scale at plus sized stores and therefore it is hard to find clothes that fit and they are on the larger size in other stores, therefore it is hard to find clothes that fit.
This is plus sized? I don't usually have issues about my weight, but I find that to be fairly discouraging. And now I am reminded why I always avoided women's magazines and fashion shoots and the like.
@VirginiaDentata: She's a plus-sized MODEL. As someone pointed out on an earlier thread, plus-sized models are to real plus-sized women as "regular" models are to "regular" women.
I really like Crystal Renn and think she's usually pretty astute, and I generally agree with the sentiment that women's sizes shouldn't matter, however, I think this is a problematic quote. Crystal has chosen a profession where her greatest value is her physical appearance. Of course her size matters.
I think it's fair for women who actually are plus sized to be a little dismayed that Crystal is held up as a fat girl/plus size role model when she doesn't actually wear plus sizes. I don't think it's her job to change that, I just think that when you are a model and you talk a lot about body size and body image, you should be understanding of women who say "Hey, she's actually not plus sized. I wish there was a person who had a body that looks like mine who was considered sexy and beautiful."
@EarlyGrey: Don't you think she and other people in the profession can change that profession? Why keep it as it is if we can change it and maybe thus help the models and those who feel they should aspire to looking like models (becoming models)?
Sorry if I sound like Pollyanna, but I see no reason why the fashion world should be immune to change if the world around it is constantly changing in some ways (even if not always necessarily for the better).
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That might take over "Bacon is GOOD FOR ME" as my new favorite YouTube quote. (though "She thinks she's the queen and we're the sorry people" is still top 3) #janicedickinsonstarjones
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They both so adamantly don't give a fuck about other people's criticisms about them, and yet are polar opposites. It would be brilliant.
Oh and then there could be challenges like on the Real World. Like Janice would have to work at Lane Bryant and Rosie would have to work at Anthropologie. #janicedickinsonstarjones
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I can't help kind of liking that attitude though. Better than the Sofia Loren approach of denying even botex when you're 70 and are heading towards alien territory from the facelifts. #janicedickinsonstarjones
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Watching Star Jones and Janice Dickinson duke it out in the middle of that shonky set would have cheered me right up though. I wonder who would have won? #janicedickinsonstarjones
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As much as I love Crystal, it's less a problem with her argument than a problem that she doesn't seem to acknowledge that piece of the issue in the "I'm an icon for inclusive appearances of women" rather than "I'm an icon for inclusive appearances of models" discussion.
If that makes sense. It's a tricky idea, and I think I'm having a little trouble articulating it.
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The sizes aren't the problem, the stigma that comes with the sizes is the problem.
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The problem isn't her, its the industry. A woman who is a normal weight shouldn't be identified as "plus sized". It makes everyone who isn't a size 2 sound like they're fat.
Honestly though, I don't have a problem with the plus sized label, when it is applied to someone who is plus sized. The modeling industry starts plus sized modeling at a size 8. When I was a size 14, I identified as plus sized and my larger friends had a problem with this.
Apparently plus sized is supposed to mean, "I'm so big that I can only shop in special stores where everything looks like a Mu Mu and tops are made out of polyester and pants have elastic waist bands." Or it at least felt that way. However, size 14's and 16's are in a unique predicament where they are on the smaller scale at plus sized stores and therefore it is hard to find clothes that fit and they are on the larger size in other stores, therefore it is hard to find clothes that fit.
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I think it's fair for women who actually are plus sized to be a little dismayed that Crystal is held up as a fat girl/plus size role model when she doesn't actually wear plus sizes. I don't think it's her job to change that, I just think that when you are a model and you talk a lot about body size and body image, you should be understanding of women who say "Hey, she's actually not plus sized. I wish there was a person who had a body that looks like mine who was considered sexy and beautiful."
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Sorry if I sound like Pollyanna, but I see no reason why the fashion world should be immune to change if the world around it is constantly changing in some ways (even if not always necessarily for the better).
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She "demolishes" the bread, "sets upon" the appetizer" and breaks the creme brulee with a "brisk whack." Isn't eating terrifying?