I don't know, allergies and asthma and all those sorts of things seem to get less respect because they've somehow been perceived as nerd problems. This may be reaching for it, but I've noticed many portrayals of geeks that must include the allergy and asthma combination. Other conditions with such serious consequences (DEATH LOLZ) would not have such a flippant response. Just a thought? I'm not married to it.
I'm six hours too late on this one, but want to comment anyway.
I speak as someone whose allergist is on speed dial. I have a life-threatening allergy, and have to carry an Epipen everywhere I go. I will take an antihistamine everyday for the rest of my life and will use Advair or its equivalent for just as long. I break out in hives almost daily, carry steroid cream in my purse, and am always itchy. I wheeze, cough, and sniffle constantly because my allergies have given me allergic asthma. My eyes are always bloodshot and I have allergic shiners you would not believe. Also, I could literally die just from walking into a room.
What am I so allergic to? Dust. Try avoiding that.
It's easy to say that not every allergic reaction will be a life-threatening one, and this is true. However, let me say that it is not fun to have continuous small reactions. It truly hurts your quality of life. It is difficult to concentrate when a part of your body is covered in breathtakingly itchy welts. It is hard to have a social life when someone's house might send you into an asthma attack or worse because they didn't dust this week --or they had peanut butter cookies after dinner. It is hard to go shopping or on vacation because you don't know if the environment will be hostile to you. You try not to worry constantly because stress makes you more susceptible to allergies, but if you relax your guard too much you put yourself at risk. It is a fine line and you are always walking it. And you always will.
Do I ask the world to change for me or others who have life-threatening allergies? No, but when there is a reasonable opportunity to mitigate true risk to a person's health, it should be taken.
Evacuating the school bus, though? That's just fucked up.
I've got to say that stories of how seriously nut allergy is taken these days leaves me both jealous and relieved.
I was the only kid in my school to have it, back in the mid-80s, and although I didn't die, I did spend an unwarrantable amount of time in the girls room vomiting thanks to all the pb&j sandwiches the other kids routinely had for lunch.
It would have been nice not to have had that experience.
@lostinsainsburys: Likewise. My parents didn't even guess I had food allergies--they thought I was just picky. It's twistedly lucky that my allergies have gotten so much worse over time. If I had been as badly allergic to nuts as a kid as I am now, I probably wouldn't have survived to adulthood.
The frustrating thing now is that there are very few resources for adults with severe allergies. I spent about eight months struggling through the process of getting ADA accommodations. And I'd LOVE to see more pooled information on stuff like which bars keep peanuts out on tables...
@rae_is: "Just picky" - my boy actually is somewhat neo-phobic (which I suspect is because of the first time he tried a peanut product and had his first ever reaction, which, while "mild," was not at all pleasant), which has led some people to ask me if I "don't think" that "maybe" his reactions to peanuts and sesame are "just because" he "doesn't like them."
To which I have tried to very, very calmly say "No. I do not." And oh, by the way, fuck you and the peanut you rode in on. (That last part is said in my head. Because, you know, the children are around).
I think there are several issues being a little muddled here. To be brief:
a) We can agree that helicopter parenting & obsessive protectiveness= bad. That said...
b) ...exposure to free play, fresh air, and germs is NOT the same as exposing kids to foods that they are deathly allergic to. The former makes them tougher, the latter could kill them.
c) Sure, parents of kids with allergies can't dictate what the entire world does, the fact that potentially fatal allergies are now common here in North America means that reasonable measures should be taken here. Like it or not, nuts are effectively a biohazard for a lot of people. It's a little ignorant to be like: "Oh boohoo, I'm standing up for my god-given right to eat nuts in school, you wussies."
d) It may be over-cleanliness in developed countries that cause these allergies, but THAT'S IRRELEVANT TO PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE THEM. "Sucking it up" is not going to prevent my sister from choking to death if she ingests a trace of your PBJ. Let's separate "prevention of more allergies" from "being callous about existing allergies."
My parents were anything but over-protective but my sister developed nut allergies anyway. In fact, my mother's ignorance nearly killed her. Mom (immigrant from a huge Asian city where these allergies are unheard of) fed little sis an almond cake just weeks after she was diagnosed with the allergy, reasoning that "the actual almonds were on the other side of the cake!" Cue my sister's first near-death experience.
@Peripheralvision: I almost killed a guy my freshman year in the dorms. Didn't seem important to tell his favorite down-the-hall hookup that he was allergic to peanuts, and I'd eaten a peanut butter cookie before I went over. Whoopsies. In other news, I can now confidently tell you that I really DO know how to use an epipen correctly!*
*the next summer, while showing someone how to use an epipen as I dropped a babysitting charge off at a friend's house, I demonstrated with the real one, not the needle-free dummy. Thankfully, it's just adrenaline, so I was fine other than a racing heart.
Peanut butter is a low cost source of protein. Banning it from lunchrooms to protect a very small population of children puts a large population of children in a worse off position.
@Little Time Bomb: Yes, but what do you do for the child who's so allergic that being in the same ROOM as a peanut butter sandwich causes a reaction?
I don't agree with banning all nuts from public places, but it is something schools have to deal with. You can't just leave an allergic child in the cafeteria and tell them to deal with it.
@FourInchHeels: Probably have the kid eat lunch in the nurse's office or something. Not super fun for him/her, and definitely isolating, but no different from some of the kids we had with certain illnesses or injuries who spent every gym class in the nurse's office.
@FourInchHeels: Having taught in both private and public school with kids of varying allergy levels the compromise is that children with serious allergies eat in a nut free dining area. In my small private school all young kids then have to wash their hands after lunch and we bleach down the cafeteria. In a bigger public school some kids also need to carry their epi pens with them. Schools have a mandate to do the most good for the most children.
So, I'm allergic to green beans. Which means not eating many vegetarian dishes, if prepared with vegetable stock. I have a food SENSITIVITY to corn (in all forms). Translation: if I eat something w/ corn, my digestive systems howls with outrage. I don't die, but I want to.
Having done marketing for for some of the "top" dermatologists in this country and suffering from acne issues for a good part of my life. They mostly look down on the food related causes for acne.
Instead, I spent lots of money on products, Accutane, laser and blue light treatments to keep it at bay. As soon as I stopped eating gluten, my skin became less oily and the acne cleared up.
I now could go days and days without washing my face and still be sans acne(-;
This sucks. I don't want to get all crazy over the nuts when I'm preggo and when I've had the kid, but the man in my life was pretty severely allergic to nuts and legumes as a kid. But! He forced himself during adolescence to eat tiny amounts of nuts, and now, at 33 he can finally enjoy them. There is hope!
A girl at my school has a nut allergy and she's so uptight about it she'll have a hissy fit if anyone walks within ten feet of her with a peanut butter sandwich. It's not even a serious allergy - they occasionally make her throw up. But the school is considering banning nuts on the entire premesis. It's just scaremongering in most cases - almost anyone with a dangerous allergy has the knowledge and common sense to deal with it themselves.
I will weigh in in this one because I do have a peanut allergic child.I ate tons of peanuts (craved Coca-cola with peanuts) when pregnant with my 9 year old and 3 year old,the three year old is now deathly allergic to peanuts. No idea if one caused the other.
I already am preparing for the fights I will have to have with his future schools over his right to have an education free from the risk of death. I live in fear of the day I will have to jab the epipen in his leg and rush him to the hospital hoping he doesn't stop breathing and DIE because some kid's mom thinks her kids right to a pb&j for lunch trumps my kid's right to live.
We've already had three close calls, all from accidental exposure to minute amounts of peanut crap, once just from touching a fraction of a peanut shell he found on the seat in an airport waiting area. So yeah,even at school,someone wiping their hands on a table or desk after eating peanut products can leave proteins on the table that can KILL my kid. It doesn't even have to be limited to the lunch room. Call me over reactive, but I struggled with 3 years of infertility to bring him into this world, I sure as hell will fight to ban the damn peanuts from his school to keep him alive. Besides,he is cute...who wouldn't want to protect the cute????
OMG, kids might have to eat a baloney sandwich, instead! It's only someone else's life at stake. But, we don't want to teach kids to think about others, apparently. Their own god given right to have a peanut butter sandwich is more important.
Honestly. Does everyone here who's snorting derisively understand that some kids with peanut allergies DIE? Even if it's just one tiny speck? My younger son's preschool doesn't serve peanut products. And you know what? Instead of thinking my little pwecious's right to peanuts were being violated because everyone is just being so unreasonable and overreacting, I understood it, because lives could be at risk. It's not that hard to understand.
@purpleshoes: Both of my kids have what we've taken to calling "mild sensitivities" to peanuts and sesame. They have a mild reaction if either ends up actually in their mouths (my daughter had a little reaction to a JELLY BEAN [!] yesterday that, sure enough, was some nut-flavored thing), and sometimes they get a bit queasy if they smell my PBJ. And I just don't even try to cook with either oil anymore, even if not for their consumption, because the smell is really unpleasant for them.
But if we use the term "allergy," people get really, really nervous, and we know one of those kids who could actually, you know, die, so we try to be respectful of everybody's fears. So, seconding purpleshoes here.
I think that here again, we reach the conclusion that people need to be reasonable. Not to instill mindless fear, but to instill mindful reason. Reasonable-ness has really lost its cache! And that is too bad.
I agree that we are hysterical and I was almost irritated by the policy at my son's school. However, both a student and the teacher's aid have life-threatening nut allergies and a second of thought made me realize that the inconvenience of packing a nut-free snack (they eat these in the classroom) is nothing next to the chilling thought of a child suffering b/c of my laziness. There are nut-free tables in the cafeteria, so the pbj lovers can have their sandwiches there.
Part of the problem with allergies appears to be the low levels of peanut products in our foods. Our bodies see the small amounts of these foreign proteins as invaders. Peanut allergies are rare in cultures where they are eaten often- my house included...PB on crackers, apples, sandwiches, bagels, in our granola... I am getting hungry.
@wheatgerm: Sounds like our kids go to the same school. Nothing in the classroom, and a peanut-free table at lunch seems to me to be a good compromise. Without evacuating an entire bus for one peanut.
And speaking of peanut-y hunger, can I just say how sad I am that I will never be able to make peanut butter cookies with my (mildly allergic) kids? I love peanut butter cookies! Damn kids and their bodies.
I have also read some theories that allergies are developing because of overexposure to certain foods, rather than underexposure. Because of our industrial food culture, processed food always contains some form of wheat, corn, soy, etc. in places where you wouldn't expect it.
I read an article a while back about (maybe by?) a mother whose son was one of these peanut-traces-could-kill him types. And she was all "Look, I don't know how bad you expect me to feel about this. I'm sure it's very inconvenient to have to find a different sandwich filling, but my six-year-old could die, so really..."
I'm sure from an epidemiological standpoint, there are other places we could be directing our time and resources that could benefit more children, but I'm also not sure it's that ridiculously harder to substitute a sandwich filling and give your non-allergic kids their nuts at home.
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01/05/09
I speak as someone whose allergist is on speed dial. I have a life-threatening allergy, and have to carry an Epipen everywhere I go. I will take an antihistamine everyday for the rest of my life and will use Advair or its equivalent for just as long. I break out in hives almost daily, carry steroid cream in my purse, and am always itchy. I wheeze, cough, and sniffle constantly because my allergies have given me allergic asthma. My eyes are always bloodshot and I have allergic shiners you would not believe. Also, I could literally die just from walking into a room.
What am I so allergic to? Dust. Try avoiding that.
It's easy to say that not every allergic reaction will be a life-threatening one, and this is true. However, let me say that it is not fun to have continuous small reactions. It truly hurts your quality of life. It is difficult to concentrate when a part of your body is covered in breathtakingly itchy welts. It is hard to have a social life when someone's house might send you into an asthma attack or worse because they didn't dust this week --or they had peanut butter cookies after dinner. It is hard to go shopping or on vacation because you don't know if the environment will be hostile to you. You try not to worry constantly because stress makes you more susceptible to allergies, but if you relax your guard too much you put yourself at risk. It is a fine line and you are always walking it. And you always will.
Do I ask the world to change for me or others who have life-threatening allergies? No, but when there is a reasonable opportunity to mitigate true risk to a person's health, it should be taken.
Evacuating the school bus, though? That's just fucked up.
01/05/09
I was the only kid in my school to have it, back in the mid-80s, and although I didn't die, I did spend an unwarrantable amount of time in the girls room vomiting thanks to all the pb&j sandwiches the other kids routinely had for lunch.
It would have been nice not to have had that experience.
01/05/09
The frustrating thing now is that there are very few resources for adults with severe allergies. I spent about eight months struggling through the process of getting ADA accommodations. And I'd LOVE to see more pooled information on stuff like which bars keep peanuts out on tables...
01/05/09
To which I have tried to very, very calmly say "No. I do not." And oh, by the way, fuck you and the peanut you rode in on. (That last part is said in my head. Because, you know, the children are around).
01/05/09
01/05/09
a) We can agree that helicopter parenting & obsessive protectiveness= bad. That said...
b) ...exposure to free play, fresh air, and germs is NOT the same as exposing kids to foods that they are deathly allergic to. The former makes them tougher, the latter could kill them.
c) Sure, parents of kids with allergies can't dictate what the entire world does, the fact that potentially fatal allergies are now common here in North America means that reasonable measures should be taken here. Like it or not, nuts are effectively a biohazard for a lot of people. It's a little ignorant to be like: "Oh boohoo, I'm standing up for my god-given right to eat nuts in school, you wussies."
d) It may be over-cleanliness in developed countries that cause these allergies, but THAT'S IRRELEVANT TO PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE THEM. "Sucking it up" is not going to prevent my sister from choking to death if she ingests a trace of your PBJ.
Let's separate "prevention of more allergies" from "being callous about existing allergies."
My parents were anything but over-protective but my sister developed nut allergies anyway. In fact, my mother's ignorance nearly killed her. Mom (immigrant from a huge Asian city where these allergies are unheard of) fed little sis an almond cake just weeks after she was diagnosed with the allergy, reasoning that "the actual almonds were on the other side of the cake!" Cue my sister's first near-death experience.
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01/05/09
*the next summer, while showing someone how to use an epipen as I dropped a babysitting charge off at a friend's house, I demonstrated with the real one, not the needle-free dummy. Thankfully, it's just adrenaline, so I was fine other than a racing heart.
01/05/09
01/05/09
I don't agree with banning all nuts from public places, but it is something schools have to deal with. You can't just leave an allergic child in the cafeteria and tell them to deal with it.
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01/06/09
01/05/09
Hence, the family doesn't eat out often.
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01/05/09
OMG! Going gluten free made me acne free!
Having done marketing for for some of the "top" dermatologists in this country and suffering from acne issues for a good part of my life. They mostly look down on the food related causes for acne.
Instead, I spent lots of money on products, Accutane, laser and blue light treatments to keep it at bay. As soon as I stopped eating gluten, my skin became less oily and the acne cleared up.
I now could go days and days without washing my face and still be sans acne(-;
01/05/09
01/05/09
01/05/09
I already am preparing for the fights I will have to have with his future schools over his right to have an education free from the risk of death. I live in fear of the day I will have to jab the epipen in his leg and rush him to the hospital hoping he doesn't stop breathing and DIE because some kid's mom thinks her kids right to a pb&j for lunch trumps my kid's right to live.
We've already had three close calls, all from accidental exposure to minute amounts of peanut crap, once just from touching a fraction of a peanut shell he found on the seat in an airport waiting area. So yeah,even at school,someone wiping their hands on a table or desk after eating peanut products can leave proteins on the table that can KILL my kid. It doesn't even have to be limited to the lunch room. Call me over reactive, but I struggled with 3 years of infertility to bring him into this world, I sure as hell will fight to ban the damn peanuts from his school to keep him alive. Besides,he is cute...who wouldn't want to protect the cute????
01/05/09
My mother also ate a lot of peanut products while pregnant, and I have an allergy. Perhaps there is a causality.
01/05/09
Honestly. Does everyone here who's snorting derisively understand that some kids with peanut allergies DIE? Even if it's just one tiny speck? My younger son's preschool doesn't serve peanut products. And you know what? Instead of thinking my little pwecious's right to peanuts were being violated because everyone is just being so unreasonable and overreacting, I understood it, because lives could be at risk. It's not that hard to understand.
01/05/09
Hear hear.
01/05/09
But if we use the term "allergy," people get really, really nervous, and we know one of those kids who could actually, you know, die, so we try to be respectful of everybody's fears. So, seconding purpleshoes here.
I think that here again, we reach the conclusion that people need to be reasonable. Not to instill mindless fear, but to instill mindful reason. Reasonable-ness has really lost its cache! And that is too bad.
01/05/09
Part of the problem with allergies appears to be the low levels of peanut products in our foods. Our bodies see the small amounts of these foreign proteins as invaders. Peanut allergies are rare in cultures where they are eaten often- my house included...PB on crackers, apples, sandwiches, bagels, in our granola... I am getting hungry.
01/05/09
And speaking of peanut-y hunger, can I just say how sad I am that I will never be able to make peanut butter cookies with my (mildly allergic) kids? I love peanut butter cookies! Damn kids and their bodies.
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01/05/09
Bahahahahahaha...grade school nuts humor, I still haz it.
01/05/09
I'm sure from an epidemiological standpoint, there are other places we could be directing our time and resources that could benefit more children, but I'm also not sure it's that ridiculously harder to substitute a sandwich filling and give your non-allergic kids their nuts at home.
01/05/09
Completely agree. I mean, peanuts aren't even necessary for a healthy diet so people can just deal and eat something else.