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NewsBunny
11:04 AM

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A) -- GOOD FOR PEGGY! Both for not bowing to the commands of King Don, and telling Roger to get his own fucking coffee.

B) -- Why do I still feel bad for Don? Why? It's okay for him to cheat, but for his wife; it's okay for him to throw his wife across the room, but not for his wife to stand up to him -- I mean, the list goes on and on.

But I want to take him home and have him ravage me and perhaps walk about my home in the morning in nothing but boxer shorts, while his un-Brylcreemed hair flops endearingly around his face.

If my husband acted like Don, I'd use my jab-cross combo and break his nose. #openthread
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Island of Misfit Toys
10:31 AM

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What's up with the name Sterling Cooper. There must be some value to the name recognition in the industry. And now 2 ad agencies have it on their door.

Will the original firm block the new firm from using it (due to copyright issues) or will they want to change their name as the Sterling and Cooper are no longer with them? #openthread
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jigglyball
11:02 AM

@Island of Misfit Toys: Can the original firm use it now that both Sterling and Cooper are gone?

And given that Roger inherited SC, it must be old enough to have an established reputation (and I believe they're known for being more innovative than the "sausage factories" like McCann. #openthread
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Island of Misfit Toys
10:03 AM

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I just want to say that I really love Trudy and Pete together. I think they are one of the few happy couples on that show. Some of the cast and crew have stated that Pete and Trudy are really Don and Betty, just five years behind. I disagree. Trudy is clearly a partner with Pete and they both clearly love each other and work together to make him the best he can be at his job. #openthread
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OneTwoPunch
10:55 AM

@Island of Misfit Toys: Except for his affairs, and that whole "sleeping with Peggy the night before his marriage which resulted in an adopted out child" thing. But yeah, other than that, true love! #openthread
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AndPreciousLittleofThat
10:02 AM

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I can't help but wonder, who's now the big cheese at Sterling Cooper? #openthread
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deeemer
03:41 AM

I don't think I'm going to survive until NEXT YEAR, when Mad Men resumes.

#madmen
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veronykah
03:36 AM

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I find the criticism of Betty's actions with Henry to be interesting. Have none of you chastising her ever had a wretched break up?
Yes as someone outside of her, I can see what she is doing and its probably stupid.
But having gone through a few shitty breakups, if I would have had someone I saw as a knight in shining armor waiting to "save" me etc I would have done the EXACT same thing.
Its called a rebound boyfriend and after being with someone as shitty as Don I would expect nothing less from her or anyone else. #openthread
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rednrowdy
08:37 AM

@veronykah: it's always more than a bit disingenuous when there's a known entity waiting in the wings of a breakup, regardless of the person or the scenario. people can't help but look askance at it. in the season of the show, i can't help but juxtapose all of the sequences in rome vs. them fighting in the bedroom in the season finale. don was also a raging philanderer to be sure, but he wasn't lining up someone to take the place of his wife and henry francis is clearly lining up to take the place of don. i've known people in real life who have done this, both male and female, and regardless of the outcome, it still creeps me out. #openthread
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Island of Misfit Toys
09:53 AM

@veronykah: Except that she fell for the "night in shining armor" act before, with Don. She hasn't learned anything and she's continuing her pattern and that's what I'm angry about. #openthread
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hovy
02:25 AM

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That. That was fucking fierce. And Joan's back! Yay!

Anyone else suspect that Trudy will be working for the new Sterling-Cooper-Draper-Pyrce as a secretary? They're going to need one. (Joan is no secretary. She is the MANAGER of that place.) #openthread
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CherriSpryte
01:01 AM

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My .02, in no apparent order:

1) YAY JOAN!

2) Peggy's anti-coffee-getting was phenomenal.

3) BRING BACK SAL TOO PLZ. I know that since they've still got lucky strike, they can't, but, um, please?

4) I am full of conundrum in regards to Don and Betty. I don't like Betty's character - not how she treats her children, how she acts, or how she makes her decisions. I always want to identify with women on tv, but she comes across as such a spoiled child I can't help but dislike her. I do like that Don tries to be (ok, half-assedly, but still) he tries to be a good father. And I don't have as much of a problem as I probably should with his philandering. I am overly pleased that Don didn't hit Betty during the bedroom scene (and I hate that I was expecting that). I don't want them to get divorced. I think? #openthread
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curiousgeorgiana
01:15 AM

@CherriSpryte: I'm torn on the Don/Betty issue as well. It's annoying.

Henry has bad news written all over him. And Don royally pissed me off. No, he didn't hit her, but grabbing her roughly, shoving her, and calling her a whore still gets an abusive label in my book. And his dismissive, patronizing attitude when she mentioned the lawyer really got me mad (especially the doctor line).

But after the booze wore off, there was hope. Maybe.... do I want them to make it work? We have many months to debate it. #openthread
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pmarble
01:18 AM

@curiousgeorgiana: I find the whole Henry thing just unbelievable, on a show that otherwise always seems to get it right. I also wanted them to stay together, despite all the bad stuff, but I appreciated how at the end it seemed like there was hope for everyone (at least the adults). I'm betting Henry doesn't work out, though. #openthread
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curiousgeorgiana
01:23 AM

@pmarble: I hoping (sickly) that Henry ends badly and leads to Betty having an epiphany. After Don comes to terms with his dick-like behavior, maybe they can reconcile? #openthread
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CherriSpryte
01:29 AM

@curiousgeorgiana: I agree it was abusive - but so is cheating. I was more wondering how abusive he would get - hitting her would have crossed a line for me that would have made his character irredeemable. The fact that he was furious and drunk in the 1960's and didn't actually hit her was what I was pleased by - but I know that's more than a little fucked up, logically.

In terms of him being dismissive and patronizing, I don't think he took her seriously - because up until 2 episodes ago, Betty hasn't been presenting herself as someone to be taken seriously. #openthread
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pmarble
01:30 AM

@curiousgeorgiana: I hope so too, re Henry. But I'd rather see her have an early feminist epiphany and be on her own and okay with it. That woman needs to unfreeze without the aid of a man. #openthread
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yeahisaidit
03:11 AM

@CherriSpryte: I sympathize a lot with Betty because I think how she acts is a direct result of how she's been treated her entire life. Not to mention, years of resentment from being trapped in a loveless trophy marriage that Don + New York State have the power to prevent her from leaving. IMO she's been a much better mother than Don has been a father -- he's never even home most of the time. It's so easy for him to be Cool Dad when he takes no day-to-day responsibility for them. I totally get why Betty would want to take any way out of it, stat. I don't even mind the Henry Francis life preserver because her society won't let her leave Don without the patronage of another man; the lawyer was happy to talk down to her until Henry set him straight. And, I don't see Henry as being a bad egg (yet, anyway). Betty is starved for love and Henry seems willing to give it to her. Plus, I know enough RL scenarios where men have genuinely fallen for with women who had children, formed new families, and adopted the kids as their own. It may be a bubble-gum fantasy but I hope she and Henry work out, and that Don lives the rest of his life as an unapologetic merry bachelor the way he was always meant to. #openthread
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frugal
03:37 AM

@curiousgeorgiana: I have never watched the show before tonight, when the BF wanted to see it !?
I cringe at ANY manhandling of anyone. I can picture the bruises on that arm, but I guess revealing that scene wouldn't be of the period,
sad. #openthread
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nycbaby
04:53 AM

@curiousgeorgiana: Don is a cheating bastard! I always start to side with him and then remember all his infidelity and it makes me so furious and sad...and confused because I agree with you... rough man..This is way more complex than my real life. I can't deal. #openthread
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rednrowdy
08:38 AM

@pmarble: i know a lot of women in real life who need to unfreeze without the aid of a man. #openthread
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Everything MidnightBikeRide does is a balloon.
12:40 AM

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Does this mean we never get to see the inside of that beautiful office again? Awww. #openthread
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frugal
03:43 AM

@Everything MidnightBikeRide does is a balloon.: Maybe the new office will be the work on some amazing mid sixties architect's first opportunity, that coming from a former production designer. #openthread
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KittyKittyCat
12:22 AM

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This was the best episode in a long time. The last two episodes of this season really made it for me. A few thoughts:

1. Joan is the badass of badasses. I bow down to her. I loved how she just took over, she never falters, she knows which questions to ask, where things are, etc. etc. She is self-assured in a way I aspire to be.

2. I was all team Betty before, but honestly after this episode I loathe her. Doesn't she see she's just trading one Don Draper for another!??! Don is finally making an effort, and it just killed me to see what it's doing to the kids. I know Don has been the bad guy for a long, long time but I see so many redeeming qualities in him. She could stay and try to make it work, but instead she is acting like a foolish petulant child.

3. The children. So so so sad. I study the outcomes of divorced children and all of those statistics were running through my head during that scene.

4. Raiding the office was AWESOME! I loved who they chose to take with them, and I really hope there is room for Sal at the new agency. I think they got out with the best and the brightest and it will be a stronger agency for it. Mr. Princeton (can't recall his name) didn't deserve to know, and he got passed up. Should have been working late at night instead of touching yourself!

This episode was just all-around some of the best television I've ever seen. Can't wait to watch and analyze it again. #openthread
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curiousgeorgiana
12:26 AM

@KittyKittyCat: Totally with you except on point number 2. I've yet to hear Don apologize to Betty for any of his crap. And his drunken tirade pretty much showed Betty what he thinks of her. I don't think Betty will be happy with Henry, but both Don and Betty have some self-reflection to do. #openthread
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KittyKittyCat
12:37 AM

@curiousgeorgiana: I feel like his apology is through making an effort. And I sort of agreed with his drunken tirade. That's not going to be a popular choice, but Betty just makes me SO damned mad!

Also, how could I forget Pete and Trudy!??! They can really sync well together when they are trying to climb up the ladder. #openthread
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liz.lemonade
12:41 AM

@curiousgeorgiana: Same here. I'm not necessarily pro-Betty because her fling with the new guy comes off as infatuation that is doomed to failure (and for some reason I'm as bothered by her infidelity as I always was by Don's), but the Draper marriage was over a long time ago. Poor Gene was just the rescue attempt. She and Don will never be able to make it work. Period. He might be able to grow and change at the office, but he will never be a good husband. I just hope that he can learn how to be a good father.
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curiousgeorgiana
12:53 AM

@liz.lemonade: I'm really afraid for Bets. She is in for another round of heartbreak with Henry, I think. #openthread
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louwheeze
12:56 AM

@KittyKittyCat: Someone else already said it but Don needs to tell Betty exactly what he told Peggy. Unfortunately for the kids... I don't see that ever happening.

There were two reasons why Don talked to Peggy the way he did:

She talked to him the same way Don had spoken with Conrad Hilton.

He needed her for the new agency. Peggy has proven herself to be a much better copywriter than Kinsey.

Don will never be able to see himself in Betty's shoes the way he saw Peggy in his shoes. #openthread
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AnnieSaBu
12:59 AM

@curiousgeorgiana: Absolutely. Don is "making an effort"? Nope, it's just time to pay the piper. Betty IS a foolish, petulant child, and that's something Don encourages ("you've had a hard couple of weeks." "take a pill and go to bed." etc.). But Don is unfaithful, dishonest, and, as we saw tonight, abusive. Henry's slick and controlling, but you can't blame Betty for accepting an out. #openthread
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curiousgeorgiana
01:00 AM

@louwheeze: This is a good point. Don has imagination, but he can't put himself in Betty's shoes. #openthread
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pmarble
01:22 AM

@curiousgeorgiana: Wouldn't it be nice if Betty blossomed into a feminist in the season(s) to come? #openthread
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deeemer
03:02 AM

@KittyKittyCat: I don't think he really apologized to Betty at all. I felt that he had better "pitches" and apologies to everyone at work - who all demanded a pound of flesh from Don, btw - than Betty. Don is only willing to put forth effort when the effort it worth it to him. He's obviously cut off Betty long ago. #openthread
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deeemer
03:04 AM

@pmarble: I think that will happen only when Henry Francis proves to her that you can never count on ANY man to "save" you from a situation. #openthread
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sweet tea vodka
12:18 AM

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It was obvious when they were rustling through the paperwork that Roger was going to call Joan,
but did anyone else think that when they said "the art department is locked" it meant they were going to call Sal? I realize he was fired a while ago and wouldn't logically still have a key, but the thought still made me happy for a moment before Don kicked in the door and my Sal dreams were shattered. #openthread
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KittyKittyCat
12:23 AM

@sweet tea vodka: I still think there might be a place for Sal. They need a good artist. I hope there is a place for Sal. #openthread
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CarsonDial
12:24 AM

@KittyKittyCat: I think that because they brought Lucky Strike, they can't bring Sal. #openthread
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lalie (apologetic mess)
12:37 AM

@sweet tea vodka: I was quite literally doing a Sal happy dance (completely with "SalSalSalSal!" out loud) and then he kicked open the door. Sad now. #openthread
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femme-bot
12:40 AM

@sweet tea vodka: I was hoping so much for Sal... #openthread
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KittyKittyCat
12:41 AM

@CarsonDial: Good point! See, this is why I need to discuss this show with other people that watch it! #openthread
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bitingfairy
11/08/09

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@midwestdesigner: No, I missed it. I wonder if there will be drama there.
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midwestdesigner
12:27 AM

@bitingfairy: It seemed really subtle. I could have just been projecting. #openthread
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Maritsa
11/08/09

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I so love that Moneypenny got screwed. "You're a sharp boy, I'm sure you'll figure it out." #openthread
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rumpelshowsskin
11/08/09

@Maritsa: That was my favorite favorite line of the night. I want to put it on a t-shirt. Or tattoo it on my clitoris. #openthread
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midwestdesigner
12:18 AM

@Maritsa: It was very gratifying to know that Pryce wasn't going to take him with him. #openthread
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thecameralovesyou
12:20 AM

@rumpelshowsskin: Your comment made me laugh on, like, 8 different levels. #openthread
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Superrrdupa
12:32 AM

@thecameralovesyou: Same here, there, and everywhere. #openthread
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curiousgeorgiana
11/08/09

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Cry your eyes out. #openthread
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tankearae
12:06 AM

@curiousgeorgiana: Ah, Don. He's a storyteller. It makes sense he loves nostalgia, which is what makes it sad that he's forced to see what he'll never have. #openthread
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katie.scarlett.o'hara
12:08 AM

@curiousgeorgiana: Oh man. It still hurts. #openthread
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curiousgeorgiana
12:15 AM

@tankearae: "To a place where we know we are loved." #openthread
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deeemer
03:10 AM

@curiousgeorgiana: OH MAN. Thanks for making me weep. WHY, DON, WHY?! #openthread
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peacemongermom
11/08/09

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I cheered for the Chip-n-Dip when it appeared in this ep.

This was an awesome, awesome episode. I really hoped that Sal would show up too, but getting Joan back? GENIUS. #openthread
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Eric Northman is mine
11/08/09

@peacemongermom: It did? Where? I thought Pete traded it for the bb gun that he carried out of Sterling Cooper as they moved out. LMAO remembering that stupid chip n dip incident. #openthread
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lookoh
12:01 AM

@Eric Northman is mine: Remember, they got two, that's why he was returning the other one. #openthread
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Maritsa
12:01 AM

@Eric Northman is mine: But remember why he traded it - they had two. #openthread
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peacemongermom
12:07 AM

@Eric Northman is mine: Trudy brought it out when Roger and Don showed up at Pete's place...she was frantically spooning dip into it as Pete was ruffling his hair and putting on his bathrobe. #openthread
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midwestdesigner
12:22 AM

@peacemongermom: This was like The Reunion of Great Props episode! Great catch on the chip-and-dip. I also noticed the gun and the Rothko made the move. And Don's dapper hat, of course. #openthread
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