I was talking about Roman Polanski with my boyfriend and he said something like, "I just don't see what punishing him now will accomplish." UGH. All I could think of was this Dateline I saw (iknow..) where a lady was raped and didn't get the info to prosecute her rapist till after the statute of limitations had run out so he couldn't actually be charged with rape. Even if the original victim doesn't want to go on with a case or even if it happened 30 years ago he needs to suffer some consequence simply for his actions but also as a man that could possibly do it again or could have possibly done it to others we don't know about.
Hey guys hey! I found the 25 dollar Britney lollipops! They are apparently part of the Couture Pop line, which is an accessory as well as a candy (mur?) The Pussycat Dolls have a lollipop too. All their candy is super pricey.
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I'm all for empathy. Trying to understand how Roman Polanski's past may have caused him suffering, appreciating the emotional weight of his films, listening to people who care about him, whatever. But I can't comprehend the endpoint of "well, he shouldn't go to jail". Feeling for someone doesn't mean they shouldn't face the consequences for their actions.
I wish we could treat all criminals with the same sensitivity people are showing Roman, and subject Roman to the same laws as we do criminals. Or as they would be applied in a system without race and class pressures.
@funzette: Seriously. So many people inmates have terrible pasts and have endured great hardships and/or abuse. Most people still advocate throwing them behind bars when they commit crimes (not saying that's the best route just pointing out the double standard).
@SarahMC: you have to love the fundamental attribution error - people LIKE ME do bad things because of poor circumstances, misunderstandings and horrible trauma, but people UNLIKE ME do bad things because they are BAD and should be locked away.
@The HZA. [member of the zombie nation]: I just love Johnny...and am glad that he knows that even I wouldn't go see another Pirates of the Caribbean flick!
so i might be the only one in the world, but i reallllllly liked pirates of the carribean (minus the 2nd one) and was kind of skeptical/excited when they started about making a 4th one. i know there's a good chance it will be crap but it's one of those things where you want a series you like to continue. but without johnny depp? i don't think it would work.
@betterbearockstar: I liked them all. I almost whooped when Elizabeth got elected Pirate King. And the battle scene in the whirpool was ridiculous, epic and awesome. What's not to love? You're right about Johnny though. I'd rather Orlando Bloom was gone.
@Pearls: it is true that bloom's character hasn't been that great but i did actually like what they did with him at the end of the third movie. plus, after the black pearl came back up after the whirlpool with him at the captain? that's the hottest he's looked pretty much all series. and i like that they gave him and elizabeth an imperfect ending - especially considering that it was in the same summer as the ridiculousness that was spiderlame 3.
@betterbearockstar: Agreed on the hottness However, I felt like it wasn't his character, but Orlando himself. Maybe Johnny just makes him look bad. On paper, Jack Sparrow has the making of an incredibly grating character, but Johnny tore it up, making me love Sparrow. Orlando just made me want to send Will off of a plank.
@bookling: i bought the 3rd movie from itunes. i've seriously watched that scene over and over again just to see the hotness anew again. I really try to think critically and scholarly about its sudden appearance.
I refuse to believe Claire Danes is married until she's on the cover of People. People who get married privately must have something to hide (like a deep and enduring love.)
@AndNowForSomethingDifferent: Dude, I dated a guy who looked JUST like Depp, and I have to say part of the reason why I couldn't jump on the "Rourke is soo hideous" train was because I definitely saw my exes/Depps face in him.
@Chicken Noodle: Yeah, I don't really get how this works at all. I thought the whole idea of a trust was to secure money for a child. It's not like I think rich kids somehow deserve some untouchable store room of money that they in on for no damn reason, but she DID lose her father at a very young age, and I certainly think that (plus the instability of her mother) should secure her SOMETHING!
@PrisonBreakShaker: If Kurt died intestate, then the laws of the state of Washington would have dictated how his money and assets (future royalties) were divided, with the bulk of it going to Courtney.
@PrisonBreakShaker: Someone who is responsible for a trust has access to it so that they can ensure that it is in the child's best interest. They can't just bleed the money out, but they can use it to, say, invest to make that child more money (or whatever would be in the best interest of the child).
@Ultraprison!: Yeah... he's already publicly commented that Dick Cook getting let go dampens his enthusiasm for making another.
As far as the films being bad... yeah, the sequels just obviously weren't thought out and probably would have been better to be freestanding episodes rather than some sort of after the fact trilogy story arc. Fairly awful and overlong as well. But I have to say some of the effect work and creature design truly was special and stood out among other blockbuster summers pics. It's a shame they were stuck in such uninspired films though.
If Roman Polanski was just a regular guy with a regular job, people would have demanded that he be arrested and sentenced years ago. And he would have been. Rosemary's Baby and Chinatown are two films I love, but being a great filmmaker shouldn't give you license to sexually abuse anyone, especially a child. He never had to answer for his crime and it's time he did. What is so "sinister" about that?
@queen_caribbean: I've always wondered how people are able to go "Micheal Jackson should go to jail if proved guilty, but he's still a great musician" but can't make that disconnect about Polanski.
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@Lizard in the Wires is on Rails: Because Michael Jackson is black and molested white boys, whereas Polanski is white, and "had sex" with a girl who was asking for it? Maybe I'm paranoid.
But I feel like it's similar to the insane outrage people have for Kanye, who disrespected a white woman, and their complete acceptance of Chris Brown, who beat the everlovin' shit out of a black woman.
I think people view Polanski's and Brown's victim's as "asking for it," and Jackson's and Kanye's as defenseless innocent victims.
Then again, I'm a strident ranty-pants, whaddo I know?
@VirginiaDentata: I don't think you can really draw any conclusions on race based on Jackson or Brown and Polanski .. first of all, the responses that these scandals have caused are anything but monolithic. Its probably not fair to say that the Hollywood/media consensus is that Rihanna deserved it, and that Chris Brown should be forgiven... he's quite clearly struggling to regain his image. Rihanna has definitely won this PR war, imo..
And the differences between the Jackson and Polanski cases go well beyond race, and probably explain the difference in reactions. Polanski committed his crime decades ago, whereas the crimes Jackson allegedly committed occurred just before the trial. Polanski is on top of his career right now, having won an Oscar in the last decade, and as he continues to be one of the most sought after and celebrated directors in the world, whereas Jackson had basically completely disintegrated before the worlds' eyes by the time of the trial -- his greatest achievements far, far behind him. Lets face it, Polanski is much more sympathetic a character than Jackson -- not only because of his extraordinary personal struggle, but because of his continued talent. Not saying any of this excuses the often ridiculous reactions the public has had, but it may help explain them a little?
Perhaps it also has to do with the fact that Polanski is a producer of "high culture", whereas Jackson, Kanye, and Brown are all percieved as producers of "low" or "pop culture" -- their worth more suspicious and their privilege less secure than other media figures.
One caveat -- I seem to remember people arguing just as fervently that Jackson's past personal tragedies must be taken into account when we evaluate his actions -- just as people right now are arguing that we must take into account Polanski's survival of the Holocaust and his wife's murder. Both arguments seem like complete bullshit to me.
@HidingInCanada: Good points, and appreciated. I'd always rather be proven paranoid than proven right, thanks.
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@Haystacks: Entrapped = brought to justice decades after you pled guilty to a crime and then fled the country. Those concepts are basically the same right?
Harvey Weinstein said, "We're calling on every film-maker we can to help fix this terrible situation."
A terrible situation, like drugging and raping a thirteen year old girl and then running away and hiding like a coward for years? News flash Harvey, being an artist and serving your time for a crime you admitted to are not mutually exclusive.
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: total props. If he's as "innocent" as people make him out to be, then why didn't he stay here and face the charges brought against him? Hiding in another country to avoid that is selfish and a practical admission of guilt, regardless of how many Oscars you get nominated for in the process.
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Unless film makers have the ability to travel back in time and stop hm raping that girl, I'm not sure what it is he thinks he's going to do.
@peliroja: Well... I wouldn't defend the guy for his actions, but your argument really doesn't acknowledge the actual reasons he fled and the fact that he DID admit guilt. The running had more to do with the politics of the case itself.
@MyNameIsChris: Right, he was afraid he'd get a disproportionately severe sentence. But last time I checked, being afraid that you'll get a severe sentence does not equal legal grounds to jump bail and flee the country. The guy is not some kind of political refugee fleeing a totalitarian state.
Moreover, what sentence would be disproportionately severe when considered in light of his crime, which was RAPING A CHILD? They put dudes on death row for that in Louisiana, until SCOTUS ruled it was cruel and unusual and therefore unconstitutional (in 2008). I realize that he pled out to essentially statutory rape, and I'm no expert on 1970s sentencing guidelines, and so based on the charge he pled guilty to if a judge had sentenced him to life, he might've been able to demonstrate, through the appeals process, that there was some judicial misconduct, thereby vacating his sentence.
HOWEVER. At that point, his case would've been remanded, and he would've been sentenced again. Maybe he'd have gotten time served. I don't know. But the fact of the matter is that fleeing the fucking country just because you're worried you'll get the max for the lesser crime you pled to in order to avoid the harsher sentences on the books for those charges you managed to avoid - there's no "political" concern that justifies that. It's privileged fuckery, plain and simple.
Khloe and Lamar: See Fred Durst's Twitter account for a glimpse into your future. And I hope when you divorce, the state of California takes away your rights to remarry and gives them to some nice gay couple.
@lalaland13: seriously? you feel that strongly about their marriage? maybe they actually love each other? and maybe your frustration with the ban on gay marriage has nothing to do with khloe kardashian?
@raesanni: The two of them specifically do not concern me. But if the state of California wants to let its people decide who can and can't get married based on a popular vote, I think people on reality TV should concern them more than the gays.
Quite frankly, this whole mess of "E! will pay for your wedding if you get married on this exact date otherwise no dice" really makes me think these people want a free wedding and attention. They may have a great fondness for each other, but after a month it's very hard to know what the bad points in a relationship look like, much less how to weather them.
@lalaland13: But nobody gives a shit about Fred Durst or his soon-to-be ex-wife. Odom and Kardashian are set to to win either way. Whether or not they actually love each other, they stand to make obscene amounts of cash simply through marriage/divorce and the related product placements, Bravo specials, and magazine pictorials.
@Superawesomerad: But then doesn't that call the whole sanctity of marriage argument into question....?
I get what lala is saying - it's bullshit that the state of California will let two marginally famous people marry for the sake of their entertainment careers, but they won't let two gay people marry for the sake of love. And it's even more bullshit that this was ever put up for a popular vote. Governance by referendum can SUCK IT.
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I wish we could treat all criminals with the same sensitivity people are showing Roman, and subject Roman to the same laws as we do criminals. Or as they would be applied in a system without race and class pressures.
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As far as the films being bad... yeah, the sequels just obviously weren't thought out and probably would have been better to be freestanding episodes rather than some sort of after the fact trilogy story arc. Fairly awful and overlong as well. But I have to say some of the effect work and creature design truly was special and stood out among other blockbuster summers pics. It's a shame they were stuck in such uninspired films though.
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But I feel like it's similar to the insane outrage people have for Kanye, who disrespected a white woman, and their complete acceptance of Chris Brown, who beat the everlovin' shit out of a black woman.
I think people view Polanski's and Brown's victim's as "asking for it," and Jackson's and Kanye's as defenseless innocent victims.
Then again, I'm a strident ranty-pants, whaddo I know?
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And the differences between the Jackson and Polanski cases go well beyond race, and probably explain the difference in reactions. Polanski committed his crime decades ago, whereas the crimes Jackson allegedly committed occurred just before the trial. Polanski is on top of his career right now, having won an Oscar in the last decade, and as he continues to be one of the most sought after and celebrated directors in the world, whereas Jackson had basically completely disintegrated before the worlds' eyes by the time of the trial -- his greatest achievements far, far behind him. Lets face it, Polanski is much more sympathetic a character than Jackson -- not only because of his extraordinary personal struggle, but because of his continued talent. Not saying any of this excuses the often ridiculous reactions the public has had, but it may help explain them a little?
Perhaps it also has to do with the fact that Polanski is a producer of "high culture", whereas Jackson, Kanye, and Brown are all percieved as producers of "low" or "pop culture" -- their worth more suspicious and their privilege less secure than other media figures.
One caveat -- I seem to remember people arguing just as fervently that Jackson's past personal tragedies must be taken into account when we evaluate his actions -- just as people right now are arguing that we must take into account Polanski's survival of the Holocaust and his wife's murder. Both arguments seem like complete bullshit to me.
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A terrible situation, like drugging and raping a thirteen year old girl and then running away and hiding like a coward for years? News flash Harvey, being an artist and serving your time for a crime you admitted to are not mutually exclusive.
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Moreover, what sentence would be disproportionately severe when considered in light of his crime, which was RAPING A CHILD? They put dudes on death row for that in Louisiana, until SCOTUS ruled it was cruel and unusual and therefore unconstitutional (in 2008). I realize that he pled out to essentially statutory rape, and I'm no expert on 1970s sentencing guidelines, and so based on the charge he pled guilty to if a judge had sentenced him to life, he might've been able to demonstrate, through the appeals process, that there was some judicial misconduct, thereby vacating his sentence.
HOWEVER. At that point, his case would've been remanded, and he would've been sentenced again. Maybe he'd have gotten time served. I don't know. But the fact of the matter is that fleeing the fucking country just because you're worried you'll get the max for the lesser crime you pled to in order to avoid the harsher sentences on the books for those charges you managed to avoid - there's no "political" concern that justifies that. It's privileged fuckery, plain and simple.
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Quite frankly, this whole mess of "E! will pay for your wedding if you get married on this exact date otherwise no dice" really makes me think these people want a free wedding and attention. They may have a great fondness for each other, but after a month it's very hard to know what the bad points in a relationship look like, much less how to weather them.
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I get what lala is saying - it's bullshit that the state of California will let two marginally famous people marry for the sake of their entertainment careers, but they won't let two gay people marry for the sake of love. And it's even more bullshit that this was ever put up for a popular vote. Governance by referendum can SUCK IT.