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sympathyforthebasementcat
09/29/09

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Why so sexist, government?
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ImproperDancing
09/29/09

@sympathyforthebasementcat: If that doesn't work, you can always show them a magic trick...
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
09/29/09

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"Your mouth is fundamental against the fundamentalists."

Is that right? My Spanish is a little iffy.
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Ailatan
09/29/09

@Zombie Ms. Skittles: ¡muy bien! I would have added an "es" and "contra" in the original Spanish.
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Maulleigh
06/03/09

In reply to The Anti-Bono: Shakira's Crusade For Early Childhood Development
I liked Shakira until she said she wasn't a feminist but....

I hope she changes her mind someday.
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casi nadie (loves MCC forever)
06/03/09

In reply to The Anti-Bono: Shakira's Crusade For Early Childhood Development
Honestly? This makes sense. Before Shakira was repackaged for the United States market (and by that way, that blonde veneer happened because of the backlash against arab-americans. Before the attack on the World Trade Center, her label was planning on playing her up her Lebanese heritage.) her songs were actually quite political - sort of like early Jewel. Sure, since then, she's produced commercial stuff. But that doesn't mean that she doesn't actually care about issues like this.

And furthermore, Latin America is so ignored within the United States that having a hugely popular singer bring attention to it - in a way that isn't reinforcing negative stereotypes, as this doesn't seem to do to me - can only be a good thing.
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casi nadie (loves MCC forever)
06/03/09

@o português é muito sexy de Curly Crown: By "this makes sense" I meant that it makes total sense for Shakira to be working for this issue, btw. I always manage to write incomprehensible beginnings to my comments.
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Cunning_Linguist
06/03/09

In reply to The Anti-Bono: Shakira's Crusade For Early Childhood Development
I don't get it. Is the haterade coming from the fact that she's not focusing on Africa? Because, really, there are plenty of people EVERYWHERE in the world that need help. AND I feel like South America is ignored far too much, so good for her.
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J.D.Regent
06/03/09

@Cunning_Linguist: where are you reading haterade?
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EkaterinaBallerina
06/03/09

In reply to The Anti-Bono: Shakira's Crusade For Early Childhood Development
Just because Bono does large-scale charity work doesn't mean there isn't stuff we don't hear about on a regular basis. I volunteered at an orphanage in the Khayelitsha township outside of Cape Town, South Africa and his and Beyonce Knowles' money was funding the ARV drugs the kids received. I didn't know about it until Rosie, who ran the orphanage, mentioned it once in passing and then showed us the pictures as proof. Neither one of them was running around bragging about it.

Many, many kudos to Shakira for her work. But just because she does it differently doesn't mean she's better. I didn't realize there was a scale when it came to charity.
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lovecake
06/03/09

In reply to The Anti-Bono: Shakira's Crusade For Early Childhood Development
Also of note- Shakira has been known to donate MILLIONS to charity a year. I think just last year alone she donated over 10 million to one charity. She puts her money where her mouth is and that is AWESOME. She has major girl power.
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maybeimamazed02
06/03/09

@lovecake: That's really cool. As someone who works for a nonprofit, I can say that while donating your time and energy is certainly valuable and appreciated, it is money that keeps us functioning.
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morninggloria
06/03/09

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Whenever Boyfriend is crabby, I try to make him laugh with my Shakira impression. It's really good/hilarious/throaty, but now I sort of feel bad for making fun of someone who does a lot more good shit for the world than I do.
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saintbernadette
06/03/09

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When I look at the world and all the fucked up crap happening in it, it's all I can do not to go back to bed.

So, when I see anyone doing anything to try to help, I have a hard time comparing and contrasting their motives and techniques.

Good for all of 'em, I say.
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
06/03/09

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I think this is great. I've always been cautious of Bono's type of philanthropy because it doesn't examine the cause of the debt and poverty. I don't think you can solve the problem unless you look at the causes, too.
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AuntieBee
06/03/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Right. You don't effectively stop a disease by only treating the symptoms.
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kapoosta
06/03/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Yes, exactly. I remember reading an article last year about how US aid to Africa has been hurtful, in a way. Because aid was coming in, people didn't learn how to raise crops or become self-sufficient. Bono's efforts are great, but the results are so temporary. It's pretty depressing.
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jigglyball
06/03/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: I couldn't agree more. There's absolutely nothing wrong with generously donating money to worthy causes, I want to be clear about that. It doesn't begin to address the source of the problem, though, and I commend Shakira for doing her research here.
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CurtCole
06/03/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Still makes a difference though, and it is better than nothing.
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J.D.Regent
06/03/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: it's unclear exactly what Bono has done besides throw concerts and sell red tshirts. And take meetings with Jesse Helms.
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luchita
06/03/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: that said, if you read the article, you see that her charity's board is made up of the heads of the richest families in Latin America. I wonder how much people like Carlos Slim are interested in looking at the causes of poverty in Latin America, since they're pretty heavily invested in maintaining the status quo.
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J.D.Regent
06/03/09

@luchita: rich people need workers! you can always get people to sign up for child-centered charity.
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Lymed
06/03/09

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We wouldn't need early childhood education if women were in the homes like they were supposed to be, taking care of the kids and letting the daddies bring home the money and take their good time learning to love their children.
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sportz.star
06/03/09

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This is certainly admirable of Shakira, and I wish her plan all the success in the world.

However, I don't think her homegrown, home-focused actions are "better" than Bono's or Angelina Jolie's (both of whom I think are poor examples, because it seems both do things off the radar and within small communities as well as big-time promotional-type events). The tone of the article read as though a value judgment were being made on types of charity. For me, if a celebrity wants to spend time, influence and money helping those less fortunate and bringing focus on an issue they think is important, I won't make value judgments on their choices. I may not choose to support them, but that's my call, not theirs.
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J.D.Regent
06/03/09

@sportz.star: it does make a difference; one is rooted in a history of colonialism and aimed gaining allies among other first world upper class people, and one is rooted in development theory and aimed at local policy makers.
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casi nadie (loves MCC forever)
06/03/09

@J.D.Regent: Exactly.
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CurtCole
06/03/09

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Charity is charity. I don't think people should try and compare one celebrity's efforts with another. At the end of the day they all do great work.
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hatepuns
06/03/09

@CurtCole: Agreed. Any celebrity who uses their power for good rather than simply to buy more expensive toys... is good in my book.
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CurtCole
06/03/09

@femibot: Yeah, I have a friend that hates Angelina simply for talking about her charity work. I have to remind her that she is being interviewed and asked about that topic. Same thing with Bono. They do good work, more than people at my level could probably accomplish. End of debate(at least from my end).
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J.D.Regent
06/03/09

@CurtCole: I totally disagree. A lot of charity can be very counter productive. It's nice to have good intentions, but that doesn't remove your responsibility to become educated and do research so that you aren't doing stupid things with your philanthropy. I mean maybe from an individual moral perspective, charity is charity, but in terms of outcomes, they are definitely not all the same. I think this article and the kinds of disctinctions it is making is very welcome. As celebrities become true centers of wealth and develop foundations and projects, they need to have smart people advising them and enough staff for sustainability; we are not talking about you or I writing a fifty dollar check to the nice drug treatment center around the corner or whatever.
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braak
06/03/09

@J.D.Regent: I agree on this score; however, I also want to defend Angelina Jolie as a charitable celebrity. Yes, adopting kids isn't going to save the world, but pouring her money into establishing sustainable villages in Vietnam, for instance, according to the UN's Milennium Village project, is a serious and well-considered contribution.
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BellaTricks
06/03/09

@CurtCole: Right. The fact that a celebrity may become involved with a charity for the wrong reason doesn't negate the fact that it's the right thing to do, or diminish any of the good that it does. However, I also agree with J.D.Regent-- the ideal combination is education plus charitable action/intention. And to maximize the good that they do, celebrities really do have to be informed about their charities- otherwise, I think it tends to look like PR.
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bluebears
06/03/09

@J.D.Regent: agreed. every word.
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maybeimamazed02
06/03/09

@braak: It always seemed to me like Angelina was way more "hands-on" and thoughtful in her charitable work than a lot of celebs. As in, she actually goes to third-world countries because she wants to help, not just for the photo ops.
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CurtCole
06/03/09

@braak: Yeah, I don't understand how all of a sudden it became their jobs to change whole continents. If she adpots children, it does make a difference. It doesn't save the world, but no mere human can do that--even one with pouty lips. She makes a difference where she is able to. I'm not aware of many instances in which philanthropy has started a war or anything major.
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CurtCole
06/03/09

@maybeimamazed02: Agreed, but don't use "thrid-world" on this site, or they will cut you a new one.
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J.D.Regent
06/03/09

@braak: you don't have to defend Angie to me! I am very acquainted with the ins and outs of her work (some of it funds me!) and she is very smart about it for the most part.
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CurtCole
06/03/09

@CurtCole: *third
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citrus buddha
06/03/09

@CurtCole: Philanthropy may not have started wars, but it has in the past funded corrupt politicians, been wasted on dead-end projects that ran out of funding, and been used more to support the the philanthropical organization itself than the people receiving the help. It matters.
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J.D.Regent
06/03/09

@citrus buddha: not to mention contributed to underdevelopment of local economies.
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willwriteforfood
06/03/09

@J.D.Regent: Very good point. And constant scrutiny (although maybe not constant criticism) is needed because it keeps people paying attention to how the money is being used and what the results are. Without it, I can see a celeb thinking that tossing handfuls of money out of a limo to the unwashed is charity.

That said, I think Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt honestly have best interests at heart with their charities. Pitt, for instance, actually goes to the Lower Ninth Ward and helps build the houses he's funding with his foundation, alongside the residents.
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CurtCole
06/03/09

@J.D.Regent: My only point is that it is not a competition, Bono and Angelina do great work in my book, the methods may not always be perfect, but they are better then someone sitting on their ass and eating Skittles.
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J.D.Regent
06/03/09

@CurtCole: I hear you, and I don't think it's about saying "Bono is a bad person" or wahtever, but to say look this person is doing something in a new way, a different way, that would maybe be more effective. It's not about personal moral judgment but the effectiveness of programs, which is absolutely subject to judgment and discernment. Of course I feel that Shakira, Bono, Angie, and myself are all superior to couch sitting Skittles eaters.
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CurtCole
06/03/09

@J.D.Regent: Okay, I get what your saying.
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CurtCole
06/03/09

@CurtCole: *you're, maybe this isn't the day for me to comment.
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LoLoAGoGo
06/03/09

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Shakira, your actions do not lie.
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maneki neko
06/03/09

@LoLoAGoGo: Whenever, wherever, Shakira is being philanthropic.
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sara-without-an-h
06/03/09

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"One Colombian columnist questioned whether Shakira really cared about the affairs of her native country, Colombia: she called Shakira "more Canadian than Colombian."

I hate this kind of comment. It's so reductive.
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Eleanor Ramilly
06/03/09

@sara-without-an-h: Agreed. Totally missing the point.
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SevenNationArmy has truth tourettes
06/03/09

@sara-without-an-h: I more surprised they didn't say anything about her being Lebanese.
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Evie Havok
06/03/09

@SevenNationArmy hates summer: Yeah, would they have mentioned the Italian/Spanish ancestry on her mother's side, too.
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AuntieBee
06/03/09

@sara-without-an-h: I hope something was lost in translation, honestly. Or that the quote comes from a more developed concept within an article, and is really only giving us half of the idea. Because, yeah, reductive. Also, it feels really Mean Girls-y.
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Sorcha
06/03/09

@sara-without-an-h: Who is he/she to criticize. What the hell has this columnist done for his country?

Shakira is trying to bring attention to something important that will ultimately benefit the quality life of many Latin American children, and she's criticized for it!? That makes me so mad.

btw: what's so wrong about being Canadian, eh? :P
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AuntieBee
06/03/09

@Sorcha: Your last point, too. I cut out a big rant from my earlier bit about how I'm not sure what she means. Canadian as in... Canadians don't care about the situation in Columbia (fair enough, probably almost none of them really know about it) or as in Canadians don't care enough about problems in Canada? Or just that Canadians don't CARE ENOUGH ABOUT ANYONE EVER?!?!
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bluebears
06/03/09

@sara-without-an-h: seriously. what does it even mean? its just a way of dismissing her.
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