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tiredfairy
09/25/09

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No, Kirk, atheists have no bible. We're not really all that organized, honestly.

And the reason many kids go to college and come out questioning things they always took for granted is because they went to college. They're exposed to new ideas. Usually the sort fundamentalist, dogmatic religions don't like. Because, you know, it's about asking questions and not taking things at face value. One of the fundamental issue with a lot of "faith" based belief is that it relies on things that are easily called into question with just a little history, context, and exploration.

This is not to say that I have any problem with people who believe in a god. I don't. I'm just tired of atheism being blamed for all the worlds ills. If religious people like Kirk "I don't live in Reality" Cameron didn't insist on views that are so incredibly limited, archaic, and thoughtless, we'd be better off.
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sarrible
09/25/09

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How is it possible that Natalie Coughlin and Shawn Johnson could wear the same dress? Natalie is about a foot taller.
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meloroast
09/25/09

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ugh kirk cameron. you cannot make an 'educated decision' about god. the whole point of faith is that you believe in something that is not proven either way. and that's fine. believe what you want. but let people be EDUCATED at college because THAT IS WHAT IT IS THERE FOR!
ugh.
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gangey
09/25/09

@meloroast: Yes. Perhaps my biggest pet peeve: people of faith trying to PROVE their faith (intelligent design, creationism, etc). If you prove it, it ain't faith anymore, dipshits!
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buymecandy
09/25/09

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um, Atheists have no bible, that's why they are Atheists...duh.
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veronykah
09/25/09

@buymecandy: My thoughts exactly. Why do religious people always talk about atheism in terms of religion.
"Satanists" are atheists!
Um, no if they exist, they believe in something.
Darwin is your bible!
Um, no "we" are not a cohesive group, therefore don't have a bible. There is no book for non-belief Kirk.
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Asmo
09/25/09

@veronykah: Satanists are atheists though. Satanists don't actually believe in satan, despite the name. They don't belive in a deity at all, therefore they're atheists.
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veronykah
09/25/09

@Asmo: If a Satanist was an atheist they would call themselves atheists not Satanists.
If you believe in Satan, you can't be an atheist, its pretty simple.
The basic tenants of Satanism acknowledge Satan, as an atheist I don't acknowledge any sort of "spiritual being" good or evil.
In my mind, its all B.S,

Check out the website for the official Church of Satan for PLENTY more info on the RELIGION of Satanism.

[www.churchofsatan.com]
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zegota
09/26/09

@veronykah: Not really. The Church of Satan respects Satan as a character (which, if you read Paradise Lost, how can you not?). But they are made up of atheists and agnostics who don't believe in him as a real being.

Of course, there are many different sects who call themselves Satanists, and some of them may actually believe in the Christian mythos.
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veronykah
09/26/09

@zegota: Ok, point taken. Interesting...
However, as a "devout" atheist I tend to be on the side of the fence that doesn't want satanists associated with atheism.
We already have enough issues getting people to understand you can be a moral and upstanding citizen and not believe in god, without getting the added distinction of being in league with the anti-christs themselves (!) satanists!
There are also buddhists that only believe in the teachings of buddha and not him as a spiritual being too right?
I never hear them being called atheists.
I think that if you believe in a doctrine, you have a religion. Whether or not that involves a spiritual being or not.
As an atheist, I don't follow any doctrine.
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Mrs. Stephen Fry
09/25/09

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Kirk Cameron, you are nuts. Please stop talking. You and your ilk are both irritating and pathetic.
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palebluepixie
09/25/09

@Mrs. Stephen Fry: It's funny that he has it so wrong. People who understand and accept evolution do not have a "bible." They know that anything science-based changes as new things are discovered. So to pick one book and trash it, well, it just plain isn't effective, is it?
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L'Adelina
09/25/09

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It kinda makes me sad that Emma Thompson is identified as "Harry Potter actor, Emma Thompson" instead of "Academy Award winning writer and actor and all around awesome person who you totally want to be your best friend, Emma Thompson."

Also, she keeps her Oscars in the guest bathroom, so that you can pick them up and pretend to accept them while looking in the mirror, and not be embarrassed by having to ask. How awesome is that?
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formergr
09/25/09

@L'Adelina: That is so, so great!
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PaintedTrollop
09/25/09

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I love Emma Thompson, even dressed as a Morris Dancer - and her husband is HOT!
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SunburnedCounsel
09/25/09

@PaintedTrollop: Willoughby!
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dirtybee
09/25/09

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Edward Norton will play The Hulk in the Avengers movie.

This just made my fucking weekend! :-)
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Diziet_Sma
09/25/09

@dirtybee: Really? My first thought was, Wow. When is he going to do something challenging/interesting/good again?
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heykoukla
09/25/09

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If there really is a God, then Richard Dawkins will be cast as the new Mike Seaver in any remake of Growing Pains.
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NefariousNewt
09/25/09

@heykoukla: If there is a God, then he should shut Kirk Cameron up.
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PaintedTrollop
09/25/09

@NefariousNewt a.k.a. General Awesomesauce: Amen. Bring on the Rapture - I can't wait to be left behind.
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KLondike5
09/25/09

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What I hope Nicole said to the barista:

"Tom who?"
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leukothea
09/25/09

@KLondike5: "Is he the short one with the alien fetish?"
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Sev
09/25/09

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"Atheism has been on the rise for years now, and the Bible of the atheists is [Darwin's] The Origin of Species."...wow. Just wow. I've never seen so much horse shit packed into such a small space before. I mean, I thought Glenn Beck was good but you, Mr. Cameron, YOU take the cake.
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jebash
09/25/09

@Sev: You should read the rest of the article - it's batshit crazy. Apparently, Darwin is also responsible for the Holocaust.

I bet Sarah Palin is somewhere cheering him on.
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Laulau
09/25/09

@jebash: Ben Steind defended that same claim in his documentary. It's in horribly poor taste (besides just utterly false) for anyone to say, but I was so offended that a Jew would say that.
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NefariousNewt
09/25/09

@Sev: He and Beck and Limbaugh should start a travelling road show, or better yet, get a stage in Branson.
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boxingoctopus should be dissertating
09/25/09

@Sev: All those years I spent being all googly-eyed over Kirk Cameron ... ugh, I feel so dirty now.
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jebash
09/25/09

@Laulau: Ugh, are you kidding? I've always liked Ben Stein. Wow, first Kirk Cameron, now Ferris's principal.

What is wrong with these people? Why is science so scary for them? It just baffles me.
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ElleL
09/25/09

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When I read about Holly getting her own show, I was actually pretty excited. I always found her to be very down to earth (I know, I know) and she seemed to genuinely care for Hef.

I saw her Peepshow in Vegas over the summer and it was awesome.
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whats_in_a_name
09/25/09

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Sorry Kirk, been an atheist for as long as I can remember, back before college even, and other than the little bits and pieces I saw of it in biology and history classes I've never read The Origin of Species. Must mean I'm a non-practicing atheist or something.
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Hooplehead
09/25/09

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McKenzie Philips has had a long, tough road. And I am loathe to criticize whatever part of her healing process is being served by giving interview after interview that reads like eavesdropping on someone's therapy sessions. But it would be nice to read something about her that does not involve rape or exploitative sex with way older men. I really hope she has been able to make a life for herself that involves happier things.

Kirk Cameron, atheists don't have Bibles. That's kind of the point. And sorry that having an educated populace is making it difficult to get them to do your church's bidding. No wait, I'm actually not.

I'm having a hard time even coming up with an RIP for Susan Atkins.

Clive Owen, that is the same canned story you were telling the last time you had a movie to promote, and I still love hearing it.
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checkyaself
09/25/09

@Hooplehead: What makes you think the sex she had with Mick was exploitive? She said she wanted him, so what is the problem? I hate that anytime a woman who has been abused has sex (with an older man) it is considered bad somehow, as if she will not be able to ever enjoy sex again until she receives extensive therapy.
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SunburnedCounsel
09/25/09

@checkyaself: I'm going to go out on a limb and say there is a definite "ick" factor from him reportedly saying "I've been waiting for this since you were 10 years old". That's pretty problematic.
And she was 18, it wasn't as though she is talking about her sex-life now, after recovery and hopefully a tonne of therapy.
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Hooplehead
09/25/09

@SunburnedCounsel: Yes, that's what I was thinking. That quote was bizarre. Also, the way I heard the story, Mick locked her in the kitchen and they had sex while her dad was banging on the door. It grossed me out before I knew her dad was an abuser, it is disgusting to me now. She just doesn't seem to have had any male in her early life who was there for her in a non-skeevy way.
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AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
09/25/09

In reply to Gerard's Not With Jen; Mackenzie Slept With Mick
also, may I add that the above photo of Mr. Butler is the goofiest picture I've ever seen of him (or possibly anyone who is not Jerry Lewis) and it totally fascinates me, and not in a "oh he's so sexy" kind of way.
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