Among the many reasons this SUCKS, is the fact that this employer -- in fact, nearly all employers, in a way -- can justify their shitty behavior on the lack of jobs due to the recession. Don't want to change a diaper? Well, at least you have a job, so stop complaining!
I work for a small business, so every time my boss asks me to do something like this, he can justify it similarly . One time he had me abandon my work responsibilities to attend Grandparents Day at his daughters school. I was 25 years old at the time.
The other thing that comes into play -- I think, if someone can prove me otherwise, then fine -- is the age factor. Would I be asked to go to Grandparents Day if I wasn't so young when that happened? Similarly, aren't legal assistants fresh out of law school aka in their 20s? Older employers might abuse younger employees, just because they can. Yes, I know people can stick up for themselves. But it's hard to sometimes when it might be implied that your job is on the line. #legalassistantnanny
@Mary McCarthyite: Well, "legal assistants out of law school" should be attorneys, although exact job title can vary until you pass the bar. Unfortunately supply is greater than demand in the legal field, which is why you get great job ads like this. #legalassistantnanny
Hahahaha... as if my profession couldn't get any more depressing. Instead of just being a lawyer's bitch, you must also change diapers and be on the beckon call of an infant. BLOW ME! #legalassistantnanny
@T_Bee: Look at it this way: Changing a baby's diapers prepares you for dealing with large amounts of shit, which streams forth from partners' mouths with regularity. Dealing with a cranky infant prepares you to soothe the egos and handle the ire of asshole partners. #legalassistantnanny
I know people that nannied in law school, though not at my school. But those postings were at the student union or whatever, not through career services! #legalassistantnanny
@Maritsa: There are some great jobs on SitterCity that would work well with a law school schedule. But there are some epically hilarious listings too. One mother wanted someone who would work from 8pm-6am every weeknight to bottle feed her infant twins when they woke up. It paid $100 a week. #legalassistantnanny
@femme-bot: Seriously, it boggles my mind that anyone would expect someone to take on a job like that for so very little. I think it means they care very little for their "help," but to me it just seems like they don't care too much about their kids either!
The thing that kills me is that there are actually tons of amazing jobs posted too. Many are fairly flexible and pay $12-25 an hour with reasonable requests and expectations. I understand some people don't have those resources, but sometimes it is as simple as realizing that if you can only pay someone $6 an hour, you're looking for a 14-year old, not someone who is bilingual with a master's degree in early childhood education. Because as far as I can tell, while the legal market might be shitty, at least in LA there is plenty of demand for nannies and babysitters. #legalassistantnanny
When I was in law school I had a job as a law clerk for a solo practitioner who worked from home. They had a full-time nanny, but after she left sometimes I would babysit for an hour or two (as a separate job, paid differently and independently from the clerk job). It wasn't problematic in the sense that it became part of my clerk job to be a babysitter, but it did get weird when she started to assume I was always free to babysit after work, not asking until the last minute (and at least once just assuming instead of asking). It felt awkward to have to say that I had other things to do or wasn't available, because I'd be back at work with her the next day and it felt like I was putting her out.
Seeing how easy it was for the lines to blur even when she was making an effort to keep things separate (paid cash rather than in my paystub, no babysitting during working hours, etc.), I decided that very clear boundaries at work were the way to go for me in the future. I am not the one who volunteers to pick things up for the boss. As a young woman it's bad enough that people can assign you that role in their head; I'm not assuming it for myself. #legalassistantnanny
@yvanehtnioj: So much word to your last point. We had birthday cake today and it was a bunch of assistants (including the one who ordered the cake and sent out the email saying it was time for cake), me, and some male associates. One of the male associates asked me to cut the cake, I said no.
I already have all the partners coming to ask me how to use the scanner, etc., I'm not taking on any more assistant type jobs. I know most of them view anything with tits as their servant. #legalassistantnanny
@Maritsa: Since you're sending a fax anyway, would you mind...?
Yes I mind. I absolutely mind. Especially when we bill out at the same rate. Our time is EQUALLY valuable, and I am not your secretary. Gah. #legalassistantnanny
@yvanehtnioj: Can you print this out for me? Although I will expound on my own genius for hours, somehow I just can't seem to handle hitting "Ctrl" and "P" at the same time!
And my personal favorite, when "my" partner (who hasn't given me work since I got back from maternity leave, BTW) called me from his desk across the hall to ask me "how do you google something." #legalassistantnanny
@yvanehtnioj: "If we had a male legal assistant, we would ask him to clean the mugs too."
At the time my thoughts were- "Right, but you wouldn't hire a male legal assistant, it would be awkward for you, because then you'd have to ask a guy to wash your mug and clean your office."
A year later when I visited the other female legal assistant I worked with -- who was now a law student clerking for the summer -- she was the one who cleaned the mugs and answered the phone after the 9-5 administrative assistants left. This was despite the fact that the other summer clerk was a male student, and my friend had seniority. So, no, they wouldn't in fact ask a male assistant to clean the mugs. #legalassistantnanny
@Maritsa: Once I had to put together a meeting with like 12 attorneys, and rather than send a series of 15 emails to each person trying to find out what day/time worked best (since no one responds to an email addressed to more than one person), I sent around a doodle poll. I worked up a chipper, encouraging two-sentence intro about how it was really very simple, don't be afraid of the new technology, har har har.
@GoldenRatioφ (aka -girl11): But if you point that out, you're just the crazy person who is so NOT a team player that she can't get over being made to do a tiny chore a year ago.
Yeesh, get over it! Feminists are so uptight about the stupidest little things. Why don't you spend your time on fighting important issues, like rape, and pay disparity, and FGM?! #legalassistantnanny
@yvanehtnioj: Or, printing out all a partner's email, and giving him the hardcopies, because he can't figure out how to use email -- other than to send and receive porn of course. #legalassistantnanny
@yvanehtnioj: God knows you can't even bring up MAJOR shit like, say, not being put on a trial because you have an infant (happened to me), let alone the fact that you are casually treated like less-than because you are a woman.
@Maritsa: You can always quit and join me in the ranks of the lawyer hobos! Fair warning: it's hard to find a different job. Boo firms. Boo recession. #legalassistantnanny
@yvanehtnioj: Unfortunately I am the sole breadwinner since my husband was laid off and now stays home with our son. My plan is to have another baby then move and leave this firm, hopefully with another job lined up so I can tell them what I think of how they treat women. #legalassistantnanny
@seejanerun: Ahahahaha. Sounds about right. I'd say 90% of them can't do anything for themselves. Their wives do everything at home, their secretaries do everything at work. #legalassistantnanny
I wonder how much of this is specific to women in secretary/assistant roles, and how much is just reflective of the degree to which asshole higher-ups will dump on those below them in the hierarchy. I worked for a woman who would frequently dispatch me to her home to do such things as make her son lunch (he was my age), and supervise the cleaning of her gutters. Her explanation of this behaviour? "In case you haven't noticed, you work for me." My job title? "Microbiologist." #secretaries
@KikiCanuck: I don't want to be pessimistic about this, but from what I have witnessed at a lot of companies, this also has to do with being a woman below say, 35. Whether you have a master in nuclear fusion or you are the fastest typing secretary in Gaborone, there is always going to be some boss out there to figure it's OK to ask you to clean the rain gutter.
I even remember a boss apologizing to a male employee who brought him coffee because his female counterpart was not at her desk at the moment of the request. FML #secretaries
@notheretomakefriends, @RudyWaltz: Those stories kill me... so shitty! I think you're both right. It never occured to me that my secondary job functions as lunch-maker and gutter expert were because I was a young woman, because my boss was also a woman. Now that I think about it, though, my male colleagues weren't subjected to that kind of crap. Makes me wish I could quit that job again. #secretaries
An industry contact once got annoyed with me when I wouldn't give him some confidential information in the middle of a meeting with several other industry contacts and faculty members. He told me that he "didn't know what they'd taught me in secretary school," but he expected me to give him information when he asked for it.
I have a bachelor's degree from UC Santa Cruz. One of the faculty members in the room also matriculated at UCSC. He turned to the contact and said, in the iciest tone possible, "I don't recall attending secretarial school." I could have kissed him.
It took the contact a few seconds to figure it out. #secretaries
I used to get that a lot in tech support. "Listen young lady, this is very important, I have a COLLEGE DEGREE and you will fix my computer right now!" "Oh, really? I have a master's. Let's talk." #secretaries
This might sound like a stupid question, but the only thing I really know about the job market in America is from those 'you're fired' montages in American films, where someone tries a million different jobs only to be fired from them all... and I always wondered... is that actually allowed in the US? 'Cos in England you really can't just fire people, otherwise they can easily sue for unfair dismissal. (I'm sorry this is such a dumb question!) #secretaries
@aimeeg: Unlike in the UK, many states are "at will" states, where an employer is free to fire you for any reason they choose, other than discrimination based on age, gender, race, or disability (someone correct me if this isn't quite accurate).
My mother works for a U.S. law firm and is now in their UK office, and she has definitely talked about how much more complicated it is to fire someone there, and the long process needed to make someone "redundant", etc. #secretaries
@formergr: A quick google turned up this [www.uklaw24.co.uk] regarding dismissal in the UK... I think it's quite hard to sack someone here. I think it's awful but the way that so many commenters have been asked to do such completely inappropriate things for arrogant bosses. I feel your rage! #secretaries
@aimeeg: I don't think the UK system is *better* by the way. It's good for employees, but it makes it a lot more difficult to sack an employee who hasn't done anything specifically wrong but is simply really bad at their job. That's pretty bad for employees too, actually, because they're then forced to pick up after the slack employee. #secretaries
@aimeeg: Exactly, I've now heard enough stories from my mother and experienced the other side of it here, that I'm convinced only an impossible-to-attain middle ground would be ideal. #secretaries
I once worked for someone who didn't have any boundaries. I volunteered on a suicide hotline on the weekends, and she once called the suicide hotline because she knew I would be there (not thinking about the fact that she was taking up space for, you know, suicidal people). Her question? "Does this sentence need a comma or a semi-colon?"
Ooooh, ooh pick me! I had to learn how to forge my bosses handwriting so that I could write personal message in all 100+ Christmas cards that I had to send out. I should have written something totally inappropriate in all of them. Also, I had to pick up her son from school when he had pink eye so that she could cheat on her husband in a town 80 miles away. I will NEVER work for a lawyer again. #secretaries
Okay, there are far too many good (or bad) stories on here. I was an "executive legal assistant" for a major partner at a big corporate law firm. Every stereotype in your head?? Confirmed.
Worst thing he ever asked me to do? Lie to his wife about the woman he had been having an affair with for 9 years. Worst experience: having to take a cab to the airport to give the "other woman" her passport when she'd left it in his bag from their last trip together. AWKWARD and humiliating. #secretaries
@curiousgeorgiana: about 8 years ago, when I was a secretary, I learned invaluable skills: dealing with the 60yo CEO's wife, his back-burner mistresses, the main mistress, the soon-to-be mistress, and the one the boss did not want to see anymore, who would cry to me about it and then proceed to insinuate that I might have replaced her... (shudder) Unfortunately I can't put any of that in a CV, but I still makes for a killer dinner party anecdote. #secretaries
@notheretomakefriends: Great dinner party stories. Oh yeah, bosses daughter was my age and totally had hunches. She would cry in tears, begging for me to tell her the truth. I literally had to close my eyes and just keep repeating: I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about.
Former Bosses: Don't put people in the middle of your crap. You're having an affair. If you can't keep them all straight, you're obviously not meant to have multiple partners at the same time. Survival of the fittest. #secretaries
So here's my life. I'm a corporate librarian (known by another title, because "librarian" apparently makes all corporate types think of the stereotype, who couldn't possibly be of use in a corporate environment. But I digress) in a small consulting firm based in London. We have about 50 consultants spread across three locations, including four in the NY office, where I work. In New York we also have 1) no manager, and 2) an office manager who works remotely, because she doesn't want to commute from Connecticut.
So you know who ends up picking up all the slack, don't you? If you guessed the Terribly Important Consultants, well, you'd be wrong. #secretaries
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I work for a small business, so every time my boss asks me to do something like this, he can justify it similarly . One time he had me abandon my work responsibilities to attend Grandparents Day at his daughters school. I was 25 years old at the time.
The other thing that comes into play -- I think, if someone can prove me otherwise, then fine -- is the age factor. Would I be asked to go to Grandparents Day if I wasn't so young when that happened? Similarly, aren't legal assistants fresh out of law school aka in their 20s? Older employers might abuse younger employees, just because they can. Yes, I know people can stick up for themselves. But it's hard to sometimes when it might be implied that your job is on the line. #legalassistantnanny
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The thing that kills me is that there are actually tons of amazing jobs posted too. Many are fairly flexible and pay $12-25 an hour with reasonable requests and expectations. I understand some people don't have those resources, but sometimes it is as simple as realizing that if you can only pay someone $6 an hour, you're looking for a 14-year old, not someone who is bilingual with a master's degree in early childhood education. Because as far as I can tell, while the legal market might be shitty, at least in LA there is plenty of demand for nannies and babysitters. #legalassistantnanny
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Seeing how easy it was for the lines to blur even when she was making an effort to keep things separate (paid cash rather than in my paystub, no babysitting during working hours, etc.), I decided that very clear boundaries at work were the way to go for me in the future. I am not the one who volunteers to pick things up for the boss. As a young woman it's bad enough that people can assign you that role in their head; I'm not assuming it for myself. #legalassistantnanny
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I already have all the partners coming to ask me how to use the scanner, etc., I'm not taking on any more assistant type jobs. I know most of them view anything with tits as their servant. #legalassistantnanny
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Yes I mind. I absolutely mind. Especially when we bill out at the same rate. Our time is EQUALLY valuable, and I am not your secretary. Gah. #legalassistantnanny
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And my personal favorite, when "my" partner (who hasn't given me work since I got back from maternity leave, BTW) called me from his desk across the hall to ask me "how do you google something." #legalassistantnanny
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At the time my thoughts were- "Right, but you wouldn't hire a male legal assistant, it would be awkward for you, because then you'd have to ask a guy to wash your mug and clean your office."
A year later when I visited the other female legal assistant I worked with -- who was now a law student clerking for the summer -- she was the one who cleaned the mugs and answered the phone after the 9-5 administrative assistants left. This was despite the fact that the other summer clerk was a male student, and my friend had seniority. So, no, they wouldn't in fact ask a male assistant to clean the mugs. #legalassistantnanny
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None of the male partners even followed the fucking link. #legalassistantnanny
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Yeesh, get over it! Feminists are so uptight about the stupidest little things. Why don't you spend your time on fighting important issues, like rape, and pay disparity, and FGM?! #legalassistantnanny
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I even remember a boss apologizing to a male employee who brought him coffee because his female counterpart was not at her desk at the moment of the request. FML #secretaries
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I have a bachelor's degree from UC Santa Cruz. One of the faculty members in the room also matriculated at UCSC. He turned to the contact and said, in the iciest tone possible, "I don't recall attending secretarial school." I could have kissed him.
It took the contact a few seconds to figure it out. #secretaries
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I used to get that a lot in tech support. "Listen young lady, this is very important, I have a COLLEGE DEGREE and you will fix my computer right now!" "Oh, really? I have a master's. Let's talk." #secretaries
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My mother works for a U.S. law firm and is now in their UK office, and she has definitely talked about how much more complicated it is to fire someone there, and the long process needed to make someone "redundant", etc. #secretaries
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I wish that was a fake story. #secretaries
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Worst thing he ever asked me to do? Lie to his wife about the woman he had been having an affair with for 9 years. Worst experience: having to take a cab to the airport to give the "other woman" her passport when she'd left it in his bag from their last trip together. AWKWARD and humiliating. #secretaries
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Former Bosses: Don't put people in the middle of your crap. You're having an affair. If you can't keep them all straight, you're obviously not meant to have multiple partners at the same time. Survival of the fittest. #secretaries
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So you know who ends up picking up all the slack, don't you? If you guessed the Terribly Important Consultants, well, you'd be wrong. #secretaries