I just realized that Mark Sanford must be an alien. Who wipes tears away from their eyes like that? Unless they're some sort of special "cheating on my wife was a lot of fun but this is super hard" tears. I'm guessing the latter. #cheating
I think Dan Savage said it best in one of his columns: polyamorous relationships are cool, as long as you tell your partner right away. If you're three years into marriage and decide monogamy's "not your fate," well, guess what, you're a douche.
I've been trying soooo hard to not believe Stanley Fish's NYT story on women being more prone to go after mated men than men are to go after mated women, but this story has rendered those efforts pointless. Thanks a lot VF for not only proving these women exists, but for paying one of them to give some woman's husband jerk off fodder.
I know that there are people who are perhaps more amorous than others. And if you can't find satisfaction with one person, and your partner agrees to an open relationship, it's cool.
But I will never agree to one and am willing to wait around for someone who is like-minded. I've been cheated on, and if it happens again, I will see to it that the next time dude takes a piss, his dick will go off like a sprinkler head. Such fucking as.
I hate it when people use fate as an excuse. "It's not my fate to be monogamous." Yeah, as though you have no autonomy or free will. I swear, the only people who claim destiny while doing something are those who are doing something shitty and are too lazy to take personal responsibility for it. It's not your destiny to cheat, or kill someone, or be an all-around jerkface. It's your choice.
"...I can't say with certainty that I'll be 100 percent faithful-not because I don't want to be, but because it seems presumptuous to assume that strict monogamy is my fate when the majority of people who attempt it fail"
Dude, you can cheat on your partner, and that's fine (so long as I am not your partner), but do not pretend like the cheating was handed down to you from on high, or like it was totally out of your hands. On the path of monogamy, you made many, many wrong turns, and you did them on purpose. Don't absolve yourself of responsibility by acting like your relationship was an experiment that failed due to circumstances outside of your control. (And I use "you" in the general sense, not specifically toward this writer.)
I won't call you evil, but I will think you really low class if you act like you had no part in your own affair.
@Scoithniamh: Or she could, ya know, just tell the potential mate up front that she'd like to have an open or polyamorous relationship. No need to actually cheat, and act like it's your destiny to be an asshole. I mean, she did say that 2/3 of the men she "interviewed" actually told their wives they were doing this, yet she still uses "not-monogamous" and "cheater" interchangeably. Maybe because deep down she really doubts that these men are quite as open with their wives as they claim to be, or at least that their wives were more "told" that the men were having affairs, and not so much asked.
I had the privilege of studying with a beloved Czech author. He was a fantastic man, but we went round in circles over his views on infidelity. He said, "Sex is neither moral or immoral, it's biolobical." Therefore, cheating was okay in his mind. Obviously, I disagreed.
However, I will say that there are some things I can see contributing to his opinion. 1) He's European, and Europeans do not seem to be as uptight about sex as Americans. 2) He escaped the Holocaust and lived under Communist rule for many, many years. Under communism, I believe sex was viewed as a great escape - one way to assert your freedom in a state where you were always told what to do. Sex was a way to do what you pleased, to check out and go to a fantasy world, to leave the burden behind for a while.
Perhaps if I had experienced the same, I wouldn't be so morally bound to monogamy.
I'll also say that since then, I've come to see that monogamy is not necessarily a one-size-fits-all sort of arrangement. But if you and your partner agree to a monogamous relationship, and then you go out and cheat, well, it's just a greedy, cowardly thing to do. At least own up to what you want and break it off before you run off with someone else. Having it both ways is just disgusting, especially when you're putting people's emotional and physical health on the line.
@rixatrix: As a European, I can say with ringing amplitude that we are in absolutely no way more indulgent of or prone to cheating and extra-marital affairs than the average American. I know that's not what you were arguing, but I'm a bit uncomfortable with conflating relaxed attitudes to sex with relaxed attitudes to cheating. The one thing does not lead to the other.
It's just not a strong enough argument to convince me. I totally agree with your conclusions regarding monogamy not being for everyone, and that it need not be unethical if everyone involved is happy and informed. I think you're right on the money when you say that it's the desire to have it both ways that's morally repulsive. But I don't think that desire stems from a need for sex. It stems from a desire to be a selfish asshole. You know?
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But I will never agree to one and am willing to wait around for someone who is like-minded. I've been cheated on, and if it happens again, I will see to it that the next time dude takes a piss, his dick will go off like a sprinkler head. Such fucking as.
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Dude, you can cheat on your partner, and that's fine (so long as I am not your partner), but do not pretend like the cheating was handed down to you from on high, or like it was totally out of your hands. On the path of monogamy, you made many, many wrong turns, and you did them on purpose. Don't absolve yourself of responsibility by acting like your relationship was an experiment that failed due to circumstances outside of your control. (And I use "you" in the general sense, not specifically toward this writer.)
I won't call you evil, but I will think you really low class if you act like you had no part in your own affair.
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However, I will say that there are some things I can see contributing to his opinion. 1) He's European, and Europeans do not seem to be as uptight about sex as Americans. 2) He escaped the Holocaust and lived under Communist rule for many, many years. Under communism, I believe sex was viewed as a great escape - one way to assert your freedom in a state where you were always told what to do. Sex was a way to do what you pleased, to check out and go to a fantasy world, to leave the burden behind for a while.
Perhaps if I had experienced the same, I wouldn't be so morally bound to monogamy.
I'll also say that since then, I've come to see that monogamy is not necessarily a one-size-fits-all sort of arrangement. But if you and your partner agree to a monogamous relationship, and then you go out and cheat, well, it's just a greedy, cowardly thing to do. At least own up to what you want and break it off before you run off with someone else. Having it both ways is just disgusting, especially when you're putting people's emotional and physical health on the line.
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It's just not a strong enough argument to convince me. I totally agree with your conclusions regarding monogamy not being for everyone, and that it need not be unethical if everyone involved is happy and informed. I think you're right on the money when you say that it's the desire to have it both ways that's morally repulsive. But I don't think that desire stems from a need for sex. It stems from a desire to be a selfish asshole. You know?
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