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    Image of jfwlucy jfwlucy
    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    This is also a common practice in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries -- a muta'awa, or temporary marriage is arranged so the the man/"husband" can have sex with a (usually young, inexperienced virgin from a small village) and then divorce her a few hours later without having committed adultery. The money factor is not important here, but the temporary wife's life is generally ruined in any case.
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    Image of salthegeek salthegeek
    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    Indian culture is really misogynistic. The women are taught to be nothing more than wives and mothers. My mother never really followed that and did her own thing while raising me.
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    11/23/09

    @salthegeek: I agree. My parents have always encouraged me to have a mind of my own and to grow up and be an independent woman, especially since my mom was deprived of that chance because she got married so young (20). She especially wants me to be as independent as possible, because her lack of independence has been a big thorn in her side her entire life. Even so, I can't deny their biases towards me as a daughter, but I think they've come a very long way from the way they've been raised.
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    11/23/09

    @salthegeek: Hmm . . . that's a pretty broad statement - I think a lot has to do with socio-economic class and the relative liberalism/conservatism of the family. My older female relatives are totally educated women who were pressured into an exclusive housewife/mother role, but every young woman I know right now has a very definite and ambitious career path. Granted, they're still expected to be married by 26 but the culture still holds up marriage as a final step to adulthood.
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    11/23/09

    @Bollywhaaa: Yeah, my family is mostly upper class Pakistani. All the wealth and the traditions too. It's really sad to see smart young women be forced in to something that wastes their skills.
    #tips
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    11/23/09

    @Jeenzy: My mom always regrets not getting her PhD, but that didn't stop her from woking when I got in to grade school and becoming an amazing teacher when we moved and I went to high school.
    #tips
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    11/23/09

    @salthegeek: I couldn't disagree more. This is a country that boasts a queen who single handedly commanded an army with her child secured firmly on her back, a female prime minister that successfully served several terms in office, and a current, highly intellectual woman serving as President. The USA can't even claim even one of the above. I don't know any woman who isn't highly educated, financially independent and confident. You really ought to get your facts straight before dishing out false statements.
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    11/23/09

    @salthegeek: Oh, I see where it comes from. Well then you really can't blame yourself for being in the dark, can you?
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    11/23/09

    @maladroite: Are you talking about Indira Ghandhi ? She did turn a bit fascist.

    #tips
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    11/23/09

    @maladroite: yah, I guess. I just really hate the fact that they think match making is better that falling in love first.
    #tips
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    11/23/09

    @salthegeek: It doesn't matter what her political inclination was. You claimed that India is a mysogynistic state, yet here is an example of a woman who held a huge country with her strong leadership for many years.
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    11/23/09

    @salthegeek: Yet that still has nothing to do with mysogyny.
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    11/23/09

    @maladroite: one exception to the rule does not completely invalidate her claim. even if one (or even a select handful of individual women) have been able to rise to the top, doesn't mean its not still a misogynistic culture. its the state of women as a whole, not the few privileged ones, that need to be considered. the us has many strong, female politicians and business executives, but its still a pretty fucking misogynistic state. rich, powerful women from well-known families (such as indira gandhi) are always going to have opportunities denied to regular women because of her station, class, and educational opportunities. but the individual experience of the privileged few does not reflect the actual situation of the many. it is the way in which common women are treated that reflects a cultures values-- not a few exceptional exceptions.
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    Edited by KATE! at 11/23/09 8:53 PM KATE! was starred KATE! was unstarred
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    11/23/09

    @KATE!: The thing with India is that the "common" woman doesn't exactly exist. India is an incredibly diverse country, with many different cultural values. Dismissing the whole nation as "fucking misogynistic" doesn't even begin to account for how complex women's roles in that society are. I could say, "In the United States, women are seen solely as sex objects" and point at various media representations, but that doesn't simply make the US "fucking misogynistic" either.

    All the women (and men) in my family who were born and raised in India are well-educated and middle-class, who freely chose their spouses and career goals. So could we please refrain from making sweeping generalizations about other countries?
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    11/23/09

    @KATE!: Just because you view a country with your narrow frame of reference for what constitutes a 'just' state for women, doesn't mean you have an accurate assessment of said state. I never once gave just one example of an independent woman and here you are on a rant about Indira Gandhi. There are too many examples of independent, educated and financially independent women to name. The problem with examples is that you wouldn't recognize them by name. India is 3x larger than the USA so by contrast of course you would see issues where a high population would be the cause for conflicts. Instead of highlighting a small number of problems and generalizing them as the problem of the entire country, why don't you lift your sights a little higher and take a look at this society at large??!
    #tips
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    11/23/09

    @rakarakarak: if you actually read my post, all i was doing was pointing out that the success of a single woman is not a good enough argument to prove a culture to be or not be misogynistic (which was maladriote's claim). in the same way that one persons story cannot exonerate a culture, one individual story cannot damn it. what one needs to do is to take a critical look at a variety of factors as they reflect the lives of a diverse sampling of women (not just the elite), including (but not limited to) access to education, political involvement, access to healthcare, instances of gender-based violence, life expectancy, cultural expectations/demands etc. in order to make that sort of determination. and pointing out that upper-class women are going to have better access to these things as well as higher standards of living and should not be used as the sole basis for this examination is neither absurd nor indicative of cultural bias as it stands true in every nation-state.

    and i am not really sure how you being from an educated middle-class family contradicts my point. im sure that the "holiday brides" (who you know, this whole post is about) are very happy for you, but i don't think that you choosing your own career/husband invalidates the claim that the marginalization or mistreatment of these women is based on gender inequality or misogynistic attitudes.

    pointing out instances of culturally accepted misogyny does not mean that every individual in a country or from that cultural tradition holds those opinions or act in accordance to them. in this instance, you are making the generalization by holding your own experiences as indicative of the norm for a great diversity of women.

    and you know, i do think that the fact that us culture sees women only as sex objects betrays misogynistic cultural attitudes. im not sure why you dont think that it is, or what there is to be gained by saying that it doesnt.
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    11/23/09

    @maladroite: lets be fair, my post can hardly be considered a rant on indira gandhi, or even a rant in general. you tell me to lift my sights higher and look at society as a large, but that is exactly what i said we should be doing (!) by looking at the status of the average woman who lives, works, and dies in relative obscurity, instead of looking at a few exceptional cases of national powerhouses (that are influenced by economic privilege and political power). you say i am highlighting a small number of problems, but i have highlighted none! i have focused on nothing! all i have done is say that highlighting a few exceptional examples does not prove that there cannot be misogynistic cultural attitudes. i am fully aware that india is a diverse and heterogeneous society with a great diversity of cultural, religious, sociopolitical opinion and tradition, but that does not mean we should not take a critical look at the collective status of women who live within its geopolitical boundaries. that the universal standard we can apply to determine the state of things that will provide much more solid and empirical evidence, as opposed to the few exceptional cases you offered as annecdotal evidence.

    addendum: upthread you made the claim: "I don't know any woman who isn't highly educated, financially independent and confident"

    if that is true, you must travel in a very small and exclusive circle and might benefit from getting to know a greater diversity of women because that is a sweeping generalization that really dismisses very legitimate claims of gender-based inequality. there is not one single country in this world that can claim its entire female population is highly educated, financially independent and confident. hell, there isn't a country that can boast its entire male population meets those requirements either.
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    Edited by KATE! at 11/23/09 11:55 PM KATE! was starred KATE! was unstarred
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    11/24/09

    @salthegeek: @KATE!: I take offense to the OP's original comment that "the women are taught to be nothing more than wives and mothers." that's a sweeping, generalizing statement, one that is easily refuted with one or two examples. Now, if you had said something akin to "women in india continue to have fewer rights than men in x and x areas" then I would be more inclined to not get a little frazzled with your comment.
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    11/24/09

    @KATE!: I will back off if you name a single country that is not misogynistic. It looks like you are just trying to put a great country down that you clearly know nothing about, and it's also extremely clear that you haven't understood much about what I had to say either.

    #tips
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    Edited by maladroite at 11/24/09 3:16 AM maladroite was starred maladroite was unstarred
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    11/24/09

    @maladroite: Why are trying to bully me into acquiescing to your opinion by trying to imply i have some sort of bias against india? no where in any of my posts have i said that there are countries that are not misogynistic. no where in my posts have i said india would be well served by adoption of western-style misogyny. no where in my posts have i held up any country as culturally superior to india. no where in my post have i said that there are misogyny free cultures that india should try to emulate. pointing out misogynistic cultural attitudes in one culture does not in any way imply that there are misogyny-free cultures and your attempt to corner me into providing a model or a culture that does gender relations perfect in relation is a cheap rhetorical trick because you and i both know there is no such thing. but the non-existence of a non-misogynistic culture does not negate the potential for misogynistic attitudes in another culture.
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    11/24/09

    @gobble_dee_goop: very good point, but i was responding more to the possibility of misogynistic cultural attitudes than that generalization specificially. i did not make that clear. that example is refuted easily as it is a sweeping generalization, but i think refuting a claim of misogynistic attitudes in a harder thing to do and needs more data than what has been provided. and the only real reason i felt it necessary to comment is that legitimate claims of discrimination are often challenged using anecdotal evidence which only serve to distract people without providing any solid evidence. my thesis this entire time is that a handful of truly exceptional success stories doesn't truly reflect cultural attitudes, and i still stand by that and would stand by it no matter what country we were talking about.
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    Edited by KATE! at 11/24/09 11:02 AM KATE! was starred KATE! was unstarred
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    11/24/09

    @KATE!: @VargasVegetarian: I'm not bullying anyone, I am solely offended by your attempt to take one story and defame an amazing, highly intellectual, peaceful and spiritual country at that. But I'm glad you clarified yourself. I'm solely tired of misconceptions about India by people who've never laid foot on the soil, who simply make grandiose statements by reading a couple of articles. Secondly, to compare India to Pakistan further proves my point. The two countries couldn't possibly be more different. It's like comparing China and Japan. We really seem to love our sweeping generalizations on Jezebel, don't we?

    #tips
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    Edited by maladroite at 11/24/09 3:47 PM maladroite was starred maladroite was unstarred
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    11/24/09

    @KATE!: Anyway, if you want to go on with your smear campaign, go right ahead... There are always some who want to drag every great leader down, just like Obama and his hilarious 'birther' protesters. Enjoy.
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    KATE! promoted this comment maladroite was starred maladroite was unstarred
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    11/24/09

    @maladroite: there is a huge difference between being critical of a certain aspect of something and defaming it. by that logic no one would ever be able to criticize any aspect of anything without denouncing the whole thing in the same breath. all progress would come to a halt if were unable to take a critical look at individual aspects of a larger whole. you're trying to make this an either/or conversation and it is NOT. listing a bunch of glowing adjectives does nothing to support your argument that gender relations in india are beyond reproach.

    i have launched no smear campaign against india nor was that ever my intent. if you think that that is what im trying to do you're either not listening to what im saying or deliberately misinterpreting so that you don't have to. all ive said is that you gave a logically flawed argument and you counter with assumptions about my intent, background, travel history and geopolitical knowledge. i didn't say anything about pakistan so please don't throw that in as a straw man and assume that i don't know the difference. we really seem to love our evasive arguments and haphazard rhetoric on Jezebel, don't we?
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    11/24/09

    @maladroite: ok, you're truly mental if you're going to compare me to a birther, when you are the one who uses the same rhetorical tricks and psuedointellectual slight of hand that they use.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    I wonder if this is all premeditated evil, or something else? I have some friends who are either first generation or recent immigrants, who are being pushed hard by their families to marry a "nice traditional Indian girl" (including a guy who was recently ambushed with a prospective bride upon arriving in India to visit family) instead of a non-south asian American or sometime even a second generation Indian-American girl. I bet it's possible that some of these guys got pressured into a marriage they didn't want in the first place, and freaked the hell out when they got home and backed out. Still completely dishonorable, but I've got to feel for anyone who's being pushed into a marriage they don't want any part of.
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    salthegeek promoted this comment lizdexia was starred lizdexia was unstarred
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    11/23/09

    @lizdexia: My cousin is being pressured in to marrying a random Pakistani guy and she's excited for it . Shame she's a smart women and wont't be able to make her way in the world.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    When I think holidays, I think like..a one week trip somewhere. I'm not trying to say this is their fault BY ANY MEANS but..do people really get married that quickly?

    ETA: Aside from Britney
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    Zombie Ms. Skittles promoted this comment Edited by anteup at 11/23/09 4:33 PM anteup was starred anteup was unstarred
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    11/23/09

    @anteup: They're probably arranged marriages or set up by a matchmaker.
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    11/23/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles:

    Ah! Hadn't thought of that at all.
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    11/23/09

    @anteup: Nobody goes to India for a week, more like 6 months. Also, even with matchmaking, they have courtships, but they're typically shorter. People in India believe in romantic love, just not in dating for years and years and seeing what it's like beyond infatuation, like they do in the States. Think Betty and Henry Francis.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    Isn't this the plot of Madama Butterfly? Rule of thumb: When taking life lessons from the plots of tragic operas, think: did this work out well in the end?

    Bad idea then, bad idea now.
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    la.donna.pietra promoted this comment Edited by sallysparrow at 11/23/09 4:24 PM sallysparrow was starred sallysparrow was unstarred
    Image of DutchessOfDork DutchessOfDork
    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    Wow. That's terrible.
    Though the people I know that marry back home are women getting the men.
    My friend's uncle advertised her in the newspaper (without her permission) and CANADIAN appeared in bold. Oy vey.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    Let the BBC set up a To Catch a Predator type show to help defer the costs. Call it To Catch a Douche (or whichever darling British slang term you want).
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    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    So these guys basically get paid to deflower virgins.

    Awesome. And by "awesome" I mean "stop earth, want off."
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    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    Oh, Western Men. Is there nothing you won't fuck up?
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    11/23/09

    @Bitingpika: You know if I replaced the word "Western" with black or gay or third-world, everyone would be up in arms.
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    11/23/09

    @Sadako: Don't even start with me. The adjectives are in no way comparable.#tips
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    Edited by Bitingpika at 11/23/09 4:31 PM Bitingpika was starred Bitingpika was unstarred
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    11/23/09

    @Bitingpika: So because it's socially acceptable to put down Western men, you'll continue to do it and get huffy if anyone calls you on making assumptions about people, but you'll feel free to speak out against bigots/misogynists? Okay, just making sure I know the party line.
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    thesciencegirl promoted this comment Sadako was starred Sadako was unstarred
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    11/23/09

    @Sadako: I know, right? Who will stand up for the poor, oppressed Western men? They have been so thoroughly trampled on throughout history.

    Oh wait...
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    11/23/09

    @thesciencegirl: Just because someone hasn't been oppressed doesn't mean it's obnoxious to make assumptions about them like that. At the most basic level, I just assume people like that are really unoriginal. Like they want to say something snarky but they're afraid to do it unless it's about a socially acceptable target.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    Now I have the sad.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    I am SO f-ing sick of this PC BULLSHIT! I don't care what religion you are, they are 'CHRISTMAS Brides'! Why don't you just leave if you don't like it here?!?!
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    11/23/09

    @vitajex: was that a facetious comment?

    "Holiday" in British English also means a "Vacation" in American English. So it denotes mariages that occur while the men are on their vacations.
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    11/23/09

    @envirodesigner: I'm pretty sure this was entirely sarcastic.
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    11/23/09

    @vitajex: Dude, for real. If we call them Holiday Brides then the terrorists win. Why do these people hate America?

    (Actually I think in this sense "holiday" is more like "vacation.")
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    11/23/09

    @vitajex: I snorted.
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    11/23/09

    @envirodesigner: This comment is SO DIVISIVE. There are countries other than the United Kingdom and the United States that SPEAK ENGLISH TOO, you know
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    11/23/09

    @Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Oh, please. The US doesn't speak English, they speak American.
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    11/23/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: @et all... *sigh* it's so HARD to tell. Why? won't somebody think of the children???!!!

    #tips
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    11/23/09

    @Dauphine: Or rather, the US speaks English, but the UK, Australia, NZ, HK, and SA speak 'English- Other'
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    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    "Holiday Brides," sound like the name of really fucked up romantic comedy. God, I hope they don't turn this into one.
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    11/23/09

    @CurtCole: Not this story, maybe, hopefully but can't you just hear the announcer guy now...."This December, Kate Hudson & Cameron Diaz are Holiday Brides" Ugh
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    11/23/09

    @lucyjae: Two Ladies, Jilted at the Airport, Set Out to Change Their Destinies.

    This shit really does write itself.
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    11/23/09

    @CurtCole: What about the companion movie - "Holiday Bros!Brody Jenner and Matthew McConaughey like you have never seen them before!"
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    11/23/09

    @badmutha: There tomfoolery alone would make the celluloid melt.
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    11/23/09

    @CurtCole: Coming Soon! Holiday Kidz..with Mylie and Ali! Hijinks ensue when these tween queens get stranded in the shopping mall!
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    11/23/09

    @CurtCole: Kate is Channing, a frustrated ad exec from New York who can't seem to find the time to date, or a man to date in the first place. She meets a charming, handsome man named Brandon, played by Clive Owen; who seems to be the answer to her dreams. But when a couples' weekend with her and her best friend Becky, played by Cameron Diaz, and her loutish boyfriend Sam (played by Jack Black), becomes a distaster, as the brut Sam turns Brandon into a beer-guzzling, chauvinistic pig like himself, both ladies find themselves in Miami International Airport single, heart-broken, but ready to party.
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    Image of LadyFabulous LadyFabulous
    11/23/09

    @CurtCole: I'm sure Bollywood is working on it. It'll star Ashwariya Rai as the jilted bride who goes to London to find the husband who deserted her only to fall in love with a handsome stranger who takes pity on her when she finds hubby with his secretary. We know it's a movie because who the eff would jilt Ash?
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    Image of Kitten is an 80s rocker Kitten is an 80s rocker
    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    MEN OF THE WORLD: STOP BEING DOUCHES IMMEDIATELY
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    Image of Lin-Z [linguist on duty] Lin-Z [linguist on duty]
    11/23/09

    @Kitten is an 80s rocker: This is your final notice to cease and desist, men of the world!
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    Image of Kitten is an 80s rocker Kitten is an 80s rocker
    11/23/09

    @Lin-Z [linguist on duty]: KEEP YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM.

    #tips
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    Image of nnnnnnn' nnnnnnn'
    11/23/09

    In reply to "Holiday Brides" Are A Growing Epidemic
    Maybe the best solution for this is to abolish the dowry. Then, perhaps, there is less incentive to take advantage of these women, and a shitty sexist practice is eliminated. Everyone wins!
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    Image of Israfel_angel Israfel_angel
    11/23/09

    @nnnnnnn': I don't think it's the dowry that's the incentive (at least from what I got of the article)... it's the holiday sex.
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    morninggloria promoted this comment Israfel_angel was starred Israfel_angel was unstarred
    Image of Hana Maru Hana Maru
    11/23/09

    @nnnnnnn': Dowries have been illegal for some time now. Unfortunately, it's a hard thing to enforce.
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    Image of morninggloria morninggloria
    11/23/09

    @Israfel_angel: But it's like... bro, if you want holiday sex, just go on holiday to Cancun. There is TONS of sexing going on there.
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    Image of Blueberry26 Blueberry26
    11/23/09

    @morninggloria: Virgins, dude, virgins.
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    morninggloria promoted this comment Blueberry26 was starred Blueberry26 was unstarred
    Image of Israfel_angel Israfel_angel
    11/23/09

    @morninggloria: @Blueberry26

    Yeah... and probably underage virgins too...
     Reply
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    Image of morninggloria morninggloria
    11/23/09

    @Blueberry26: Yeah, nothing is more fun than having sex with a virgin...
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    Image of BytheSea BytheSea
    11/23/09

    @Israfel_angel: It dind't say it in the article (I read the first one linked) but I think $33,000 is pretty sweet to a young immigrant living in an expensive foreign city. The recession hit England too.
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    Image of BytheSea BytheSea
    11/23/09

    @Blueberry26: Freshmen, dude, freshmen
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    Image of pesematology pesematology
    11/16/09

    In reply to Nightmare Bridezilla Has Her "Not Poor" Wedding Day
    Things that people never saw before in their lives? #bridezillaskaren
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