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mommy_dearest
10/16/09

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Based on that picture of Career Choices for Girls According to Video Games, I choose to be Tinkerbell. #gardasil
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seresy
10/17/09

@mommy_dearest: I chose to rescue kidnapped princesses. Unfortunately that market is quite small, so I'm hanging on to my current position until something in my true calling opens up. #gardasil
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La Chica Lucy
10/16/09

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I'm surprised NC has LIFE sentences or even 80-year sentences for rape. In NY rape is a B Felony! That's right, folks, in NYS you will do more time for drug possession than for rape. It makes me fucking sick. #gardasil
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5ft of fury
10/16/09

@La Chica Lucy: Priorities. We don't have them. Ugh, it makes me sick to think that people will honestly get more outraged at animal abuse (which is terrible but IMO not greater than human suffering) than at domestic violence and rape. Or that the US and our shit for brains drug policy crowds already overcrowded and underfunded prisons with drug abusers and as a result has to let violent, repeat offenders out early. Policy fail. #gardasil
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winner
10/16/09

@La Chica Lucy: For fucking real. And only a Class B felony if the victim is 11 or younger. Class D if she's 15 or older. And Class E if she's 17 or older. #gardasil
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Red-headed bookworm
10/16/09

@La Chica Lucy: I worked with a couple guys convicted of rape (two different jobs), one got probation for confining and raping a woman with his friend, the other served two years of a ten year sentence for drugging/getting drunk underage boys and raping them. In comparison, serving 80 years is a pretty harsh sentence.
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Nariel
10/17/09

@La Chica Lucy: Southern states are usually harsher on sex crimes. I think child rape is a capital offense in Louisiana. #gardasil
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redqueenmeg
10/16/09

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Morehouse... what? Sunglasses? What? Did I just wake up? I mean, I did, but ... WHAT? #gardasil
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Ipomoea
10/16/09

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You know, I'm happy that the FDA is approving HPV vaccines, but when the fuck are they going to start approving them for use in women over 26, so my gynecologist can give it to me and I don't have to pay $350+ out of pocket? SOME OF US ARE OLDER, FDA! #gardasil
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BoatGirl
10/16/09

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John McCain - You did something good!

Is it Opposite Day and no one told me? #gardasil
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La Chica Lucy
10/16/09

@BoatGirl: I have to admit, I was waay cynical at first, thinking this was some GOP ploy to attract African American voters, but after reading the story, that is clearly not the case. Every now and then, McCain does something classy. #gardasil
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jleigh
10/16/09

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Just to be clear, the NC change in life sentences was not by the legislature, but was a change in interpretation by the Courts. The law says an 80 year sentence is a life sentence, and so they're now going to treat it that way. (The AG argued it just meant eligibility for parole, not the length of the sentence.) The article is very fear-monger-y. All the people mentioned have been in prison for over 30 years and are eligible because of good time credits. Also, 80 years is relatively high compared to most other life sentences I've seen which are often more like 25, 30, or 40 years. #gardasil
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CherriSpryte
10/16/09

@jleigh: A life sentence isn't "you go to prison until you're dead"? I didn't know that. #gardasil
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5ft of fury
10/16/09

@jleigh: All valid points. And yet, I still don't think that a convicted rapist (much less a convicted child rapist) should ever be released back into society again, even if they have been on good behavior (although it might be difficult to be on "bad behavior" since there usually aren't girls in prison to rape). That's just not what "life sentence" should mean. #gardasil
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BytheSea
10/16/09

@5ft of fury: Do we know that the men themselves weren't children or near-children when the rapes occured? The age of the girl remains the same but the man grows older, so while a 17 year old man raping a 14 year old girlfriend is disgusting, it's not quite the same as a 57 year old man who, according to the books, is known for raping 14 year olds. Other jezzies have pointed out that the justice system often doesn't account for this, turning a technical pedo by really a rapist into a psychotic monster on the books. #gardasil
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winner
10/16/09

@BytheSea: It looks like all the rapes involving children were B1 Felonies in North Cackilacki which means that the defendant was at least 12 years-old and at least 4 years older than the victim.

The 9 year old was raped by a 21 year old and the 15 year old was raped by a 22 year old. Haven't looked into the rest.

My head is all for strict interpretation of the constitution; my heart is pissed because a violent crime is a violent crime. #gardasil
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BytheSea
10/16/09

@winner: But a 57 year old who committed one sexual assault when he was 20, against someoen who was close to his age, is morelikely to be rehabilitated and less lkely to committ a crimeagain than a 57 year old who raped a 14 year old. #gardasil
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winner
10/16/09

@BytheSea: No I totally agree with you. I'm a huge proponent of rehabilitation over incarceration. That said, my heart goes out to the victim and I can only imagine what they're going through right now. #gardasil
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EkaterinaBallerina
10/16/09

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Please, please would John McCain send that letter to Rep. Lynn Jenkins. She needs to get her head out of her ass. #gardasil
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bertiekenealy000
10/07/09

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You're sister should be ok. I was a little freaked but the procedures are pretty easy to get through (colposcopy and LEEP). Then you have to get your cells screened every 6 months or so. What confuses me is that if I only got an hpv test and not a pap I probably would have developed cancer. In most articles I read they say if you test negative hpv you can go in for a pap every other year! That would have been bad advice for me.
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thesciencegirl
10/07/09

@bertiekenealy000: Thanks so much for the reply! I'm glad everything worked out okay for you.
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Clarissima
10/07/09

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I don't support this vaccine. Of course I support women's health, but not women's health as defined by corporate giants shamelessly banking on mothers' concerns for their daughters' reproductive health, buying pats on the back from the FDA.

This vaccine has serious, serious side effects. Wired Magazine had an article about its dangers and fatalities last year.
You can search Judicialwatch.org for more information. Or keep an eye out on:
[www.nvic.org]

(DISCLAIMER: I do not work for any of these companies)
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Crazie Janie
10/07/09

@Clarissima: You know what else has serious effects? Cervical cancer.
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Eriu
10/07/09

@Crazie Janie: And other consequences of HPV. I cannot stand this uninformed flippancy about something that has utterly ruined my life. And on Jezebel, of all places.

Not to mention, Wired Magazine is a fucking joke.
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queenofdebt
10/07/09

@Clarissima: I don't support the vaccine for a few resons including the ones you listed. The main reason that I don't support it is because my friends who are in their twenties now refuse to get yearly pelivic exams because they think they are "protected". It seems as if their years of sex ed flew out the window and they forgot that there are plenty of other STDs you should get tested for when you have unprotected sex with someone you don't know very well.
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Clarissima
10/07/09

@Eriu: I don't think HPV is a joke. I don't think any aspect of women's health is a joke. Neither is turning women's bodies into a testing ground. Vaccines aren't magical solutions dispensed in a one size fits all approach. Different bodies react differently and I'm constantly APPALLED by what I view as lack of throroughness by the FDA.

Healthcare is not a joke to me.
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Clarissima
10/07/09

@queenofdebt: Oh dear. That is not good. But how is it the vaccine's fault?
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tigress
10/07/09

@Clarissima: Of course it has serious side effects, it's a vaccine. Every vaccine has the potential for an individual to develop serious side effects. I'm sure the small pox vaccine has serious side effects too, but that isn't a good reason to not take it.
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Eriu
10/07/09

@Clarissima: Could've fooled me. It would be helpful if you could separate your problems with corporate heathcare and the FDA from the very real benefits of this vaccine in particular. And every valid source I've read tears the rumors of "deaths" and paralysis, etc. caused by Gardisil to pieces.

Also, I second tigress' comment.
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Lymed
10/07/09

@tigress: Yes, the smallpox vaccine would cause smallpox symptoms in some people and lead to some deaths. It saved billions more lives than it killed.
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wrapped in plastic
10/07/09

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Except in Ireland, where the (female) Minister for Health cancelled the vaccination programme to save money.

Not that I'm bitter or anything.
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BeckySharper
10/07/09

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It'll work a lot faster if they vaccinate boys as well, to create herd immunity.
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morninggloria
10/07/09

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I don't support this. Anytime women are protected against anything, they just use it as an excuse to act like whores.
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shoroko
10/07/09

@morninggloria: I know, right? I got the vaccine two years ago and it's just been non-stop sex since.
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bertiekenealy
10/07/09

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I'm a Jez lurker but thought I'd pipe in on this one. I had stage 3 pre-cancerous cells on my cervix. I DON'T have the hpv virus. The article seems to imply that if you get the vaccine you can't get cervical cancer. I don't see how that could be true since I do not have hpv. I have also gone to my gyno once a year since I was 18 and got the positive cancer cell result when I was 30. I'm all good now though (after colposcopy and another procedure). So I advise everyone to go to the gynocologist - every year!!
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schweppes
10/07/09

@bertiekenealy: THANK you. Most c. cancer is caused by HPV, but not all. That idea is definitely missing from this. Expert fail.
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HarpMadness
10/07/09

@bertiekenealy: Good info and advice. I'm glad to hear you're doing well! My grandmother survived cervical cancer back in the day (I'm talking like the 1950's) so this is always a topic close to my heart.
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Lymed
10/07/09

@bertiekenealy: I think that is why the post says "along with advanced screening techniques." Screening will remain important, even with the vaccine.
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schweppes
10/07/09

@Lymed: What's interesting is that the guy's longer statement in the linked article explicitly says "That's the long term future: vaccination and no screening"
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Lymed
10/07/09

@schweppes: I wonder if it is because he thinks all cervical cancer is caused by viruses, and that we just don't have tests for all the strains so we don't know all the viruses yet. But in time he expects we will know all the viruses that cause cervical cancer and create vaccines for all those viruses.
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schweppes
10/07/09

@Lymed: He certainly didn't imply that in the interview, and didn't make any mention of improving the screening to catch more strains. But maybe, it's just an interview not a window into his braiiiin
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Lymed
10/07/09

@schweppes: I'm just wondering, not inferring.
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schweppes
10/07/09

@Lymed: I know, and I didn't mean my bitterness to come across to you, just towards him, mr. self-described expert.
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TheGuvnah
10/07/09

@bertiekenealy: About 70% of cervical cancer cases are caused by HPV though, so vaccinating can greatly reduce the incidence of cervical cancer.

Glad you are now healthy!
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thesciencegirl
10/07/09

@bertiekenealy: One of my sisters was diagnosed last week with stage 3 pre-cancer/stage 0 cervical cancer. Also HPV-negative. It is important to keep in perspective that HPV-cases make up, at most, a few percentage points, of all cervical cancers. But you are correct; screening remains very important. Regular pap smears saved my sister from missing this before it became a bigger problem. Yearly examples are essential.
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Pretentious
10/07/09

@bertiekenealy: CIN-3 isn't cancer.
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thesciencegirl
10/07/09

@Pretentious: It's pretty much considered "stage 0" non-invasive cancer. But more importantly, if not caught at that stage, it will almost surely become fully invasive cancer. Which bertiekenealy clearly understands since she used the word "pre-cancer." Do you have a point? If so, what is it?
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Eriu
10/07/09

@thesciencegirl: Wait, what is your source for "HPV-cases make up, at most, a few percentage points, of all cervical cancers"? Everything I've read says HPV accounts for the vast majority.
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thesciencegirl
10/07/09

@Eriu: sorry. I meant HPV-negative, but I was using "-" as shorthand for negative. Sorry for any confusion!
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Eriu
10/07/09

@thesciencegirl: Oooh, gotcha. Thanks! Also, I'm curious - did your sister get tested for HPV? Because the only reason I knew I had high-risk HPV was from a pap. My doctor told me they don't usually bother with testing since it's so unlikely that it won't be HPV and since the procedure is the same either way. (Shortly after I developed low-risk also, so I know it's HPV. Just curious how someone would know it's not, if that makes sense?)
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thesciencegirl
10/07/09

@Eriu: Yes, she was tested for HPV. She had a negative test, which is why her abnormal pap (and subsequent abnormal colposcopy) surprised me.

But yes, ultimately, the treatment is the same. And the most important thing is that, HPV test results be damned, she continued to get yearly pap smears.
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Opti-Miss
10/07/09

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I'd gladly take the risk of going unvaccinated if it meant the end of the 2 MILLION DEATHS EACH YEAR CAUSED BY DIARRHEA in the developing world. I apologise to those that have personal experience with cancer, but this is clearly a case of putting first world medical problems ahead, and I just can't support that.
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BeckySharper
10/07/09

@Opti-Miss: Cervical cancer is the second leading cause of cancer deaths in the Third World, primarily because women don't have access to diagnostics and treatments the way we do.

Gardasil will save the lives of millions more women in the Third World than in the First World, and, in fact, it was developed WITH THAT IN MIND.

Does that make you feel better?
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Eriu
10/07/09

@Opti-Miss: Frankly, I don't see the relevance. Since when do we have to decide between medical choices and caring about any other cause? This is news to me. I feel you when it comes to "Relay for Life" and things like that, because nobody in my college got riled up about any other disease or cause that didn't directly impact them, but I don't think that point extends to taking precautions regarding one's own health, nor do I see how refusing to do so is helping the developing world. Also, as I say to everyone here who is so flippant about HPV and this vaccine, as though the consequences are negligible, I wish you could go through a FRACTION of what I have with this disease and then ask you if you'd still like to "risk" it.
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sequined
10/07/09

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Gee, what a relief for those of us who are already probably going to get it!

Not that I'm not glad we're eradicating a terrible cancer; I'm just bitter.
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Lymed
10/07/09

@sequined: If you get regular screenings you have very high chances of catching pre-cancerous cells which you can have removed before you get cancer.
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Eriu
10/07/09

@Lymed: And then having an incredibly expensive, insanely painful surgery! Hooray! (You're totally right, but having been there, I'm joining sequined in her bitterness.)
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Lymed
10/07/09

@Eriu: I understand the bitterness. But there were women before us who didn't have access to screenings to find the pre-cancerous cells. And I don't want to minimize your experience. If the NYT wrote an article on Lyme disease 6 months earlier than it did, I wouldn't live in chronic pain...so I really do understand bitterness.
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Eriu
10/07/09

@Lymed: No, I know. I just get cranky, and it's more directed at people (who seem to be in abundance here) who seem to think that HPV is no big deal. (I don't think you're one of them. Just annoyed by other comments, and past ones.) And don't get me wrong. I love Gardisil. Doctors claim it has no impact on HPV that you've already been exposed to, but neither of mine (high- and low-risk) began to improve until I was vaccinated. Just sort of wanted to point out that "catching pre-cancerous cells" isn't as peachy keen as it sounds, I guess. Though admittedly much better than not catching them.

Just saw your edit, and I'm sorry to hear that. I can relate. If Gardisil had come out six months earlier, I wouldn't have spent 3 years (and counting) having my cervix burned with a laser and acid poured on my nether regions bi-weekly, not to mention the depression, shame, etc. Again, I was just expressing my own bitterness, not disagreeing with your point.
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Lymed
10/07/09

@Eriu: Your story is important to share. It is very difficult for many people to wrap their heads around the need to take action to prevent an illness that may occur decades later.
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SharonTaint
10/07/09

@Eriu: I feel your pain, literally and figuratively, having gone through the very same thing a few years ago.

Unfortunately, I am older than 26 and can't get vaccinated.

I too spent about 3-4 years in the presence of lasers and acid and shame and guilt and depression.
It was a waking nightmare.

The strangest thing was that almost immediately after I delivered my baby boy over a year ago, all the symptoms of HPV seem to have vanished.

I still go in for a pap every 6 months, but it's so weird to me to get that clean bill of health after every visit. Knock wood.

I should get knocked up more often.

;)
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Pretentious
10/07/09

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Eriu
10/07/09

@Pretentious: Wow. Actually, no, depression and shame for being diagnosed with a socially isolating and taboo disease and having an extreme case of genital warts, for which (maybe you missed this in your first reading) I had strong trichloracetic ACID (you know, the kind that rapidly eats through your fucking skin) applied to the OUTSIDE of my vagina and surrounding areas. There are plenty of pain nerves there. But thanks for the ignorant and sarcastic disrespect.
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Lymed
10/07/09

@Pretentious: Are you really so pretentious you would question somebody's emotions about a serious medical procedure?
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Eriu
10/07/09

@Pretentious: Wow. No, actually depression and shame for being diagnosed with a socially isolating and taboo disease and having an extreme case of genital warts because of it, for which (maybe you missed this in your original reading) I had trichloracetic ACID (you know, the kind that rapidly eats through your fucking skin) frequently applied to the OUTSIDE of my vagina and surrounding areas. But thanks for your ignorant and sarcastic disrespect.
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Eriu
10/07/09

@Pretentious: Wow. No, actually depression and shame for being diagnosed with a socially isolating and taboo disease and having an extreme case of genital warts because of it, for which (maybe you missed this in your original reading) I had trichloracetic ACID (you know, the kind that rapidly eats through your fucking skin) frequently applied to the OUTSIDE of my vagina and surrounding areas. But thanks for your ignorant and sarcastic disrespect.
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Eriu
10/07/09

@Pretentious: Wow. No, actually depression and shame for being diagnosed with a socially isolating and taboo disease and having an extreme case of genital warts, for which (maybe you missed this part in your original reading) I had trichloracetic ACID (you know, the kind that eats through your fucking skin) applied to the OUTSIDE of my vagina multiple times a month. There are PLENTY of pain nerves there. I also couldn't walk for over a week, or sit comfortably for almost a month, after the surgery on my cervix. But thanks for the ignorant and sarcastic disrespect.
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Eriu
10/07/09

@Pretentious: Wow. No, actually depression and shame for being diagnosed with a socially isolating and taboo disease and having an extreme case of genital warts, for which (maybe you missed this part in your original reading) I had trichloracetic ACID (you know, the kind that eats through your fucking skin) applied to the OUTSIDE of my vagina multiple times a month. There are PLENTY of pain nerves there. I also couldn't walk for over a week, or sit comfortably for almost a month, after the surgery on my cervix. But thanks for the ignorant and sarcastic disrespect.
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chatterboxwriting
10/07/09

@Pretentious: You so missed the point here that you should take up residence in Obliviousville. Depression and shame don't necessarily come from a painful condition; they come from dealing with a condition that requires examinations and diagnostic procedures on an intimate area of the body. Not to mention that these procedures can cause pain and discomfort AND there is still somewhat of a stigma surrounding this condition.
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Eriu
10/07/09

@SharonTaint: Thanks for sharing. It's actually very comforting to hear from someone who's been through the same thing. It's hard to remember they exist when you don't know any. And congrats on being healthy! That's one check in the "pro" column for pregnancy.
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