@braak: I don't understand people who keep on fucking guys who they don't trust to take the pill (and not trust in the "oh, he wouldn't care" way and not the "he can't remember less important things. I should deal with this" way).
@Newsgirl: Nope. I need to use condoms to protect against STD's anyway, so it wouldn't make a difference to me if a guy were on or off boypill (outside extra security IF he's taking it, and taking it right).
I can see it benefiting couples in monogamous relationships.
@greengrey: I can also see it benefiting those guys who swear ladies are trying to trick them into having babies. Don't want to get caught by a "gold digger?" Well have I got a plan for YOU!
@Newsgirl: If you're not monogamous, you should still be using condoms. If you are and you don't trust them, maybe you shouldn't be monogamous.
Him: 'I'm on the PIll, so don't worry.'
Her: 'Great. Because I'm not, and I'm really, really fertile and wouldn't mind having a kid. Okay, let's get to it.'
Him: 'Uh...'
@HeatherNumber1: reminds me of the conversation I had with a dude after stupidly going bareback.
He was freaked because he's a cop and doesn't make enough to support a baby and i was like 'dude, what honestly makes you think I'd be carrying anything you plant in my uterus to term?'
Yeah. I could trust some guys. I'd trust my long term boyfriend, for example. Or a husband. Or anyone else I was in a solid, monogamous relationship wtih.
I wouldn't trust some random guy I didn't know very well, but I think men who do that with random women are also idiots. Wear a condom with people you don't know well and aren't monogamous with! It's so simple!
@BeckySharper: Amen. We're already planning that. Last baby pops out and he'll go into the hospital as I'm leaving.
Of course, you could be like my CRAZY ASS Evangelical cousin who says that vasectomies are of Satan because they separate men from his holy, life-giving seed... his words.
@inabook: ' two contraceptions is better than one!'
This does make me wonder if the old adage about birth control (for some women) – that it works great because it makes you feel like never having sex again – would go double. Hmmm.
Ok, love the site and mostly agree with things here, but jesus hell, can not we not have so much Man bashing this early on a Monday. Some of us to take responsability for contraception. And for those of you complaining about your BF or husband, why date/marry them if they seem to piss you off so much. Verbal assult in 3,2,1...
@drewonline: I'm concerned about all the Jude Law jokes. Poor kid.
I think people are frustrated because we get an article like this every six months or so, claiming men will finally be able to have more birth control choices just as soon as we can get a dozen to take part in a trial (in the mean time, here are three new variations on the female Pill, two of which cause suicidal depression and blood clots – try to guess which ones!).
It's sort of like seeing a big 'Coming Soon' sign over a shop that never opens. We're just cynical, is all.
@Katxyz: We'll have to get more deviant and like bribe the doctor to inject him with a placebo instead of the actual hormones, or sneak into the hospital disguised as a nurse and switch all of the birth control with something that actually increases sperm production.
We're going to have to get soap opera level deviant.
We'll do it! We're a happily married couple with one kid, and while we don't want another kid right now, it wouldn't destroy us to accidentally have another.
We're the perfect test couple! (and no more condoms sounds great!)
Where can I sign the BF up? Because I am sick of taking the pill. Not that I am pressured to take it anyway, but it just makes things easier. And using condoms all the time is difficult for me as I am a little sensitive to them.
We live in Scotland and my husband has been hmmming and hawwing about getting the snip (we have three kids and don't want anymore). If this was safe I think he might be up for it. (I'm not sure he'd want to be in the first batch of guinea pigs though!)
@thePrototype: I told him not to bother, he wants biological kids and I don't so I think in this case the sterilization onus should be on me. If it were a mutual thing where it were "okay, 3 kids and we're DONE" then I'd be all over making him do it but I'm the one who doesn't want them, so if this goes down in flames I'm the one who should have the consequence (which in this case is not having babies). I have a male friend who is trying to get a vasectomy at 27 for this exact reason.
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: My husband is 31 and people (doctors) seem to think even that is young for a vasectomy. But we seem to be SUPER fertile and I don't trust many forms of birth control anymore. He could get it done but he keeps having things come up that make him put it off (a sponsored bike ride he doesn't want to be sore for, an exam he has coming up etc etc).
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: I've never viewed condoms as birth control though- just disease prevention. The extra birth control is an added bonus. But I would never consider taking home a random man and not making him wear a condom because I was on the pill. So yeah, that excuse would still not fly
@colormeroutine: Word on all of this. What is this, the '70s? 'I'm on the Pill' should never be the answer to 'Do you have a condom?' regardless of who asks or answers.
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: Yeah no. I am under 25 and even in my dumb high school days would not have stood for that shit. Of course, I wasn't in an abstinence only program, so who the H knows what kids are getting themselves up to these days...
@colormeroutine: I used them as birth control with my husband for three years before I got my IUD and they worked great - never once had a scare. I don't know why people are unwilling to consider them as birth control anymore.
@WagaMama: I'm not unwilling to consider them as birth control, it's just that since they also have the other function, disease prevention, and no OTHER birth control method has that, I don't see them as inter-changeable with other forms of birth control
It bothers me to no end, but most of the guys I know would never take a male contraceptive pill. They're so absurdly protective of their junk, and still seem to feel that it's their girlfriends' responsibility to take the pill. Clearly not all men feel this way, but I think the main barrier to male contraception isn't the lack of a chemical formula, but old-fashioned attitudes.
Edited to add that I'm a guy, and I still don't understand guys who feel this way.
@GreyEminence: I think you're right on. Men are happy to have us do all kinds of wacked-out shit to our reproductive systems so we can enjoy consequence-free sex, but when you ask them to do something to theirs, you tend to get the reflexive groin-clutch and "OMG, not my junk!"
It's clearly a cultural issue and maybe it's *slowly* changing, but it's not changing nearly fast enough for me.
@BeckySharper: Do you think though, that the prevalence and availability of something like this might make the glacial change of attitude speed up? It may very well be a lazy vicious cycle, as in, "Oh the ladies are already taking care of it, so..."
At least that would be my hope, hopeless idealist that I am.
@GreyEminence: I see the myriad of ways that male b.c. is awesome for women, but I think as a guy I'd be ALL OVER this shit. Of course bc fails for lots of reasons, but I appreciate having at least some semblance of control over the matter (especially for sex outside of super committed relationships) - I would think they would, too.
....but, then again, my track record shows I am not that great with making assumptions about what men think.
@hydrogen_jukebox: Well, men have always had the option of wearing a condom. Those are cheap and available, but there seem to be plenty of dudes who will not roll one on.
I think the attitude is changing--more guys seem to be wisening up and using condoms, for example--but I think we still have a long way to go before men see birth control as THEIR job instead of ours.
@Where The Mild Things Are: Yeah, a lot of guys I know would LOVE this. Some of them tell me that they don't really trust women to be on the pill or on the pill right (so they use condoms, good boys). They would be all over something that gives them more "control" of their reproductive systems.
Am I the only women in the world who also hates how condoms feel and sort of understands desperately trying to find an excuse not to use one (although of course I do)?
@GreyEminence: I am really, really curious how men would react to the physical and emotional side effects. It troubles me how much women are just expected to put up with.
Yeah. I find it kind of weird that men not wanting to use condoms when their partner is on birth control is framed by some on this board as not wanting to take responsibility and trying to make it entirely the woman's job.
I honestly feel a lot of men who suggest not using a condom when they know their partner is on birth control, especially younger men, do it out of the honest belief that since they are already using a very efficient form of birth control, and since they can't believe someone they are attracted to and seems nice could have an STD*, that the condom isn't necessary
I don't think it's a case of men being lazy and wanting do dump all the work and responsibility on women.
I see it as a case of them not having many non invasive options, and condoms being gross and annoying, so why wouldn't they select the option that seems both most effective and most pleasurable for both people?
That's why I brought up my personal dislike for them.
*I've read studies that show both men AND women tend to assume people with certain characteristics (physically good looking, good hygiene, nice and honest seeming) are less likely to have STDs) and I think that's a generally true mistake people make when assessing the need for a condom.
Like we needed a test to prove that. Author, hotel shill and apparent super-scientist Tom Bodett identified the phenomenon years ago, 'calls it Papa Bismol.
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I can see it benefiting couples in monogamous relationships.
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All those guys who REALLY don't want to have kids would have another option.
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Him: 'I'm on the PIll, so don't worry.'
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He was freaked because he's a cop and doesn't make enough to support a baby and i was like 'dude, what honestly makes you think I'd be carrying anything you plant in my uterus to term?'
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Yeah. I could trust some guys. I'd trust my long term boyfriend, for example. Or a husband. Or anyone else I was in a solid, monogamous relationship wtih.
I wouldn't trust some random guy I didn't know very well, but I think men who do that with random women are also idiots. Wear a condom with people you don't know well and aren't monogamous with! It's so simple!
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I'd still keep taking mine though, because pregnancy is one of my biggest fears right now, and two contraceptions is better than one!
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Of course, you could be like my CRAZY ASS Evangelical cousin who says that vasectomies are of Satan because they separate men from his holy, life-giving seed... his words.
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This does make me wonder if the old adage about birth control (for some women) – that it works great because it makes you feel like never having sex again – would go double. Hmmm.
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I think people are frustrated because we get an article like this every six months or so, claiming men will finally be able to have more birth control choices just as soon as we can get a dozen to take part in a trial (in the mean time, here are three new variations on the female Pill, two of which cause suicidal depression and blood clots – try to guess which ones!).
It's sort of like seeing a big 'Coming Soon' sign over a shop that never opens. We're just cynical, is all.
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What am I going to do with all the tiny pins I've been hiding in my purse?
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We're going to have to get soap opera level deviant.
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But digging the condom out of the trash and injecting myself with a turkey baster is already so much work. God damn it.
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We're the perfect test couple! (and no more condoms sounds great!)
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"No baby it's okay, we don't need a condom! I'm on the shot!"
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Edited to add that I'm a guy, and I still don't understand guys who feel this way.
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It's clearly a cultural issue and maybe it's *slowly* changing, but it's not changing nearly fast enough for me.
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At least that would be my hope, hopeless idealist that I am.
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....but, then again, my track record shows I am not that great with making assumptions about what men think.
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I think the attitude is changing--more guys seem to be wisening up and using condoms, for example--but I think we still have a long way to go before men see birth control as THEIR job instead of ours.
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Am I the only women in the world who also hates how condoms feel and sort of understands desperately trying to find an excuse not to use one (although of course I do)?
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Yeah. I find it kind of weird that men not wanting to use condoms when their partner is on birth control is framed by some on this board as not wanting to take responsibility and trying to make it entirely the woman's job.
I honestly feel a lot of men who suggest not using a condom when they know their partner is on birth control, especially younger men, do it out of the honest belief that since they are already using a very efficient form of birth control, and since they can't believe someone they are attracted to and seems nice could have an STD*, that the condom isn't necessary
I don't think it's a case of men being lazy and wanting do dump all the work and responsibility on women.
I see it as a case of them not having many non invasive options, and condoms being gross and annoying, so why wouldn't they select the option that seems both most effective and most pleasurable for both people?
That's why I brought up my personal dislike for them.
*I've read studies that show both men AND women tend to assume people with certain characteristics (physically good looking, good hygiene, nice and honest seeming) are less likely to have STDs) and I think that's a generally true mistake people make when assessing the need for a condom.
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