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FroderickFronkensteen
10/27/09

In reply to Harry Reid Says Senate Healthcare Bill Will Include Public Option
Remember when our teachers in the 3rd grade would make us write to our congressperson? Why the hell does no one advocate that now that states could "opt out"? All it takes is "Dear Congressperson, My name is Froderick. I need health care and you need my vote, so stop screwing around up there. Kisses."

As a rule, Froderick is not an acceptable name if you want to be taken seriously. #senatebillpublicoption
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victoriasauce
10/27/09

In reply to Harry Reid Says Senate Healthcare Bill Will Include Public Option
The state opt out scares me. As a resident of Oklahoma, home of Tom Coburn and outrageous anti-abortion legislation, I'm pretty sure our state would go that route. I'm need healthcare, damn it. It should be for everyone and not those who are lucky enough to live in certain states.
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puglove
10/27/09

@victoriasauce: it scares me too. We are having an election for governor right now in virginia and even the democratic candidate is saying he would consider opting out. I need health care. #senatebillpublicoption
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Triana Orpheus
10/27/09

@victoriasauce: And as a resident of Texas this means I won't have access to a public option, even though my state leads the nation in the number of uninsured people. Yay Governor Good Hair! #senatebillpublicoption
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redqueenmeg
10/27/09

@victoriasauce: I live in FL and I'm thinking they'll probably opt out here just because they aren't really big on giving anyone anything. #senatebillpublicoption
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Sandicomm
10/27/09

@victoriasauce: Even though I hate the idea of the trigger option, or the public option only being for people who really can't afford it (at that point, why not just expand Medicaid?), the trigger would be for the best. Otherwise those people who need the insurance the most in the idiotic Red States are going to suffer unfairly, just because some dumbass politicians thought they were making a point or something. #senatebillpublicoption
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HidingInCanada
10/27/09

@victoriasauce: I feel like it will be a lot harder to opt out of something like this than it will be to opt in. Once ordinary people look at their health insurance bills, and realize that there is something cheaper and less exploitative offered by the government, they raise hell if their representatives try to eliminate choices for them.

At least I hope this is what will happen. #senatebillpublicoption
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Newsgirl
10/27/09

@Triana Orpheus: We're screwed! #senatebillpublicoption
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Bubblies-The-Amazing
10/27/09

@victoriasauce: Amen. I fear that the states who are likely to opt out are the ones with the highest uninsured rates-- especially for children (Mississippi, Florida, the Carolinas, Texas, Utah...).

[www.statehealthfacts.org]

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Blueberry26
10/27/09

@Sandicomm: While I lean this way too, if they go with the trigger option people will still have to wait a considerable amount of time, without insurance, before anything good can come of it. And when the issue is health insurance and access to care, even a month can be too long. #senatebillpublicoption
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Blueberry26
10/27/09

@victoriasauce: My name is blueberry, and I live in Arizona. Although AZ was among the harder hit by the housing bust and can't afford to pay for *anything*, now that our awesome elected governor has been taken away to the land of unicorns and rainbows we will also probably opt out. Because I totally needed another reason to get the hell out of here once I'm done with school. #senatebillpublicoption
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victoriasauce
10/27/09

@HidingInCanada: Heh. You're giving Oklahoma too much credit. I love this place, I've been here my entire life, but the majority are Sarah Palin's brand of crazy. Unfortunately, everyone will suffer because of it.

@amy_b: We're seriously considering a move to Oregon. If OK opts out of public insurance, then my decision is made.

@Bubblies-The-Amazing: Of course! That's what pisses me off. Families are living in poverty, children are uninsured, it's hard as hell to find a job here - but let's side with the Republicans! They know what's best! #senatebillpublicoption
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Her Grace
10/27/09

@puglove: Deeds is better than his opponent only by virtue of being slightly more centrist-leaning-right rather than flat-out right wing. I'm so frustrated with our choices, and I know a lot of people who are staying home just because they really can't tell the difference between their positions. #senatebillpublicoption
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Her Grace
10/27/09

@HidingInCanada: But we're being told we can't switch--it's only for those who are currently without insurance. Those of us with shitty insurance are still stuck. #senatebillpublicoption
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JaneIre
10/27/09

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This could really be helpful to people who are self-employed or who want to start their own businesses. I've seen people stay at a large corporation instead of venturing out on their own mainly because of insurance issues. I wonder what the economic effect of this would be. #senatebillpublicoption
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lilyHaze
10/27/09

@JaneIre: As the daughter of parents who ran their own business, YES! My parents were paying $800/month for the 4 of us for catastrophic insurance with a $5,000 deductible.

Health insurance is also a reason why I chose to stay at the large corporation I am now in instead of going to a smaller company where I could make more money.

Also, what about my brother? His company offers insurance as a benefit, but is insanely expensive! Under this plan, he would not be able to partake of the so-called "public" option. #senatebillpublicoption
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dreamweave
10/27/09

In reply to Harry Reid Says Senate Healthcare Bill Will Include Public Option
Republicans, I dare you to filibuster health care reform. Call me crazy, but I don't think blocking major health care reform in the midst of high unemployment is going to be a winning issue with voters. #senatebillpublicoption
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dreamweave
10/27/09

@dreamweave: and also, pretty please don't make me eat my words. #senatebillpublicoption
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7states
10/27/09

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Wow, is Harry Reid going to come through on this? I did not see that one coming. #senatebillpublicoption
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Triana Orpheus
10/27/09

@7states: Looks like someone took his balls out of the glass case. #senatebillpublicoption
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HidingInCanada
10/27/09

@7states: Yeah, I had my money elsewhere. He was one of the ones that pushed a version of the healthcare bill that didn't have a public option. #senatebillpublicoption
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Miss Scarlett
10/27/09

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I don't even think states should be able to opt-out. How will that be decided? By a state-wide vote? State governor? State legislator? I don't think states should get to decide who is getting health insurance and who does not. #senatebillpublicoption
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ItchykooParker
10/27/09

@Miss Scarlett is made of sugar and spice and everything nice: I agree. No opting out. #senatebillpublicoption
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Shawn-Shawn
10/27/09

@Miss Scarlett is made of sugar and spice and everything nice: In the current proposal, I believe that the method of opting out would be that the state legislature would have to pass a bill that would then be signed by the Governor. #senatebillpublicoption
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morninggloria
10/27/09

In reply to Harry Reid Says Senate Healthcare Bill Will Include Public Option
Yeah, but, do poor people really deserve health care? I say, if they wanted health care so badly, maybe they should have thought twice about being poor.

Also, if we give poor people health care, they'll just go to the doctor all the time and buy like Louis Vuitton brand tonsilectomies and heart valve replacements with expensive rims. This country will go broke.
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stacyinbean
10/27/09

@morninggloria: Mom? #senatebillpublicoption
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judgingamy
10/27/09

@morninggloria: My family didn't come over here to help people who come over here! I work too hard! #senatebillpublicoption
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this_mad_woman
10/27/09

@morninggloria: "I'll often yell at homeless people: 'Hey, how is that homelessness working out for you? Try not being homeless for once.'" #senatebillpublicoption
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Newsgirl
10/27/09

@morninggloria: Nobody deserves health care. It's not explicitly outlined in the Constitution, after all. And really, this is just one big secret plot to turn us into France and force stinky cheese and shorter work weeks down our throats. The next thing you know we'll all be drinking wine and walking and living longer and shit. I want my America back! #senatebillpublicoption
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sportz.star
10/27/09

In reply to Harry Reid Says Senate Healthcare Bill Will Include Public Option
Dear Capitalists in Congress,

Having more healthy people in the country ensures that more people are capable of working, earning money, starting businesses, increasing profits for all existing businesses and driving the consumer economy. The cost of keeping them healthy is a cost of running a functioning capitalist society that values humanity. Get it right.

Best regards,
sportz.star #senatebillpublicoption
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lilbobbytables
10/27/09

@sportz.star: Shush you, with your hoity toity "Logic". There is no place for that malarkey in this discussion! #senatebillpublicoption
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linnyt is a walking cliché
10/27/09

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Get on board GOP - America wants this. You're holding all of us back. #senatebillpublicoption
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ItchykooParker
10/27/09

In reply to Harry Reid Says Senate Healthcare Bill Will Include Public Option
I have said it before and I'll say it again: I, who donated a huge amount to help President Obama become President Obama, will feel completely betrayed if there isn't a STRONG public option for healthcare. Betrayed. #senatebillpublicoption
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ItchykooParker
10/27/09

@ItchykooParker: Ok, I should clarify: huge for me. Which may not be so huge in comparison to other people's huge. #senatebillpublicoption
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lollapulizer
10/27/09

@ItchykooParker: Obama can only encourage Senators to include the public option. If it's not in the bill, and it's not because he refused to sign it due to its presence, then it's not really Obama's fault. #senatebillpublicoption
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ItchykooParker
10/27/09

@lollapulizer: I agree. But he can bring pressure to bear, and I hope he will. He could speak out more strongly and more often in support of a true public option. I hope he will. #senatebillpublicoption
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Trulymadlyme
10/14/09

In reply to The Morning After: Let It Snowe, Let It Snowe, Let It Snowe
It is interesting to see in this increasingly polarized political environment, moderate Republican women have turned into the king maker. I saw the same thing during the O'Connor years on the Supreme Court. Neither Snowe or O'Conner seemed particularly thrilled with being in this position, either.
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Misiula
10/14/09

In reply to The Morning After: Let It Snowe, Let It Snowe, Let It Snowe
Without the public option it all makes no sense. A state that has its citizens' best interests at heart and in mind offers public and, yes, "government-run" universal health insurance.
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Little Green Frog (Wise Latina)
10/14/09

@Misiula: I agree. No public option leaves us with the same options we have now.
The co-ops will not solve the affordability and accessibility issues. They already exists, so if they were a solution they would be working right now. UGH.
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NefariousNewt
10/14/09

In reply to The Morning After: Let It Snowe, Let It Snowe, Let It Snowe
Olympia Snowe is not Brett Favre. She's tough, she's fair, and she's moderate, qualities the Republican Party used to have, before it sold it's soul to the Christian Right.

And for the new folks, let me say again: I thought John McCain should have picked her over Sarah Palin. If he had, it might be President McCain right now, instead of has-been, washed-up, "maverick" McCain.
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BearDownCBears
10/14/09

@NefariousNewt: As with Favre, her team just gets tired of her turning over the ball.
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Misiula
10/14/09

@NefariousNewt: Would you really have wanted that?
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NefariousNewt
10/14/09

@Misiula: Would I have wanted that? No. But the fact is, she would have kicked ass compared to that ball-of-hot-air he went with. Frankly, if she had run for President, I'd have picked Olympia Snowe over John McCain or any of those other Republican pretenders any day of the week.
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NefariousNewt
10/14/09

@BearDownCBears: Yet somehow, she's always there, driving for a touchdown when the game counts.
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whynotshesaid
10/14/09

@NefariousNewt: McCain would have never picked her, because Snowe is a better legislator than he is (at least, IMHO), and people would have looked at that ticket and thought it was upside-down.

With Palin as veep, there was no question about who was more qualified.
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linnyt is a walking cliché
10/14/09

In reply to The Morning After: Let It Snowe, Let It Snowe, Let It Snowe
what's the point of power if you aren't going to use it?
she used her vote to get her something closer to what she wanted, which seems to be the name of the game.
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HidingInCanada
10/14/09

In reply to The Morning After: Let It Snowe, Let It Snowe, Let It Snowe
Somebody explain to me why a 60-vote supermajority Democratic congress is allowing itself to be held hostage to a big pharma Republican who is dead opposed to any kind of public option.

Why do we need her vote? Why does this change anything? The measure would have passed in either way.

Bipartisanship is a worthy goal, but the country has loudly and clearly spoken that they want to move the country in a different direction. It puzzles me that the Democrats are still so determined to compromise on core issues.
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TheGuvnah
10/14/09

@HidingInCanada: Agreed. I support using reconciliation to pass a decent reform bill with 51 senate votes.
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WashingMyHair
10/14/09

@HidingInCanada: Because the White House and Senate leadership (with help of house leaders like Steny Hoyer) don't really want a strong public option, they just want to give the illusion of a fight for one. They don't care how watered down this deal is, just as long as something passes and they can check health care reform off their accomplishment list.

I'm not cynical...really, not at all!
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mommy_dearest
10/14/09

@HidingInCanada: You only have a 60 vote majority when EVERY democrat votes with you. And they haven't said they will. It isn't a given that it will even pass now.
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mommy_dearest
10/14/09

@mommy_dearest: One more thing. There is NO VOTE at all if it doesn't get out of all the committees it has to go through. Snowe's vote got it out of the last committee.
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