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    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    Ugh, Marti Noxon washed up on the shores of Mad Men? She's the one single handledly responsible for Season 6 of Buffy, aka the "fall in love with your rapist" season.
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    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    Feminism? Dirty mags? Diane Keaton? I'm in.
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    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    I wonder if they heard about Rachel Weisz's Erotic Review film?

    But this could be very cool. It's reminding me of that section in Backlash about the way execs killed off Cagney and Lacey for being "too feminist" when women viewers loved it. Maybe the pendulum is swinging back?
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    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    My main hope is that DK's character is confident and nonchalant about sex, instead of adopting the giggly "OMG, sex, I'm old and haven't thought about this in forever!" stance TV always seems to make its older female characters go through. Sexual plotlines for any older woman seem to swirl around breaking a prolonged celibacy with a surprising second wind of carnality. I'd like to see her character as someone who's had regular sex all along and is launching this magazine to cut through the good girl bullshit surrounding women's sex lives.
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    07/30/09

    @Pantra: Isn't that basically the plot behinf that movie she did with Mandy Moore? Let's hope she's gotten that out of her system, because Diane Keaton is too talented to be stucke playing a character who's never had an orgasm.
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    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    Hurumpfh. This does not bode well. And Susie Bright is pissed:

    "There was only ONE. one, sexually explicit feminist sex magazine produced by and for women, and I edited it, from 1984-1991. On Our Backs. And it was vigorously persecuted by Gloria Steinem and every other "feminist icon" out there. I can tell this show is going to drive me right over the edge."
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    Image of Notes from the underwhelmed Notes from the underwhelmed
    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    Diane Keaton + Feminism + Sexually explicit magazine= WIN.
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    Edited by Notes from the underwhelmed at 07/30/09 11:34 AM Notes from the underwhelmed was starred Notes from the underwhelmed was unstarred
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    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    So... the only thing that can re-ignite feminism is... cock?
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    Image of JerseyGrrrl JerseyGrrrl
    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    "a feminist icon who attempts to reignite the movement by starting a sexually explicit magazine for women."

    Good. Yes. Love Diane Keaton. But, right away, without knowing more than this about the show, it disappoints me that feminism could be at a point where a sex magazine is going to "reignite" it. I know there is still progress to be made when it comes to sexual equality.

    But sometimes I think struggles that, in my opinion, are perhaps more worthy (though, apples to oranges, I know) like choice access, equal pay, sex worker and lesbian rights, are being overshadowed by the more titillating (and more appealing to men) issues of sex positivity.

    I guess if this character were instead drawn as a pro-choice activist, it might distance some viewers. And it's markedly less "sexy."

    But I don't know. Anyone else feel disappointed or am I the only lady with the half-empty glass at this party?
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    TheFormerJuneBronson promoted this comment Edited by JerseyGrrrl at 07/30/09 11:11 AM JerseyGrrrl was starred JerseyGrrrl was unstarred
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    07/30/09

    @JerseyGrrrl: Yeah, I agree with you. It isn't helping my weariness with sexy sexy sex in the media. Sex-positivity is getting more than a little shrill. I'd be willing to try it, but I'm not willing to say at this point that it sounds like an unqualified homerun.
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    07/30/09

    @JerseyGrrrl: There is always the hope that all these other issues will be addressed within the confines / along the side of the less controversial story line of sex positivity.
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    07/30/09

    @JerseyGrrrl: But sometimes I think struggles that, in my opinion, are perhaps more worthy (though, apples to oranges, I know) like choice access, equal pay, sex worker and lesbian rights, are being overshadowed by the more titillating (and more appealing to men) issues of sex positivity.

    One graduate communications degree, right here for you if you want it.
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    07/30/09

    @skahammer: For the longest run-on sentence in Jezebel history? I know.... **blushes**

    I get really excited about the importance of these issues. Can you tell?
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    07/30/09

    @JerseyGrrrl: But I was referring to the admirable acuity of your analysis and conclusion.

    Run-ons, what are they?
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    07/30/09

    @JerseyGrrrl: There are only so many jobs available to TV people. If the show focuses on the job, they've got to be a doctor, lawyer or cop. If they need an excuse to wear nice outfits and meet celebs, magazine publishing is up there.
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    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    They should call it Meno-Go!
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    Image of JerseyGrrrl JerseyGrrrl
    07/30/09

    @BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs....: That sounds like a brand of hormone replacement therapy... I'm just imagining the commercial now. A bunch of older ladies in big hats pedaling bikes around a lake in the sun. So happy to have their hormones!
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    Image of schlegs84 schlegs84
    07/30/09

    @JerseyGrrrl: On Saturday nights they do shots of estro-GIN?

    Eh? Eh?
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    07/30/09

    @schlegs84 thinks John Galt can suck it.: @JerseyGrrrl: You are so O-vary right!
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    Image of gaudette gaudette
    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    I am cautiously optimistic. Wherever Marti Noxon goes unnecessary rape of strong female characters follows.
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    Zombie Ms. Skittles promoted this comment gaudette was starred gaudette was unstarred
    Image of Cerridwen Cerridwen
    07/30/09

    @gaudette: Marti Noxon = feminist FAIL. I was so utterly disappointed in the way she completely mangled the show's feminism in the later seasons.
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    07/30/09

    @gaudette:
    hey hey hey, she wasn't the only writer in that room. Do you honestly think Joss would not have had oversight over that? Honestly, I never get all the Marti Noxon hate.
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    07/30/09

    @getitgurl_88: I don't think Joss is blameless at all, no, and there's a whole other post about THAT. But it was definitely more and more her show post-s5. I know for a fact from people who spent time on the Firefly set that he was burnt out as hell on Buffy by that point. And Marti was the one who was out in front defending the BS they were airing, and gushing over her Spike crush.
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    Image of Trulymadlyme Trulymadlyme
    07/30/09

    @mishaps: Exactly. Her work, to date, has been uniformly crappy. As an avid TV watcher, I always find it interesting that she keeps popping up on my favorite shows right around the same exact time said show turns into a hot mess.
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    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    Marti Noxon is also Buffy - which bodes very well.
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    07/30/09

    @mama_t: it really doesn't. I remember watching Buffy and being like, "Why was this episode so crappy? Oh, Marti Noxon wrote it, that's why."
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    07/30/09

    @lucyjae: Yeah, I am actually less inclined to believe this might be a great feminist show due to Noxon's involvement.
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    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    Hopefully she's old enough that the word 'cougar' will not be used AT ALL in the entire show.
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    Image of cuteasabutton cuteasabutton
    07/30/09

    @brinkswomanship: Or Puma.
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    Image of HarpMadness HarpMadness
    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    Actually, this sounds like it could be good, but I do find Marti Noxon's comment a little troubling. I mean, just because her mom was a lesbian, it sounds like she thought she expected her to be one, too, which I kinda doubt was the case ... Plus, I will never forgive Noxon for what she did to Buffy. Never!
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    07/30/09

    @HarpMadness: Seriously. With the exception of her fine singing in Once More With Feeling, Marti Noxon was the worst monster that ever happened upon our Sunnydale.
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    07/30/09

    @HarpMadness: I don't think it was that, exactly. It's always hard to reconcile your parents beliefs with your own- almost moreso sometimes when you essentially agree with most of them and the spirit behind them. For instance, my mom, while not a lesbian, is a bit more second wave than I am. When I was younger, we agreed on everything- but as I got older I eventually had to carve out my own definition of feminism. I think it's just the natural order of things.
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    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    Marti Noxon may have achieved more popular success with Mad Men and Grey's, but she will always be my favorite Buffy writer of all time.
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    07/30/09

    @eclare09: Oh my god...I just realized that I confused Noxon with Jane Espenson. Boo on Noxon. I take it back!!!!!!
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    07/30/09

    @eclare09: Whew. I almost passed out. She did some crazy terrible writing while at Buffy and was pretty involved in some horrid episodes of Grey's.
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    07/30/09

    @eclare09: I am really glad you took that back! She spun that show into a weird dark hole that it never could crawl out of.

    Jane Epenson is however quite fabulous and wonderful and if this were an article about her writing the show, I'd be far more interested.
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    07/30/09

    @merely_a_muse: I know. I'm sort of horrified at myself.
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    07/30/09

    @eclare09:

    Yeah. My first thought was not, oooh neat it was: NOXON? BOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    Ick. My hate of that lady knows no bounds.

    She's a hack. A hackity, hack, hack, horrible no good excuse for a writer.
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    07/30/09

    In reply to HBO Gets More Lady-Friendly With Feminist Fare
    I need to get HBO. More shows about women, feminism, sex, older women, and older women feminist sex, PLZ.
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    Image of schlegs84 schlegs84
    07/30/09

    @greengrey: Did we learn NOTHING from Golden Girls? I don't understand why we have no equivilant now a days. Confession: I am one of the hipster masses w/o a TV so is there a great show about sassy older ladies and their loves and lives that I'm missing?
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