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11/28/09
The whole purity club thing could have been a sharp satire, but instead they did "look how slutty and evil the purity club girls are! and the boys only join to be near girls!" They even skipped contrasting the popular kids who join because they feel they have to with a few geeky true believers.
I am sure that lots of Christian parents would kick their kids out over a pregnancy, but I also saw a lot of commentary on Bristol Palin about how other evangelical families had dealt with teen pregnancy in a loving way. I think the pastor is making the mistake if that is what he is focusing on, but Glee sure as hell isn't a documentary.
11/29/09
I viewed the way the abstinence club separated boys and girls, and that they got different messages out of the club, as the show's way of exposing how sexist the "purity" propaganda is and how, despite the movement's more recent attempts to cover their tracks by aiming it at boys too, the message is so clearly directed only at women. And I didn't interpret the scene with the girls as portraying them to be sluts, but showing how absurd the purity propaganda is because kids still want sex and are just going to find alternate ways to express their desires if they can't have penis-vagina sex. Especially when combined with what Rachel says at the end.
As you point out, Glee isn't intended to be a documentary, and I think their stereotypes are played in a way that shows they're not to be taken seriously.
11/28/09
But I don't think it's particularly anti-Christian.
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Gosh, those Christians are all such jerks!
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It saddens me that people are tossing out claims against the show when people haven't even seen an episode. The most I can remember the show talking about faith is actually in the character of Puck who questioned his own JEWISH beliefs when his mother asked him to date a nice Jewish girl, and thus he began to see Rachel in a new light. Here being Jewish is still just "Characteristics" of Puck and Rachel because we so many other sides of them. Whether or not someone wants to construe and take away different meanings is of course up to the audience, but the same could be said about the Bible.
In conclusion, I really love this show.
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Oh wait, it is. A very true theme, and one that's causing a very high rate of teen pregnancy and teen abortion. A rate not seen in countries where there are high rates of professive Christians, Agnostics, Hindi, Jews, etc, etc.
Teen pregnancy is the USA isn't because of of fundie USA Christians, but they certainly play a part in the high rate. But only a part.
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Regardless, I think we can handle those issues without reverting to stereotypes.
11/27/09
Patriarchal standards of virginal purity sure are though.
11/27/09
Also, it obviously matters more if it's conservative evangelicals being mocked. They're just so persecuted donchaknow.
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#stfuchristians
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And yeah, I know about the Greek "X" but that's not how you're using it.
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It's funny that it bothers you.
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Everytime I hear a xtian whine about oppression/discrimination/disrespect, I'm tempted to feed them to a lion.
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It's funny that you're provocative until you're called on it.
11/27/09
Substitute in Jews, Muslims, Mormons, Atheists for your Christians lion food and you'd be excoriated as a bigot.
I don't think Christians are being oppressed, that's silliness. But I also don't see the point in being ignorant and rude over someone's religion, or lack thereof.
But hey, you're just trying to be brief right?
11/27/09
It's shorthand, get the fuck over it. If you're looking to be offended, just let me know. Trust me honey, you'll know if I'm TRYING to offend xtians, and for once, this wasn't one of those times. I suggest you not be so easily offended by shorthand.
#stfuchristians
#cheesewithwhine
11/27/09
I don't see the point in getting ass hurt over an abbreviation and whining about it, but hey, you're just LOOKING for an argument, right?
#stfuchristians
11/27/09
And tossing in the "you'll know when I'm trying to offend Christians" line just means you're peddling cheap provocation and pre-packaged resentment.
Sweeping statements about people based on their religious beliefs is offensive and trite. Would #STFUJEWS or #STFUATHEISTS be a funny tag?
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See the parallel?
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Yeah...some people aren't educated and don't know what "privilege" is. Shame.
11/27/09
@moifauxmail: Where did I make sweeping statements?
If I wanted to offend you, I'd tell you to suck the imaginary dick of your imaginary god, but I have manners, so I don't say things like that.
I didn't make any sweeping statements. You're getting offended by shorthand, decided to be RUDE about me using shorthand, and now you're offended that I was rude in response? Really? Buy a fucking clue.
Also, you can't switch religions out for each other. Doesn't work that way. Look up "privilege" then come back.
Man, and they claim you can buy educations these days...
11/27/09
...but that Graphic is a beautiful thing. And it will come into so much use as Christmas(Xmas, which is not sarcasm, it's just easier that way) approaches!Or when I'm in the DMV and staring blankly at a generic Happy Holidays! sign and suddenly being ranted at by the lady next to me about the watering down of Christmas by the forces of evil (or something) and how horrible it all is. Like last year. I wish I had that on a T-shirt. It's like any vocal minority of a much larger and powerful majority - of course it's a massive generalization, but little but feelings are hurt.
Also, Glee: Ryan Murphy is a proud shitster. Both Nip/Tuck and Glee make that clear. Getting upset about anything he does is playing right into his hands.
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First it's shorthand, then it's cracks about lions now it's your imaginary god can suck my dick. What next, an all caps quotation from "The God Delusion". I'd suggest the bit about the God of the Old Testament being psychotic, that one never gets old and looks swank on a t-shirt.
I can switch religions out for each other because any statement as intolerant and generally pig-headed as yours have escalated to in this thread say alot more about your intolerance than any non-specific Christians out there. Find yourself a new straw man.
Here's the kicker, I'm not a Christian myself. Yes, it's possible to not believe in a religion and still show people common decency and respect rather than mouth off like every other 14 year old with a keyboard.
11/28/09
For what it's worth, if Jews and atheists whined as much as Christians do about imagined offenses and illusory persecution, I'd tell them to STFU as well.
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But, really, it doesn't. I've given up on trying to explain that to some members of my family and just write "Christmas" every time.
It really isn't part of the Liberal Anti-God Army's plot to secularize away Christ and goodness. Seriously.
11/29/09
I get your desire not to slam religions (though Christians are now something of a political and demographic majority, so the language can get confused), but there's a gulf between live-and-let-live and the sort of pedestal you're trying to establish. You're affording religion a sort of reverence that is not necessarily shared by the rest of the population.
Monitoring things like "xtian", which has at least a debatable definition, is not really going to help your cause. Similarly, I do not react well when strangers death-stare me for saying "Oh, god!" in irritation -- one person's blasphemy is another person's stubbed toe.
But hey, I'm an atheist. They're all god-botherers to me.
11/27/09
The entire Gleenaverse is filled with weirdos and hypocrites. That's the point of the show. Having one bad Christian family does not make a show anti-Christian. For all we know, Finn's awesome mom or Kurt's understanding dad could be Christian, too. Ohio is about 76% Christian, so odds are good that Quinn is not actually the only Christian, just the only one whose religion has been relevant to a plot point.
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